Jaredborgetti
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Whats a safe dosage of intravenous pharmaceutical morphine in someone opioid naive?
Also, I have a ton of vials but they are 2.5mg morphine/2.5 ml, so for 10mg total I would have to inyect 10ml, seems like a lot of liquid.
Nice. I wish I did. Sounds like the standard 1mg/ML vials. I'd say see if you can't get some more input if you plan on doing 10ML at once though...
I'm sorry you haven't gotten more responses or feedback BTW. I would think you would've garnered more responses by now. As it's a relatively easy question in terms of the knowledge base here. Hopefully you get some more responses sooner than later.
I myself have only ever done smaller shots. I believe the largest I've done in 1 shot is 3-5ML. Honestly I can't recall. Anytime I would've done that large a shot would've been during a period in my life where I was kinda off the deep end. As such I don't recall to well. When I first had my health go to shit I kinda lost it for a bit.
Sorry I'm not more help. Hopefully someone will chime in on the size of the shot. As I agree that 10ML seems like a lot. You might be able to get away with a 3-5mg(ML) shot though.
As with the BA loss of smoking vs IV the smoked H might be virtually = dosage / potency wise to the IV morphine. It would depend on the quality of the H you get of course but I'm assuming not 100% pure vs 100% purity on the morphine.
I hope that helps a little at least. Though my prior post was probably more detailed & useful. As I'm distracted ATM. My apologies. I've got some things going on.
As for IM; I have no experience there. I don't ever IM. Even with micron filters I've never felt the urge to do so. I've only ever IV'd. I guess maybe SC; if you count the occasional miss over the years.
Note that if I had "a ton" of vials I would take the time to research doing larger shots. Though that's because I'm a desperate pain patient who will be on opiates the rest of my life. I'm stuck with bupeprenorphine ATM do to the ridiculous state of affairs in the medical system in my country but I digress.
I don't know your situation & if it's worth taking the time to find out about injecting 10ML safely or not?
Regardless; I wish you the best of luck & I'll try to check Bluelight over the holidays. See if you've gotten an answer & if not see if I can't get you some more help.
If for some reason I don't get a chance to; happy holidays.![]()
Thank you so much! Happy holidays to you too man, btw, how is buprenorphine? I made an other thread asking for advice on how to use some patches, since I have some patches but they are 52.5 mcg which seems like a lot to me, is buprenorphine recreational or no?
Jaredborgetti said:medical protocols seem to use anywhere from 2.5 to 10mg IV of morphine for different conditions and im guessing these are starter doses for patients without tolerance so 10mg doesnt seem like a lot, but it does seem like a shitload of liquid to inyect, if I remember correctly the oral BA of morphine is about 30% and I do have experience with opium orally which is mostly morphine and oral morphine tabs, which I normally use about 30-40 mgs, so 10mgs IV morphine should be just about my normal dosage and enough for a nice experience but it still seems like a lot of liquid for the dosage it is...
Thank you so much for answering! You have been truly helpful, the most help I have ever gotten personally on bluelight on my life, I truly appreciate it.No problem. I'm happy to help. I'm just not on as often or answering questions as much lately. Thanks for the happy holidays BTW. I'm not on as mauch due in part to that Bupeprenorphine you mentioned...
There's tons of threads discussing the topic if you're interested in them. I've posted in some of them.
I'll explain though; if you don't mind a bit of reading. I'll keep it very succint; for me that is. As I'm limited on time. Though I still tend to be effusive as I type fast.
Regarding the bupeprenorphine; sadly enough I have pain issues & a host of health issues resulting in being disabled.
With the so called "opioid epidemic" I'm in a horrible spot. So I feel very negatively towards bupeprenorphine. I don't get my methadone anymore & am stuck with this terrible substitute for the time being. For me it's a nightmare. So many side effects compared to literally any other opioid. It's the absolute worst for me. No other opioid has as many negative side effects / interactions with my health conditions.
Normally opioids (full agonists) help my other health conditions (Chron's, IBS, Various pain issues, Spinal problems, etc.); bupeprenorphine is the opposite! It aggravates my health conditions & does very little for pain by comparison. I need surgery I can't get it done due to the situation. I really need the rest done. Dental shit. Need to have all the teeth I have left extracted before my gums are shot as well & it'll be even more fucked in long run. That doesn't even explain the whole dental thing but I'm guessing you get the point there. It's a very long & complicated story & yeah I'm already going on.
With methadone there's no problem having surgery. It's a great pain killer to boot. I'm not prescribed it BTW. I had my Dr. leave me stranded with no scripts. He moved & left me with a referral no one would take.
Not gonna rant about that though. To much righteous indignation to throw out with my whole situation.
So to answer your question regarding bupe being recreational. There's threads discussing it. The patches though I've never used myself. I had a family member that used them for pain (never ever any recreational substance use in there case) & they found them to be not effective for pain. They don't do recreational anything so wouldn't know that.
With the pharmacological properties of bupeprenorphine I don't recommend recreational usage myself. Everyone I know that's tried it had a bad experience. Though some online post otherwise. From what I've seen they are daily or experienced users. Most daily / experinced users do not find it at all recreational. I know I'd take just about anything else myself.
It's getting way to long though! My apologies. I'm also running out of time for the moment. So I'll try to answer the morphine question part seperataly below.
You mentioned you're not experienced with IV. I totally forgot. Keep that in mind if you do decide to do this. Not everyone enjoys IV. My wife for example likes morphine orally. She hated it the one time she did it IV. There is a lot of histamine release in many cases. I've known others that hated it (at first anyways...).
I used to hate it myself now that I think on it. I used to always take an anti-histamine first. That or mix one in the shot. I remember the first time I did a large dose morphine shot it felt like "having my skin slowly removed with a dull carrot peeler". Burning red spread from toes to head.
Now I enjoy it. I had totally forgotten that I used to hate that part. It was morphine in particular BTW. I loved H, Dilaudid, Opana, etc. IV. Just not morphine. Well obviously H turns to M but they're different in my experience.
You're math & numbers are solid. I'd just be considered by the amount of liquid mostly. That & what I just mentioned. Other than that keep in mind that the numbers are for supposed equal analgesic potency & not for effects.
I'll check back in on this as soon as I get a chance. I'll see if I can't get an answer on the amount of liquid in the meantime. Is this your first IV experience BTW? Are you familiar with technique & such? As if it's your first IV experience that may change dosage recommendations. I might suggest going lower if that's the case. Which would also reduce the amount of liquid problem. Regardless; sorry for the length, I hope I helped some & look forward to speaking to you in the future if you have any other questions.![]()
Well the tablets I have had a couple of times, they are very hard to come by, they have low bioavailability yeah but they are cheap as fuck, you can get a bottle of 100 pills 10mg for like 5$ US dollars in my country with a prescription of course, so morphine is cheap, and when taken at the correct dosage it is as good for pain relief as any other opioid despite the low oral BA, you just havr to make up for the low BA with a higher dosage, I have never snorted them, this is liquid morphine ampoules for IV use though.I don't understand the morphine tablet design. How can they intentionally make something with such low bioavailability when swallowed? How effective is snorting the tablet in terms of bio?
I know that morphine tablets are superior for pain relief, but in a way it just makes people resort to more dangerous methods to get high. Even with meticulous threads on places like BL on how to properly shoot up it would still be probably best to be taught how to do so with someone who has a lot of experience and a good method of preparing the needle. Anyway, I was just wondering about the low bioavailability with morphine and why it is that way.