4-aco-dmt has a delayed onset via that ROA in your experience? Certainly not in mine - in many ways the onset when I tried this was just as fast as DMT (and very similar in almost all aspects of a breakthrough dose of vaped dmt - just much longer lasting).^Sounds a bit like the onset profile of IV 4-AcO-DMT, just with far less material by weight. We need to find a serotonergic psychedelic that crosses the blood brain barrier as fast as DMT with a different efficacy profile. That could be really interesting.
4-aco-dmt (...) in many ways the onset when I tried this was just as fast as DMT (and very similar in almost all aspects of a breakthrough dose of vaped dmt - just much longer lasting).
Really??? I can see 5-MEO-DMT being very similar to nn-DMT, but 4-ACO-DMT haas such differnt effects and feel to 5-MEO-DMT (havn't tried nn-DMT) that i can't imagine having at all a same "breackthrough" type trip whatever ROA you choose... it would be more like a shroom "breackthrough" type experince and feel, i would have thought.
No, from what I've read IV 4-AcO-DMT comes on extremely fast, providing something approximating a DMT experience. I've not done it myself. I was probably referencing a prominent discussion in PD at the time when I wrote that.4-aco-dmt has a delayed onset via that ROA in your experience? Certainly not in mine - in many ways the onset when I tried this was just as fast as DMT (and very similar in almost all aspects of a breakthrough dose of vaped dmt - just much longer lasting).
I cannot be sure that it had not degraded to 4-ho-dmt or something similar. Now that I think about it, other experiments with more recently acquired (at the time) had completely different - and underwhelming - effects.
I've only tried 25cNBOMe once (via liquid insufflation) and wasnt sure what I thought of it, or whether I would bother with it again. I also have some 25i - and am similarly ambivalent.
But I think my days of iv hallucinogen experimentation are over; at least 4-sub tryptamines feel relatively safe, in terms of toxicity. Taking 25xNBOMe seems risky enough without throwing yourself even further into the deep end.
I would be interested to hear other perspectives, but the risk:reward ratio seems a little off to me. But it does seem that some trippers love (one or more) of these chems.
5-MeO-DMT is way different from DMT, a totally different drug, not just more potent. I find even oral 4-AcO-DMT to be very similar to smoked DMT in effects, and very dissimilar from mushrooms/4-HO-DMT.
Shit i was probably thinking 4-HO-DMT, instead of 4-ACO.....5-MeO-DMT is way different from DMT, a totally different drug, not just more potent. I find even oral 4-AcO-DMT to be very similar to smoked DMT in effects, and very dissimilar from mushrooms/4-HO-DMT.
Crazy!I see from the post you're replying to that it has been exactly two years since I last posted in this thread (and I've not been reading all that many threads lately).Synchronicity man. SYNCHRONICITY!
Really??? I can see 5-MEO-DMT being very similar to nn-DMT, but 4-ACO-DMT haas such differnt effects and feel to 5-MEO-DMT (havn't tried nn-DMT) that i can't imagine having at all a same "breackthrough" type trip whatever ROA you choose... it would be more like a shroom "breackthrough" type experince and feel, i would have thought.
Pretty indistinguishable from dmt, actually.
...which is pretty different to 5-meo-dmt (vaped, I mean).
^^not to derail thread, but 4-ACO has IME shroom or shroom analogue (ehtocin, metocin etc.) similarity in effects, nothing like 5-MEO which is IME and from what i've read, very similar to nn- simply more potent per mg.
If you start a thread about your 4-ACO experience, (which i'm not putting back into question) i'll be happy to argue more lol , or maybe i'll just try vaping some 4-ACO and make my own mind up lol....
PEace
5-MeO-DMT is way different from DMT, a totally different drug, not just more potent. I find even oral 4-AcO-DMT to be very similar to smoked DMT in effects, and very dissimilar from mushrooms/4-HO-DMT.
No, from what I've read IV 4-AcO-DMT comes on extremely fast, providing something approximating a DMT experience. I've not done it myself. I was probably referencing a prominent discussion in PD at the time when I wrote that.
I see from the post you're replying to that it has been exactly two years since I last posted in this thread (and I've not been reading all that many threads lately).Synchronicity man. SYNCHRONICITY!
Xorkoth I have yet to try DMT what is it about 4 aco that's so different from mushrooms. In fact on the contrary Im always hearing people say just how similar 4-aco is to 4-ho-dmt
Shit i was probably thinking 4-HO-DMT, instead of 4-ACO.....
Sorry OP we've really derailled this thread... tried 4-ACO before but between all the RC's, it definately marked me as a very pleasant one, but i can't remember the trip (hence the doubt).... will be trying 4-ACO again mid-end september.
And yes i'm sure 5-MEO is deifferent, but from what i remember reading on erowid/wiki, there were comparisons with NN- stating various similarities, (again, i should check erowid/wxiki first before posting, but no time etm....)
Crazy!
I didnt even notice the date stamp. Synchronicity indeed!!