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IV Morphine dose/Questions about IV use

Kronos

Kronos

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I have some 50mg/2ml morphine sulfate vials, and i was wondering what dose would be enough for a decent nod, and at what point the dosage would start getting dangerous.

I know this varies from person to person, but i don't have much opiate tolerance. Occasional H user and of other opiates, but havnt used any for a while. 60mg OC snorted and 120mg morphine oral combined with a large doses of benzos was enough to put me into a hell of a nod, but this was a long time ago, and stupidly dangerous, this time i'll be using the morphine on its own after a long period of no opiate use, and i'll stay off benzos several days before using the morphine to make sure its out of my system.
I hope this is enough information for an experienced opiate user to make an educated guess at what dose to use

I'm also new to IV use, and was wondering if a 26g 3ml syringe would be fine/ideal for this. The veins on my arm are in good shape. afaik you inject away from the hand, and i'll be using the thickest vein by my elbow so as not to miss the shot. Also, as far as i know, there's no need with morphine to inject extra slowly or anything like that. Can anyone confirm this? And should i expect some 'pins and needles' effect when injecting with morphine? (remember readign that somewhere)
And any other basic IV safety information (of course i'll do alot more reading on it before i actually inject) would be appreciated also :).

And please, i'm only after responses in the HR, asin telling me what dose to use. No replys about not IVing please, i've thought this over carefully for a long time and although it may end up a bad idea in the long run, i wont have access to sterile morphine (or any other opiate) vials again, and i'll be trying this regardless. Famous last words or not, this is a one off.

Thanks in advance (if this is more suited in OD, feel free to move)
 
Let's see here - you have a vial of morphine sulfate 50 mg/2ml, you "don't have much opiate tolerance" (quoting you), you haven't used opioids for a long time, and you are new to IV use.

Morphine is essentially heroin, just FYI. It's an highly potent narcotic through the IV route (it's active at doses as low as 2 mg) and it has a very high incidence of side effects compared to most other potent IV opioids like hydromorphone, oxymorphone, etc (higher respiratory depression, more nausea, more euphoria, more sedation, more histamine-related reactions, and more constipation aswell).

Personally, I don't think you should mess with this vial of morphine. My personal suggestion to you is to sell it (a lot of opiate addicts would do anything for a vial of morphine all ready for injection) and get yourself something more suitable for your tolerance (something like hydrocodone or oxycodone).
 
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Would taking a antihistamine with it help with the itching/nausea without adding to the risk? I understand you're opinion and i'm grateful for it, but i'm really after harm reduction advice other than 'don't do it'.
 
That's the best harm reduction advice I can give you - not to do it.
You haven't done opioids in a long time, your tolerance is low, and the vial is 50mg/2ml. That's just way too high of a dose. I don't see how you can do it safely. Maybe someone else has an idea of how you can do this safely, but I just don't see it.

Antihistamines will reduce the histamine-related effects, of course (for any opioids). But I advice against doing this vial. I know you hate my advice, but bluelight is all about harm reduction and I just don't see how you can inject a safe dose out of that vial with your tolerance and the fact that you haven't done opioids in a long time and the fact that you are totally new to IV use.

IV morphine is active at 2 mg, so this is a potent narcotic.

Sorry.
 
yea a vial of morphine like that is a hell of a find. i think it would be easier to answer if you gave more history of your use and what your opiate tolerance is like. if you have taken 120mgs of morphine orally, plus 60mg of oc to catch a strong nod then you can def use the morphine safely....just not all of it at once.

so is the vial 25mg/1ml X 2ml? if so iwhat i would probably do is get a 1cc 28ga or even 31ga and fill it with .8 units which would be around 20mg and inject it slow. 20mgs iv isnt a huge dose 5-10mgs is a standard dose for pain so factoring in your toleranceid say 20 would be enough for you to feel it at least. and if not you can always do a littlre more. i would just do as much research as you can before you jump in.

and really if you have never used a needle i would really think long and hard about what you would be getting into. its a slipery slope.
 
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yea a vial of morphine like that is a hell of a find. i think it would be easier to answer if you gave more history of your use and what your opiate tolerance is like. if you have taken 120mgs of morphine orally, plus 60mg of oc to catch a strong nod then you can def use the morphine safely....just not all of it at once.

so is the vial 25mg/1ml X 2ml? if so iwhat i would probably do is get a 1cc 28ga or even 31ga and fill it with .8 units which would be around 20mg and inject it slow. 20mgs iv isnt a huge dose 5-10mgs is a standard dose for pain so factoring in your toleranceid say 20 would be enough for you to feel it at least. and if not you can always do a littlre more. i would just do as much research as you can before you jump in.

and really if you have never used a needle i would really think long and hard about what you would be getting into. its a slipery slope.
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This is unsafe advice. His opiate tolerance is low, he hasn't used an opioid in a long time, and he's never IV'd before. The vial is 50 mg/2ml, which is an extremely high dose.

Morphine is an highly potent drug, especially through the IV route. It's active at doses as low as 2 mg through the IV route.
 
kokaino said:
That's the best harm reduction advice I can give you - not to do it.
You haven't done opioids in a long time, your tolerance is low, and the vial is 50mg/2ml. That's just way too high of a dose. I don't see how you can do it safely. Maybe someone else has an idea of how you can do this safely, but I just don't see it.

Antihistamines will reduce the histamine-related effects, of course (for any opioids). But I advice against doing this vial. I know you hate my advice, but bluelight is all about harm reduction and I just don't see how you can inject a safe dose out of that vial with your tolerance and the fact that you haven't done opioids in a long time and the fact that you are totally new to IV use.

IV morphine is active at 2 mg, so this is a potent narcotic.

Sorry.
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There's a difference between what dose it is active at and what dose is recreational though. Say, for example, a dose of 15-20mg would be a good dose for the effect's i'm looking for, it would hardly be difficult to measure that out of the vial, especially with a 3ml syringe.
I'm not saying by any means that i'm going to bang the whole vial without any info, that would be stupid. But i am looking for a dose estimate from experienced users.

I know, for example, that in hospital they use 5-10mg shots for severe pain with opiate naive people, and occasionally as much as 20mg, so i doubt this dose would be fatal or even particularly dangerous. But theres not much information about IV morphine for recreational use

And of course i get that its not risk-free, and the only way to eliminate all risk is not to do it, but i'm looking to reduce risks by advice from experienced users..

But thanks, i see where you're coming from and i appreciate your concern.
 
kokaino said:
This is unsafe advice. His opiate tolerance is low, he hasn't used an opioid in a long time, and he's never IV'd before. The vial is 50 mg/2ml, which is an extremely high dose.

Morphine is an highly potent drug, especially through the IV route. It's active at doses as low as 2 mg through the IV route.
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sure it's unsafe. the OP is asking about shooting morphine to get high. it soumnds like he is pretty set on doing it, and why not at least give an answer of how he could safely do it. And that is also why i said he should provide more info on his habit. being able to do 120mgs of morphine and 60mg of oxy and a bunch of benzos means at some point he had a pretty high tolerance. and yeah, IVing 50mgs of morphine in one shot would be WAY too much.

I have shot my fair share of morphine, matter of fact it was the first thing i ever IV'd, so i am just givng my personal opinion and experience.
 
My previous use has been heroin, smoked/snorted maybe 10 times in total. Decent quality stuff, unfortunately its harder to gauge tolerance with h as with pharm opiates, which i have less experience with. I'd use about 40mg oxy to get a buzz, but i've mostly used subutex in the doses 1-4mg, around 25-35 times. Never really go for a nod, which is why i've used low doses in the past, but as i've got this opportunity i'm gonna take it.

Havnt used any 'hard' opiates in at least half a year, and the heroin for a good year. I've used poppy pod tea several times in doses of around 30g (i think they were weak pods though). And i've used tramadol alot for (mainly) back pain in the last few months.

Opiates have never been my DOC, i've never craved them, and i've never had a 'habit' so to speak, i just occasionally use for fun. And maybe i'll look back and regret doing this in 10 years time, maybe i'm being an idiot, but i know i'll be trying it anyway, as i doubt i'll ever get morphine vials again and if i'm gonna do it i want to do it as safely as possible.

Yeah, the vials are 2ml, 25mg/ml making 50mg total. And yeah i have thought long and hard about going down the IV route, i know the risks, and i know it could be a start of a slippery slope, but not everyone gets addicted to the needle, especially as a one off use, and thats not what this threads about.

Cheers for the advice so far :)
 
Although I have advised against doing it, but if you are gung ho on doing it then try to somehow get 10 mg in a syringe and try it. I don't know how you will be able to do that from a 25 mg/ml vial, but maybe someone with more experience with vials like these can come and give you more sound advice.

10 mg should be the starting dose, though.
 
I IV morphine daily. A good start point is 15mg. Yes you will get the pins and needles sensation. Considering u haven't injected morphine before start with 15mg so you can see exactly what this feels like. Anything higher than that the pins and needle rush may hurt you. I IV the 15mg morphine ir pills. I can do 4 of them at once. I started with 15mg. You don't want to go higher than that especially ur first time until you know its effects on you. You can always redose in an hour or so. I can't emphasize enough to not go over 15-20mg the first time. Do half an ml. That's 12.5mg. A perfect starting point! I had a pretty high tolerance when I started this and 15mg was perfect. I only say don't go higher until you know how the morphine rush feels. It's unlike any other rush. Using an antihistamine such as benedryl a half hour or so before injecting helps with the pins and needles feeling. I don't use one bc I really like the feeling/rush. I've been injecting it for about 8 months now and only do 45mg at a time. It's perfect for me and my tolerance.
I hope this info helps you. If you have any other questions let me know. I'm very experienced with morphine and injecting it.
Also be sure to follow proper and safe injecting techniques.
Enjoy!!!
 
What i'm looking for is to experience the rush, with just 1 shot. And is the pins and needles effect the same as regular pins and needles? At the minute i'm thinking 15mg in a shot. But like i say i only want to do 1 shot and i dont want to be left underwhelmed, i only wanna do this once, i only wanna inject once, and get the full experience out of that one shot. Is this possible without it being too risky?

Also, do antihistamines reduce the nausea? Havnt puked from opis for a long time but after such a long break its a strong possibily. If not can anyone recommend anything for the nausea? Dont wanna shoot then puke! and is benadryl the best antihistamine thats otc?

Cheers for the info lmc, really appreciated :)
 
Also, do antihistamines reduce the nausea? Havnt puked from opis for a long time but after such a long break its a strong possibily. If not can anyone recommend anything for the nausea? Dont wanna shoot then puke! and is benadryl the best antihistamine thats otc?
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If you need antihistamines to prevent yourself from puking then you should probably just reduce your opiate dose....I find that the extreme nausea that happens before and after puking from opiates just ruins the experience anyway.

On the plus side, yes, Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is one of the better antihistamines for all-around use with opiates. It does reduce nausea, knocks down itching and potentiates the nod.

Morphine is very sleepy in the first place, however. I've taken starter doses of diphenhydramine (25mg) with snorted/oral (not IV!) morphine and it nodded me right out.
 
If you really want to experience the whole morphine rush I would do 25mg and not even ask if it were too much. I dont think it is. but thats just me and I dont want to be the reason of someones OD or if something goes wrong. But do not go any higher than 25mg for the first time. I did 30mg my second time doing it. And at the time I wasnt using any other drugs but I also know my tolerence and that I can handle alot.
So for what your asking I would go with 25mg/1ml as my first shot. especially since you dont want to underdo the shot. The antihistimines do however kind of take away from the pins and needle rush. There is no other rush to compare this one to and ive shot a plethara of substances. Morphine is the only one with the pins and needle rush. I do 45mg a shot and it gives me the perfect rush. even after 8 months of doing it the rush is still the same. even tho I started off with 15mg and worked my way up.
But I see what ur saying. as far as the nausea I have no experience with that to share with you.
 
if your a male between say 70-100kg and previously experienced with opiates

25mg is not a life threatening OD, might get uncomfortable idk maybe you'll vomit but with some common sense i seriously doubt you'll be in any danger.

if your a female it might be a bit heavy, but still, relatively safe.


i'd do either 20mg (or 15 if i wus scurred) and save the next shot for another day..mmmm 30mg morphine in a rig
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Im totally agree with the 15-20mg to start with and another 5mg isnt really that much. I would say do what you feel comfortable doing. The concensus seems to be 15-20mg. So I would deff go with that dose to start with. If your not happy with the results do a bit more at your next dose/shot. You have enough to test the waters with for your first shot. Considering everything you have said about your use, tolerance and nausea I would deff start with 15-20mg for your 1st shot. I also understand you want to experience the rush. I get that. But you really need to stay safe. Theres no doubt in my mind that at 15mg you will feel the rush!! Then next time you will know if you can or want to do more. Its not like other opiets in the rush department. If you wait at the very least an hour you will feel the same pins and needles rush the second time. Thats why I like morphine so much! I know that each time I do a shot I will have my pins and needles rush.
Let us know how things went and what mg you did!
:)
P.S. Have you checked out the morphine mega thread? Theres alot of great info in there!!!!
 
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Hey Goaheadanjuna, Im 1 post away from being able to PM. So I cant personal message you back yet. Those are imposible to make injectable. You dont want to shot wax anyway. I have the 30mg ones and ive tried every way possible to make these injectable. Its a waste of a pill and time to even try. I know these pills suck. they have a very low BA rate orally. Ive never tried snorting one tho. Im not sure of the BA rate of it snorting it. But oral is ~30% and plugged its ~35%. I personally plug them. Not sure why tho. So your only option is to eat or plug them. Sorry. I wish I had a way to help you out but there is just no sure fire way to prepare them for IV. Ive tried every possible way that I have found on BL and other places. and NOTHING works.
If you want to plug them let me know and ill tell you how I prep them for plugging. Seems to be the most efficent route and prep tecnique for use of these pills.
If your going to snort them make sure your nostril is clean and dry bc it will most likely get waxy in ur nose. I would assume anyway.
Now dont be fooled when you crush this pill. it crushes like a normal pill even with the coating taken off. as soon as water hits it, it gels like a mother!
 
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