I've been ITCHING to do X/Molly....thanks for this

[swedger77]

Ha ha no surprise that I have a different view. I actaully think Folleys contribution has improved since becoming a MOD. Although I hate to see threads closed for "NO HR value here", before anyone has the opportunity to provide HR advise.

Quite honestly though judging by some of the abuse above from Swedger directed at me I suspect a lot of it is boredom and deep down an element of sadistic fun is had by tormenting sufferers in this way.

Boredom through reading the same type of post, not just by yourself. Have a look of the ED Archive and you can see how the forum has changed over the years. 5-10 years ago there was not the volume of "Long Term Comedown" threads.

I take no pleasure in your predicament, but I still think there is an element of people reading these bluelight horror stories and applying them to a normal comedown. This worrying/anxiety is perpetual.

Being very experienced with MDMA Id like to share HR advise, which included chilling out and not stressing about feeling shit on a comedown.

 

[Maya]

I was going to post something as well about the treatment for longtime sufferrers but yakiniku and futura covered everything. It is good to know that I'm not the only one who notices ARROGANT and INSENSITIVE comments. I was even called an IDIOT because of wanting to have a different symptom rather than the one I have which had made me suffer intensely for months. I was also ACCUSED of making fun of other people who had suffered or are suffering from depression when clearly is was not my intention. I've been nothing but compassionate to other Bl'ers who are also suffering from longterm comedowns and I believe that you guys can back this up. So to be accused of insulting depression is just below the belt when all I have mostly done was to help fellow sufferers.

 

[futura2012]

I actaully think Folleys contribution has improved since becoming a MOD.

I definitely disagree with this. I have spent many hours in debate with Folley prior to this change and things were definitely better then. Being totally ignored by PM is a sign of how my relationship with Folley has deteriated.

Hes certainly contributed nicely to the large Us vs Them vibe that has started here on BL ED.

If we are going to complain about issues with the forum then I dont think it is the depressing vibe on here but more how the forum has fractured into two seperate fraternaties. Where by sufferers are being hounded in support forums being called kids/uneducated etc. At the same time we are having support threads deleted cause the mod has taken a dislike to the persons question or corrupted surveys to prove personal views.

Boredom through reading the same type of post, not just by yourself. Have a look of the ED Archive and you can see how the forum has changed over the years. 5-10 years ago there was not the volume of "Long Term Comedown" threads.

To me a support thread (that you seem to hate and despise so much) has a fairly obvious title. Surely if you detest these threads so much then simply dont read them.

It still confuses me exactly why you are even in an HR forum complaining about how support threads bore you so much but I guess this will remain a mistery.

Im not sure exactly what is so lacking from 5 years ago but why not focus your efforts on starting some "mdma positive" threads rather than attacking myself and others in a similiar boat.

I take no pleasure in your predicament, but I still think there is an element of people reading these bluelight horror stories and applying them to a normal comedown. This worrying/anxiety is perpetual.

Oh I see now. So rather than mocking people you are infact protecting them from possibley getting unnecessary worrey or anxiety!! What a load of self rightous bullshit if I ever heard it.

You make comments like this forum should be renamed "Ecstasy Damage Discussion" then claim you are protecting sufferers from unnecessary worrey or anxiety. Do you really think people are that stupid to beleive this bollocks?

Being very experienced with MDMA Id like to share HR advise, which included chilling out and not stressing about feeling shit on a comedown.

Sounds like you need to start a "Im Rollin ballz" type thread afterall because thats the kind of level this shallow advice would apply to. Tuesday blues is a whole different animal than a long term comedown.

Just because you are experienced at consuming vast quantities of MDMA doesnt make you experienced at supporting those who are having this type of traumatic experience.

Instead mocking people who are suffering seems to be your idea of a solution.

Judging by the increasing number of posts from people complaining of physical/psychological issues, maybe BL should have a mod specifically for mdma-damage related posts.

Not a bad idea.

 

[swedger77]

Its all about balance. This forum is not giving a balanced view of consuming MDMA due to the disproportionate volume of negative horror stories contained in individual threads.

I mean if 100 people took MDMA and everyone posted their effects we would not have the imbalance of negative experience stories that have been gathering here in recent times. Id love to know why this pattern is happening when it was not like this year ago?

If a first timer came on here looking for HR advise they would end up with the fear. I guess this could be seen as HR at its best as the individual may be put off taking drugs altogether. - just like the OP.

The Rollin' Ballz phrase is not one I'd personally use as Im from the UK.

There possibly should be a EDD (Ecstasy Damage Discussion) forum seeing as we're not going to mega-thread all the same threads into one, and you would be the perfect Moderator in that realm.

For the record I ve never suggested your uneducated or a child.

 

[futura2012]

Its all about balance. This forum is not giving a balanced view of consuming MDMA due to the disproportionate volume of negative horror stories contained in individual threads.

First you were complaing about boredom now you have switched to an issue with proportionate representation.

Below a snapshot of Thread Titles from page 1 of the forum as it stands:

Out of this massive list I have highlighted 7 threads that would appear to fall into your category for your bully boy fix it solution. As they are Sufferer threads not "Horror Stories" as you keep labelling them.

Now from where I am looking that looks like a perfectly normal range of questions for a HARM REDUCTION forum. Its certainly not the Scaremongering as you seem to want to protect everyone from.

You seem to be confusing an MDMA Harm Reduction Forum with your own needs of an MDMA user forum.

Sticky Thread Sticky: Support Bluelight! Donations Portal information
Sticky Thread Sticky: My experience with MDMA / Ecstasy !
Sticky Thread Sticky: Six Simple Rules... To MDMA
Sticky Thread Sticky: (UNOFFICIAL) Ecstasy Discussion Chat - We've moved!! - Instructions on the first page
Sticky Thread Sticky: [Mega] The "Mega Thread" Mega thread (check these links before posting a question)
Sticky Thread Sticky: The DIRECTORY. GOT A QUESTION? LOOK HERE FIRST.
Started by MazDan, 08-04-2007 10:30
Sticky Thread Sticky: Pill Identifications and Information. (PILL ID IS NOT ALLOWED IN ECSTASY DISCUSSION)
I've been ITCHING to do X/Molly....thanks for this
Before you jump on my case...
MDMA interaction with common pharmaceuticals/prescriptions
4 month break
Go to first new post The Cuddle Puddle vers. The Black Knight has fallen..
Thank god this forum didn't look like this 15 years ago
How many pills have you taken?
Get the most out of the roll.
1 not enough but 2 too much?
Poll: How has MDMA affected you? Good, or bad?
MDMA tonight, tram after 6 days?
[MEGA] Cathinone Subthread - Methylone, ethylone, pentylone... Chemical alphabet soup
mdma and mri and personality change
Go to first new post [Mega] Opioids (codeine, hydrocodone, oxycodone, heroin, etc.) and Ecstasy
Moved: Combining opiates and MDMA
MDMA not lasting very long. Weird comedown
Could MDMA have damaged serotonin receptors?
MDMA Visuals
My story X
IVing MDMA
Go to first new post Molly makes me sleepy?
First time MDMA - Comedown/weirdness bothering me. ****
Touching pets while rolling
Too anyone who is having these symptoms ****
Go to first new post The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 5)
MDMA Superlabs with Pictures (Follow on from Posters to make you stop taking E)
a hospital trip after a night of raving...but i want to rave [sober] again! help? ****
is this doable?
MDMA causing Multiple Sclerosis
How long does it take at MOST for serotonin to regenerate?
longterm comedown - digestive problems? ****
Unhappy Somebody help me out here ****
MDMA questions
Want to try Molly
Im thinking my adderal increases my anxiety on MDMA?
MDMA abuse/ Long term comedown - the Cognitive aspect ****
Friend did MDMA 3 weeks ago. Still suffers from insomnia and panic attacks ****
Strange marquis reaction
[Mega] Harm protection supplements
help with molly

I mean if 100 people took MDMA and everyone posted their effects we would not have the imbalance of negative experience stories that have been gathering here in recent times. Id love to know why this pattern is happening when it was not like this year ago?

As now repeated ad norseam. Harm reduction will contain a list of questions with reference to MDMA and health care. This never will be a massive list of "Wow look at me I just took MDMA got laid and had the best time of my life" type posts.

Look at the list above I really think in your quest to bully people you have blown the concept of "Horror Stories" out of proportion.

The forum is a constantly evolving thing its never going to be the same from one week to the next.

If a first timer came on here looking for HR advise they would end up with the fear. I guess this could be seen as HR at its best as the individual may be put off taking drugs altogether. - just like the OP.

Well I think assuming what others think and feel is rather limited. No one here is saying dont take drugs just be cautious thats all.

It is an insult to someones intelligence to think if they read something they will apply it to themselves in this simplistic manor.

The Rollin' Ballz phrase is not one I'd personally use as Im from the UK.

Rather hair splitting but "I was Pilled Up and off my Tits" if we need to translate the slang. happy?

There possibly should be a EDD (Ecstasy Damage Discussion) forum seeing as we're not going to mega-thread all the same threads into one, and you would be the perfect Moderator in that realm.

I think that would be the last thing we need a sub forum of another. Why not suggest that in the opiate or stimulant forums anyone with problems has to be secluded.

I mean I get it you dont like support threads this is pretty clear. Just stay away from them is it that difficult?

 

[swedger77]

Bully? WTF.

I like support threads. I like giving good HR advice. Im a bit out of suggestions for people in your situation where nothing seems to improve the situation other than time........which is also part of my HR advice portfolio......

Well I think assuming what others think and feel is rather limited. No one here is saying dont take drugs just be cautious thats all.

It is an insult to someones intelligence to think if they read something they will apply it to themselves in this simplistic manor.

Clearly this IS NOT the case.

The OP in this very thread said:-

Until I read this....I wanted X in a bad way....


I have a friend that went through the serotonin drop, depression....that didn't deter me at all...Reading all this, has. Not worth it. I don't want the depression. Thanks BL members.

Moving onwards we clearly have different ideas about most aspects of MDMA.

Educate me in what is needed for long term comedown sufferers. Diet, supplements, exersize......none of these normal fixes are working for the afflicted. You have also tried anti-depressants.

What is the best advice?

 

[futura2012]

Bully? WTF.

I like support threads.

So youve gone from Support threads to causing you Boredom to feeling they cause Disproportional Representation to now actually Liking Support Threads.

To quote your own words WTF is about the level of it.

Quoting things like

this forum should be renamed "Ecstasy Damage Discussion"

I'll not mention again that your covering the same ground although I guarantee you'll pop up in a dozen other threads that i'll read. I can only imagine you'll tire of discussing the same topic. I very much doubt Im the only one reading ED that shares my boredom of your repetition.

These are blatent attempts to bully people. Its certainly not going to help or comfort anyone thats for sure.

Clearly this IS NOT the case.

The OP in this very thread said:-

One person has said they dont wish to take drugs I dont this represents everyone. He may well have read some of the suffering and decided that despite the small risk its not worth it. That is his own personal choice and no one can say thats right or wrong.

Most people are intelligent enough to not just take everything at face value and use the information presentated to make their own decisions.

Educate me in what is needed for long term comedown sufferers. Diet, supplements, exersize......none of these normal fixes are working for the afflicted. You have also tried anti-depressants.

What is the best advice?

Sympathy
Reassurance
Contact Information (ie skype info)
Advice about doctors
Sleep Information
Sharing of Symptoms
Comparing of Consultations
Links to Anxiety and Pharmacology Publications
Sharing of Videos
Links to medical journals,
Chemistry Information

The list is endless. This is just a small sample of what we talk about.

Hence why its so irritating when some bozo comes onto a support thread (who clearly has never experienced a long term comedown) spends a couple of paragraphs educating us about how MDMA could not possibley be the culprit and either calling the OP stupid or if were really lucky theyll spout something along the level of what you have just said:

ie eat well, get some exercise take an Omega 3 everyday and youll be fine. Its all in your head.

If we didnt stand up to this BS everything would have been grouped in one thread cause according to the likes of yourself and Folley all the suffering advice is the same.

If only it were this simple..

 

[swedger77]

I was under the impression Folley had suffered a long term comedown? Yes/No?

What is your theory on why these "long term comedowns" are only recently being identified. MDMA has been abused heavily since 1989 in the UK an I have been internet savvy since 1998 but these "long term comedown" occurrences appear to me to be a relevant recent phenomenon. Perhaps (wrongly, no doubt) co-coinciding with the dramatic increasing unknown RCs/bathsalts.

i have never tried to bully you so stop playing the victim in this. Forum banter and a difference of opinion and nothing more.

 

[swedger77]

This might be a better place to discuss all of your list:-

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forums/270-Mental-Health

Have a look through the threads, lots of help and advice especially with regards anxiety, depersonalisation, anti-depressants etc etc

 

[futura2012]

I was under the impression Folley had suffered a long term comedown? Yes/No?

I cant really speak for him but as I understand it he has suffered from some type of issues yes. To what extent I dont know.

What is your theory on why these "long term comedowns" are only recently being identified. MDMA has been abused heavily since 1989 in the UK an I have been internet savvy since 1998 but these "long term comedown" occurrences appear to me to be a relevant recent phenomenon. Perhaps (wrongly, no doubt) co-coinciding with the dramatic increasing unknown RCs/bathsalts.

I think your right in highlighting the rise in RCs. Also the dips in MDMA precursors from time to time. The American E scene as a whole. I guess also many of us have been caning drugs since the 90s so that starts to catch up on you. Easier availability of pills presses is a big factor. Dosage of pills particularly in UK and Europe has been on the rise for the past few years.

Forum banter and a difference of opinion and nothing more.

Okay point taken.