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teethgrinder83

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if this is in wrong place can someone move pls-finally lost my big viens and having hard trouble with the thinner viens (half in and out,get blood,slips out a little,then can't get another vein and blood conjeals-can anyone help in any way pls? maybe a way of makin sure when I get blood that the needle stays where it is while i push barrel in etc.....the hospital can have trouble but yet you can see the veins their not deep just think and stringy-using insultin works, 1ml
 
Welcome to being a junky. Not a lot you can do about that other than learn to be very careful and not let a needle slip once you hit a vein. I've tried for 45 minutes to an hour to get a vein and failed before, being addicted to smack is a real chore when you're spending that long trying to get a hit 5 times a day.

Things that will help are making sure you are nice and warm before you do the shot to encourage vasodilation and for them to come to the surface. Doing some exercise like some press ups can help push up your blood pressure and make veins pop out and easier to hit. Now, I can't recommend this last one as it's pretty dangerous but sitting in a hot bath with make veins come to the surface and dilate making them easier to hit. Get out and go for the shot immediately to be properly safe, if you're desperate you can do the shot still sitting in the bath. That is dangerous though.
 
Gone in your hands and feet? Don't, if you haven't, though it sounds like you have already. You just sound like you're at the stage where you need to stop before it gets stupid. You'll make a hash of it with those 1ml rigs anyhow, and do more harm than good.

Give your veins a rest for a bit at least. Unless you've hammered them, most DO come back.
 
Sammy G said:
. Unless you've hammered them, most DO come back.
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Doubtful....once the walls of a vein collapse it wont come back. New smaller veins will be formed to divert blood supply but are never as strong as the original ones and are often deeper.

If the vein has just become temporarily inaccessible due to being ruptured it may be possible for it to heal and be re-used but once its collapsed its gone. From the situation the OP is describing I sounds permanent.

Now may be the time to rethink what you are doing OP. You may need immediate IV access in an emergency after an accident or something. Don't wreck every single visible vein you have as the alternative way of introducing fluid and drugs to a trauma patient with no accessible veins anywhere is deeply unpleasant lets just say it involves a large electric drill and your hip bone....don't fancy it?.....don't blame you....have a read of this...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intraosseous_infusion
 
If he's still using 1ml rigs and asking how to how to hit small veins, I'd say it's early in his career.

However, I'm a part-time junky, not a paramedic, so make your own mind up.
 
No I think you have a valid point actually Sammy.

If he is early in his career and he hasn't fucked them completely he may still have useable veins.

I was maybe trying to scare him into rethinking what he's doing as the big hip drill usually has that effect (would scare the shit out of me)
 
Sorry, but the only advice I'm going to give here about IVing heroin is don't -- go back to vaporising of tinfoil, but learn to do it properly this time. If you get the technique right (chisel-pointed tooter, foil not so thin as it just burns through, correctly-sized flame held just behind the beetle, hold each toke for 15 seconds, pinch your nose and exhale slowly) it's really not inefficient at all, and the risk of overdosing is much reduced -- if you inhale too much, you nod out and implicitly stop taking in any more. for awhile (There is still a risk of stopping breathing, whatever RoA is used, so ideally don't use alone.)

I really can't see any good reason to inject when you can just inhale.
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
...because [IVing is] a far superior roa in every way except safety.
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Then ur doin it wrong. Tooting is a near-instantaneous hit, and it's not at all wasteful if it's done properly. The biggest mistake many people make is to overheat the beetle, causing it to decompose (even go on fire, sometimes) instead of just vaporise. The secret is to run the beetle just slightly ahead of the lighter flame, let go of the gas trigger before you finish inhaling, and allow the stored heat to do its work. Exhaling through the nose gives your mucous membranes a second chance with anything that didn't enter your bloodstream via the lungs over the course of 10 - 20 heartbeats.

Disclosure: I could be speaking from a non-neutral viewpoint as I am, shall we say, not fanatically keen on needles.
 
Lol I know how to boot a tray ffs.

You're talking shit I'm afraid, IV is far superior. I can barely get high smoking uk street gear let alone get a gouch, and the rush from IV is just totally different to smoking.

IV is definitely far more efficient as well, although if you are good at smoking you are right the wastage can be pretty minimal.
 
Don't get me wrong smoking works well but as soon as you start IVing it's just like fuck smoking it is a total waste.
 
While I know fuck all about the hit from either ROA..an inhaled substance hits the brain almost as fast as intravenous injection BUT I suspect it all comes down to efficiency I the end...

An injected substance is ALL going into systemic circulation whereas with a vaped/smoked substance a lot is going up into space (literally up in smoke). If you're talking about a medical gas like entanox the that's no big deal as you have a whole cylinder full...just keep inhaling until you reach the desired dose. With heroin that's been purchased with a persons hard earned cash, the difference is about bang for your buck I suspect.

Its not about the ROA being inferior as such as it is the efficiency of the method and the fact that even with the best technique on the world a lot is wasted. If you were somehow able to get every molecule of vapour into your lungs and keep it there the difference would be tiny..i cant be arsed to look it up now in my JRCALC but if you look up the time it takes for an inhaled substance to reach the brain its only a couple of seconds more than IV.

That's kind of irrelevant to my personal advice to the OP though (for what its worth) which is to stop now while he/she still have some veins left as they might be needed for something far more life critical one day.
 
Stuff going to your brain from your lungs is actually going to get there very marginally quicker than from injecting and so may hit you a second or two sooner but with IV you can dump two or three bags (or more if you're greedy) on your brain within the space of a few heartbeats. You just can't do that with smoking it's going to take time to vapourise that much gear, you won't be able to breath in that much vapour in one go etc
 
I'm not advocating IV by the way, just saying we should be honest here and admit that IV is far superior. There's a reason that everyone who starts using IV won't go back to smoking unless they really have to.
 
A couple of things IVing is getting 100% out of yer gear smoking it reduces the BA to about 50% so it is a 'waste' HOWEVER as someone who has lost all usable veins apart from neck and groin (a line I promised I would never cross - and haven't , been v close tho'). Veins dont come back uinless they have minor damage, none of mine have after all this time
To Op its time to knock it on the head as far as fixing is concerned, the frustration of getting sick having conjealed blood in yer works and the rest of it just isn't worth it ; listen to the other posters who have been in your position - i had to stop the needle 10 years ago or more and have smoked gear since after a while you get in to it and the only thing missing is the rush.
 
^absolutely this! Ruined veins do not recover. Its now about 5 years since i sacked the needle due to no easily accessible veins. Like Blondin, I stopped before i crossed the line into femoral/jugular injections... But this only meant i spent the last 2 years of my IV career digging around for stupidly small veins in my hands and feet. As a result my hands are now permanently swollen and are often blue/purple in cold whether. I also suffer from poor circulation in my feet and have numerous scars that look like cigarette burns. However, i don't agree that going back to smoking can ever be satisfactory - it just isnt. Once your veins are gone, it's time to stop. No ifs or buts....
 
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