IV Heroin Dosage - Europe

[Black Ice]

Ok so I'm in Malta.. and I'm trying to get some heroin.

I've searched the forums but didn't find anything that really answered my question.

I know you're supposed to start small and go on from there, but how small is small? When someone says put a small amount, how much do they mean?

I have no tolerance and I only tried heroin once about a year and a half ago.

 

[JV]

well, first off, i wouldnt recommend shooting it if you have no tolerance and tried it that long ago. thats asking for trouble.

i would suggest snorting a small key bump and gauging potency and doing more key bumps until you get the desired effects. i would wait at least 15 mins before doing another though so it has time to hit you and you can see how it is affecting you.

 

[Black Ice]

Well.. I shot it the first time and nothing bad happened.

And the thing is I'm just buying it once and want the full effects so I don't really want to waste a lot of it in snorting..

Can I just shoot a key bump instead and see how that goes?

I mean, I'm willing to shoot a small amount for multiple times to gauge the potency and see how much I need.

I just love the needle so much..

 

[phr]

Best way to test purity is through snorting. No need to make unnecessary holes in your arm...


We don't know how strong your dope is, so we can't give any specifics about how much to dose. My advice would be to start small, snorting no more than 20mg's or so. Then just go from there.

 

[DeLee]

yes, exactly what the previous posters have stated. Start with either snorting or smoking a tiny bit and judge the strenght of your dope.

Then when you have an idea of the strenght you can slam a tiny one and go from there.
Im like you, i would slam a bit to begin with but then i have experience because i was addicted to heroin some years ago.

But when it comes to new areas or batches, start small and work your way from there!

 

[Black Ice]

Ic.. so let's say I do some key bumps to test the strength.. how do I convert it to how much I should shoot?

 

[DeLee]

Ic.. so let's say I do some key bumps to test the strength.. how do I convert it to how much I should shoot?

Well if you do a little bump, you feel something but nothing near a good buzz.
Maybe take the same amount and inject. (IF you feel very very little from the bump i mean)

You gotta have in mind the bump you snorted also, it will add to the amount you shoot.
These things are tricky, hard to give good answers to these questions.
Where i live (sweden) we can buy a "kabbe" which is about 0.2g of heroin, i would maybe do 1/4 or even 1/5 of that if i had no tolerance to check the potency.
And inject slowly, maybe stop when youre halfway through the rig and feel if you sense any buzz coming on.

 

[Black Ice]

I see.. so let me check if I understood..

I snort small bumps at a time until I feel a little bit of effect.. and the total I snorted to feel a little effect is the amount I shoot?

I know it's hard to give a dosage for heroin, I just want to know how to work out how much to shoot

 

[Newbierock]

If you shot it before and was fine, shoot a bit less than that just to be safe.

 

[Black Ice]

Yes.. about that.. I don't really have any idea about how much I used last time since a friend prepared it for me :$

I must say I felt a LITTLE bit of a rush and a great mood change, but I think he put too little in there..

I also have a suspicion that I might have a little natural tolerance since I tried codeine a couple of times and I once used about 24 pills with 8mg each (total of 192mg) and didn't really feel anything..

 

[Akomplice]

Yes.. about that.. I don't really have any idea about how much I used last time since a friend prepared it for me :$

I must say I felt a LITTLE bit of a rush and a great mood change, but I think he put too little in there..

I also have a suspicion that I might have a little natural tolerance since I tried codeine a couple of times and I once used about 24 pills with 8mg each (total of 192mg) and didn't really feel anything..

There's no such thing as "natural tolerance" my friend. People aren't born being able to shoot 4 bags of heroin if you catch my drift.

What there is though is many factors that come into play especially with orally ingested opiates.
For example what and how much you ate before, how much you weigh, different people react differently to everything, etc.. So just because you had a little "tolerance" to codeine way back when doesn't mean you'll have any tolerance to a real opiate like heroin..

If you were saying maybe you have a tolerance because you've taken codeine a couple times before, that doesn't happen either



From what it sounds like you're inexperienced with opiates not to mention IVing anything(No offense and there's nothing wrong with that.). All I'm saying is it sounds like you're alone right?

You have a very vague idea of what you're doing. Maybe it would be a good idea to wait till you get home? If you're on vacation idk, or wait till you're with someone who IV's of knows how to IV.

Also, I don't know where you're from or where you first tried heroin but are you aware that there's different types? Ex. No.1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4?

One needs heat, one needs acid(Vitamin C powder or white vinegar) to shoot, One needs neither, One is better for smoking, One is better for shooting or snorting, Etc...

In Europe they primarily get No. 3 heroin, not like us in the US who get No. 4.
So in that case you're gunna need to learn how to cook that kind, you'll be able to find it on this site or on opiophile.org which has users from all over the world like this site.

With No. 3 heroin you need an acid(like when shooting crack), Ascorbic acid or Vitamin C, or White Vinegar are the best and safest. If none of those are avail. Lemon juice works but is dangerous and has been known to cause health problems and infections in some cases.

So I'd be willing to bet you have no tolerance what so ever, judging by your history so you need to be careful.
Also, you said do key bumps and when you get off do the total amount? No.

Heroin doesn't last long and if you do key bumps and then wait 10 minutes or more in between by the time you find the "dose", some of the bumps you did earlier on will have already wore off.
You have to take half life into account too.

Dude to be honest this sounds like a bad idea, I'm not trying to talk you out of it just my opinion. I and others will help you out if you have your mind made up.

Snorting heroin does not have the same bioavailablity as IVing also. So your snorting dose isn't the same as your IV dose. It's a little lower.


You know what man? I HIGHLY recommend that you just smoke it, granted it is No. 3 Heroin. It will be bomb, not bad compared to IV. You still get a rush and most of the time it lasts longer than IV.

Wait till you're more prepared to IV it. Smoking is really easy, especially with that kind of dope. It's so much cleaner than tar.

If you're set on IVing, or if you want to try smoking. Or fuck if you want to know anything about heroin I suggest you look through this amazing site.

Heroin Helper

Click on the tab that says "User", and "Curious" if you want to learn more about heroin.

User, will teach you how to safely and correctly administer heroin any ROA. With pictures and whatever else..

But again, I'd suggest smoking it.

If you're from the states you're not gunna have a chance to smoke heroin that clean out here. From what I've heard the dope in Europe isn't that good anyway, so wait till you get back with your boy and IV some good shit.


If you want to know anything that isn't on that site feel free to ask anyone here.

Peace,

-Akomplice

Stay Safe

 

[chrisinabox]

if you have no opiate tolerance, i would say anywhere from 25-100mg is a good starting point.

 

[MCMG]

if you have no opiate tolerance, i would say anywhere from 25-100mg is a good starting point.

That's like a whole bag, and he has no tolerance. Even with no tolerance normal people can't handle more then a bump the size of a matchstick. If you have no tolerance don't IV it, if you get powder just snort it, if you get tar smoke it. Seriously its so dangerous to IV it with no tolerance.

 

[chrisinabox]

thats why i said 25 to 100mg, depending on purity. he should start out with 25mg at most first obviously.

 

[Black Ice]

Thanks Akomplice that was very helpful And thanks to the others too.

And I'm from europe.. so I'm home here My friend was a junky who's now terrified of heroin and won't even get close to the substance itself so that's out of the question.

I'll check out that site you gave me.

And I'll keep in mind the matchstick and 25-100mg thing too

Thanks guys, even though so far it's really hard to get ahold of some heroin everyone is either afraid of getting a bad reputation (which I think it's bullshit since they deal coke and pills apart from weed) or doesn't know anyone who has it.

 

[phr]

Akomplice, you mean #2. That's what they mostly get in Europe. #3 is rarely seen anywhere in the world right now. As for "natural tolerence," we're(at least I am), using it to describe the fact that certain people metabolize it at different rates, which effects their dose levels. I forget which ethnicity it's really common with, I want to say middle eastern, but I don't remember right now.






As for snorting to test how much to shoot, I used to do that when I used. What you have to find out is what your intranasal dose is. That is, the dose you snort to arrive at the high you want to achieve. I'm assuming it's an average high, not a brink of OD'ing type of high where you're forcing yourself to breathe and puking all over the place. And I'm assuming you're talking about a single snort, not snorting every 30 minutes and coming up with your 2hr dose... So anyway, you figured that out, let's say your intranasal dose is 200mg's. Next, I would factor in the different ba's for each route, iv being 100% and intranasal being 50%(not exactly, but it's around there). So, from that I know I shouldn't shoot more than half my intranasal dose.

Of course this is very rough, and potency can vary from bag to bag, but it's much better than choosing a dose blindly.

 

[phr]

Akomplice, you mean #2. That's what they mostly get in Europe. #3 is rarely seen anywhere in the world right now. As for "natural tolerence," we're(at least I am), using it to describe the fact that certain people metabolize it at different rates, which effects their dose levels. I forget which ethnicity it's really common with, I want to say middle eastern, but I don't remember right now.






As for snorting to test how much to shoot, I used to do that when I used. What you have to find out is what your intranasal dose is. That is, the dose you snort to arrive at the high you want to achieve. I'm assuming it's an average high, not a brink of OD'ing type of high where you're forcing yourself to breathe and puking all over the place. And I'm assuming you're talking about a single snort, not snorting every 30 minutes and coming up with your 2hr dose... So anyway, you figured that out, let's say your intranasal dose is 200mg's. Next, I would factor in the different ba's for each route, iv being 100% and intranasal being 50%(not exactly, but it's around there). So, from that I know I shouldn't shoot more than half my intranasal dose, which would be 100mg's. At least I know that until I iv it and get a real feel for it's strength. Detecting strength through the needle is much easier than through the nose, but it's also much more risky.

Of course this is a rough estimate, and potency can vary from bag to bag, but it's much better than choosing a dose blindly.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You know what man? I HIGHLY recommend that you just smoke it, granted it is No. 3 Heroin. It will be bomb, not bad compared to IV. You still get a rush and most of the time it lasts longer than IV.

Screw that...snorting lasts longer than IVing, and IVing gives a great rush. Smoking is a big waste.

If he's IV'd before, he'll want to IV again.

 

[Black Ice]

Well.. heroinhelper didn't really have anything about doses, but it had some interesting things

Thanks phrozen that post was quite informative and helped me quite a lot.

And Captain.Heroin got it right.. I think once you IV, it's not just something that you forget about..

 

[Akomplice]

Well.. heroinhelper didn't really have anything about doses, but it had some interesting things

Thanks phrozen that post was quite informative and helped me quite a lot.

And Captain.Heroin got it right.. I think once you IV, it's not just something that you forget about..

Yeah it doesn't have much about doses but it literally has everything else. From cooking, shooting, cleaning, smoking, purifying heroin, and whatever else you want.

Akomplice, you mean #2. That's what they mostly get in Europe. #3 is rarely seen anywhere in the world right now. As for "natural tolerence," we're(at least I am), using it to describe the fact that certain people metabolize it at different rates, which effects their dose levels. I forget which ethnicity it's really common with, I want to say middle eastern, but I don't remember right now.

Umm no phrozen I mean No. 3.. Number 3 heroin is predominant in europe..
No. 2 heroin is rarely seen anywhere except where the heroin is processed.

No. 2 heroin is pure heroin base after it's been converted from morphine into heroin..

Where are you getting this information at? I think you're confusing the two of those.


And in regards to the "middle eastern" people, it's usually Armenians, Turks, Persians and a few other nationalities I believe. All of these ethnicities smoke opium and have for years. It's part of their culture. Mostly Persians, I think or it might be Armenians. Anyway, people from Iran. Smoke it even as children, the mothers smoke it while pregnant. Etc.. So maybe that accounts for what you're saying.


Peace,


-Akomplice