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IV Good Thing, IV Bad Thing, Discuss

Shambles

Shambles

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Heyho, folkydolks :)

Am feelin' ambivalent. In a rather lushy way. But at least 30% ambivalent.

My question is, is it worth picking up the needle in the first place?

To make it clear, I don't just mean to make a scag habit affordable but in general: which drugs - if any are worth risking vascular meltdown for?

Why do we do it? Even in the face of ruined veins? Is the blessed Rush really all that? Even when it takes an hour+ of utter fuckabout stabbing with considerably more hope than enthusiasm at veins we'd nary even notice let alone consider viable "a while back"?

How much damage is "too much"?

I ask cos I just spent ~60 mins pissarsing around finding a viable vein to shoot a lil MDMA crystal into. My rationale being that I've had not a whiff of MD in a dog's age so wanted to get the most bang for me buck... not that there was a buck... but I digress. Burst at least three dregveins before I finally managed to hold the tip in one long enough to shoot me wad (proper oldskool eternal standby vein on the inside of me left wrist - hardly ideal :\).

If I'd never taken the needle in the first place I'd not know what I would've missed. I'd also have functioning veins in general now. Because I went down the prickly route there can never be any real substitute though. Give me a 20-stone of rock and I'll smoke it. Give me an 1/8 of rock and I'll spend several hours trying - and mostly failing - to shoot the shit. Even though the rush is more or less identical to smoking, Why?

Same goes for many other drugs - I'll spend fuckin' hours chasing up one of those pesky veins even when I know damn well I'd be just as well plugging, swallowing, snorting or whatever.

Pure fetish.

Pure addict.

I <3 me pins and needles more than life itself... which is probably why I am starting to understand that there is good reason folks should avoid them as an ROA whenever possible :\
 
Shambles said:
To make it clear, I don't just mean to make a scag habit affordable but in general: which drugs - if any are worth risking vascular meltdown for?
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Putting it that way, none. Of course.

Then again, I don't really know what I'm missing with IV use with any drug other than heroin, and that's only been once in a blue moon, on the occasions I'll be inebriated enough to take silly risks and be around somebody with needles who's willing to do the honours for me. It's something I've fluttered my eyelashes at, groped a bit, got away from and thanked fuck that I've never fallen into as a habitual thing.

Definitely a powerful fetish though, and that's from somebody who's only dabbled. Can see why it fucks some people up and can certainly see where fixations bloom from. Madness, especially with drugs of unknown provenance, but madness I can identify with in a sort of dim and distant 'been there, liked it, will do again, hopefully not-too-often' fashion.

As a digression, how many people do you think picked up a needle fixation from the UK / Ireland 'heroin' drought? I shudder to think. :\

Compulsive shit.
 
Hmmm... somewhat raw nerve struck there, Sammy G :\

I was that fella you'd trust to "hit the spot" for yer once in a while. Considered it HR cos I know wot I'm doing, won't fuck ya (in the Bad way) up and make it short, sweet and painless. Best doc you ever did have. Must've been cos it was how I earned me scagmoney for years - hitting up dealers who'd fucked their veins due to poor technique and/or massive overuse.

The step from smoking scag to shooting scag is but a matter of pennies...

Once you pop (vein) you truly cannot stop though. What else fits in a barrel and why haven't I tried shooting that yet?

Is the Rush worth it? Hells yeah. Kinda the problem. I try to substitute plugging as often as possible (and it genuinely is a decent second-place) but can never now not know how insanely good IV'ing more or less anything is compared to any other ROA. Have always been a stalwart needle fetishist and - frankly - outright encouraged folks to roll out the barrel. Am honestly wondering if maybe the whole HR "try not to inject drugs, try to stick to alternate ROA" mantra wins outright. Cos however godly IV drugs can be it surely can't be worth the longterms physical damage caused... And I'm fuckin' good at IV'ing. Doubt anyone is quite good enough to keep up with the demands of a regular IV regiment though :\

Which ones are worth it? Heroin, (proper) speed and MDMA (in the right circumstance). Maybe ket at a push but not too often, Shame smack and speed tend to involve a wee bit of compulsive redosing really 8)
 
I've never IVed any recreational drugs, I say that as like most I have had various, most recently Morphine administered for medical reasons, Salbutamol at about 12 hit me like a steam train and is an experience I'll never forget.

I've had many friends that have used needles for various substances and been around when they've used, oddly never H, which just never really crossed my path in any significant way over the years, it would always be a friend of one of my friends, lucky break for I think. I don't have a problem with others using needles it carries no stigma for me although if a friend was to start on that route I guess I would be concerned and would want to understand why they were doing so. Maybe that means I do have some level of stigma.

At one time I would have made the argument that I wouldn't damage my body to just ingest recreational drugs, but that is just BS since other ROAs cause damage and abusive use of drugs can cause much quicker and more significant damage.

I think the truth is that I have felt the draw of IV for a long time and more recently an unhealthy interest in H, to use both recreationally and as part of suicidal ideation, so now the whole IV thing is full of demons for me:\

What a miserable post for first thing this morning.....right where are those Morphine tabs;)
 
I guess asking if it's worth picking up the needle in the first place relies a lot on what someone's intentions are surrounding the drug they're using. If it's to get as high as possible then yeah, there't not another way that hits like an IV shot. But if it's to merely experiment a bit with the view of keeping a distance between your regular life and a drugged one then no, definitely not.

There are just too many risks associated (unless you're a pharmacy's best friend) and like you say Shambles, you start looking around at every drugt thinking about the ways to get it into the barrel. I know I was pretty fixated with the needle for a ood while but a looooong stint away allowed it to drift into a foggier memory. Thank god. And I, too, was very good at IV'ing. However, there's no doubt I did damage and still get pins and needles in my arms WAY too easily.

With all the long term effects you can get from IV use I don't think that when all the drug use has calmed down the regret is worth it. You just can't help thinking "what the fuck was that all for? I ain't high anymore and now I've got a load of physical shit to deal with".
 
Nice posts up there <3

If it were simply just another ROA I'd have no qualms singing its praises eternally... but it just ain't. Injecting gets under the skin in more ways than one. After over 20 years of habitual IV use of anything and everything my veins are dead to the world. Only ever had a few brushes with abscesses and collapsed veins cos - as mentioned - I'm good at it. Even with that there just ain't nowhere "nice" left to shoot anymore. I made a decision when I first started shooting to never use certain veins - neck and groin mainly - cos even I need some kinda standards. Have seen folks at the neck/groin stage and it ain't pretty. Nor sustainable.

Genie never will fit back in the bottle... should I regret ever opening it? Ambivalent.
 
Regrets are useless as you know only to well, you've lapped me round the block more than once ;)

It's an interesting subject, maybe the issue is the immediate exterior physical damage, the blood the needles that make some people so repulsed by the process.

If you'd been downing a bottle of whiskey everyday for 20 years you'd almost certainly be dead as you destroyed you liver bottle by bottle.

I'm not so sure about you saying you are unable to stop, if you wanted to, really wanted to then clearly you could, you know I'm not belittling the problem or patronising you, at least I'd hope you would but in the end you decide what you do, not some external force, unless you've found some random prophet of late;)
 
Tis true. Can stop. Do stop. Regularly. My IV rations are very strictly limited these days. But purely down to circumstance. Got nowhere left to shoot shit. But still can't imagine a world when the IV route was totally off-limits.

Think I'm mostly just immensely pissed off that the damage is all done during the "learning" stage when veins are plentiful even for folks like me who started off with a shitty vascular hand. Really could do with some of those long-pissed-away fellas :(

Which is what got me thinking about the wider issue of IV use in general. Think I may just be coming 'round to the idea that it's not such a great thing for me to be so cavalier about recommending :\
 
Pffft, I believe in free will you can recommend what you like I still make the decision, I often read people post with disdain about "the first person who put a needle in them" like they had no choice. Bollox you said yes someone was just helping you out, and hopefully passing on a bit of HR and learnt technique if your lucky.

Mc Donald's do more than recommend (other burger outlets are available) their poison as do or have done tobacco and alcohol companies, spending millions "recommending" their potentially unhealthy products, your way behind them in the queue.

Personal responsibility is undeniable, I've never seen you winge about you lot anyone who does needs to take a good long hard look at themselves, I know that some may feel they have their reasons for ending up in a mess IVing H in particular, and I am aware of the stats on the number of people in that way that have been abused in some way. Harsh as it sounds it still doesn't change personal responsibility.

IV seems the most obvious ROA to me, practicality but mainly prohibition are the main problem with it IMO.
 
Fersure, IV is the only viable route for a heroin addiction. There is - in my mind at least - a difference between junky mentality and "standard drug user" mentality though. Is why I knda exempted injecting scag for financial reasons (cos that probably is the primary reason most smackheads inject sooner or later). It's the addictive and compulsive nature of IV itself that's the pisser. Once you've tasted the glory...

Meh. Clue's in the thread: posted at 6AM just after IVing 100mg of MD crystal. And just prior to shooting another 100mg. And then something ickier I know I shouldn't've. Just a bit battered and sore of vein and mildly maudlin is all, atm. Don't mind lil ol' me. Thinking outloud without much of the thinking bit is all really.
 
no worries mate I could do with the effectsof 100mgs of IV MD right now:D

Kick back and enjoy.
 
Hehe. O I am: trust me ;)=D<3

Not had a sniff for a good year or so and just couldn't resist when a smidge fell in me lap. If I'd eaten, sniffed or plugged that 200mg rather than splitting and shooting it I'd be quite considerably less wasted than I am. But possibly also a tad maudlin 8)

That aside, MDMA <3
 
I've plugged gear twice before and crushed oxycontin 160mg and plugged that. But I'd like to know once and for all, do you have to poop before you do it? Cause everytime I've done it there was no rush I don't think but then I was already high or had a.high tol'.

I have IV'ed before but can't do it myself and don't want to learn.

Can UK stuff not be IM'ed and if not why not? What if I got micronfilters, could IM morphine pills and H then?
 
If you plugged 160mg of oxy you should certainly have been feeling it? Unless you have a massive opiate tollerance, even then 160mg oxy and you should still have been feeling it. I find it funny how everyone on here seem to go for oxy 80's all the time, they are without doubt one of the most counterfeited pills out there. It's like buying roche 10mg blues and thinking they'll be good everytime.

This thread was a pretty interesting bit of insight into the mind of an IV user. Anytime I ever read a thread about heroin or IV use it seems to put me off it even further.
 
My veins are quite ruined from so many hospital visits over the years. Is it the massive relief you get when you finally hit the spot that you are enjoying? It's like stress stress stress annoyance stress, hit the target, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. It's almost as if making the administration of the drug more complex and aggravating adds to the anticipation and satisfaction when you do finally succeed.
 
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