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IV crack vs. cocaine HCL IV

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speedball_racer

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several folks all SWIM have been commenting lately that IV crack is a far better use of base cocaine. I know this has been the subjrct of many posts already but I wanted to ask if people thought maybe this was a permanent trend with the greater social acceptace of IV use, easier access to clean works and the spreading of the word that this means of admin is well liked by those who try it.

Does anyone else see a trend developing here? I can't see why anyone would IV street cocaine HCL when they can get rock which is purer (pure) and is easy to IV. I am looking at this from a chemist/pharmacologists viewpoint and see many advantages to going this newly popular route.
 
My understanding is that crack is freebase cocaine. So it won't be soluble in water. You have to add some acid to dissolve it to iv it, right?
 
^^^I've IVed crack a few times throughout my career, and I always used vinegar to dissolve it.....worked fine.....

as far as which is stronger???? well I HAVE found, on a few occasions, that shooting crack DID in fact get me higher than shooting regular cocaine HCL........but IMO neither method is more consistently stronger than the other......it all depends on what sort of coke (adulterants, etc....) you're dealing with.....

but yeas, it can be done w/vinegar w/relative ease......
 
Vinegar aka acetic acid is basically turning it back to coke. It adds an acetate salt to the freebase making it a salt. It will act just like Cocaine HCL. So whichever is purer is is gonna fuck you up more... which is why people prob like crack better (tends to be purer).
 
When I used to get packs of heroin, every pack would come with a "complimentary" pack of base cocaine. It was a very small amount, and a very thick paste. Only IVed it a few times, but it was quite strong, much stronger than any cocaine hydrochloride I have shot.
 
ive been IVing coke for awhile... ive never shot crack.. but i think ill just stick with coke... it seems alot easyer... and i get the idea that shooting viniger would hurt
 
Well the point has already been made in this thread... you are never really IVing crack (Ie. cocaine freebase) - you always turn it into salt when you want to dissolve it.
 
The salt should attach to the base and then you can heat it to evap the excess acetic... not to mention its not very acidic, quite in the range of your bodys natural buffer system.
 
The couple times i did this it fucked me in half, But i can't tell if it was a tolerance thing or not.

Either way my problem with it is vinegar or lemon juice or any other acid generally kinda stings if you miss or leak
 
I think that schooting crack (turning it back to coke or not) you getting a purer product than the average coke on the street. I mean more cocaine per volume.
 
more info from SWIM

SWIM relates that if you add a small amount of vinegar to crushed rock such that all of the rock doesn't dissolve, but close to all of it, then it won't hurt very much as all the acetic acid has been consumed to dissolve the freebase crack. So one would use only enough vinegar to dissolve the crack and then the pH of the water + cocaine acetate should be fairly close to neutral, or at least not nearly as acidic as vinegar (5% acetic acid usually) .

Cocaine in heat sensitive (from Merck manual) so heating solutions of it may not be a great idea. A little would be fine (warm) but boiling may not be a good idea. This may be another good reason to use the purer crack to start with than cut up street Coke HCl.

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There are two debates here really one is the best use of base (smoke or IV), the other is IV-ing base vs. IV-ng cocaine HCl.
 
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Assuming the supposed crack does not break down in vineger.. Then it was not crack correct?
 
Assuming the supposed crack does not break down in vineger.. Then it was not crack correct?
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I've had crack from DC that didn't break down in vinegar without some heat, but it was extremely potent.

Couldn't tell you why it didn't break down. It was only the second time I IVed crack. The first time I got a batch from New Haven, CT. That broke down like nothing in vinegar.
 
Re: more info from SWIM

Originally posted by speedball_racer
SWIM relates that if you add a small amount of vinegar to crushed rock such that all of the rock doesn't dissolve, but close to all of it, then it won't hurt very much as all the acetic acid has been consumed to dissolve the freebase crack. So one would use only enough vinegar to dissolve the crack and then the pH of the water + cocaine acetate should be fairly close to neutral, or at least not nearly as acidic as vinegar (5% acetic acid usually) .

Cocaine in heat sensitive (from Merck manual) so heating solutions of it may not be a great idea. A little would be fine (warm) but boiling may not be a good idea. This may be another good reason to use the purer crack to start with than cut up street Coke HCl.

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There are two debates here really one is the best use of base (smoke or IV), the other is IV-ing base vs. IV-ng cocaine HCl.
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I'm not 100% sure of this but here it goes: In order for cocaine to dissolve in water it must be in its salt form. When you add so much vinegar that the crack almost dissolves you are creating the salt of cocaine in order for it to dissolve. You are at the same time making the water acidic, but this happens as you are making the cocaine salt.
If you take Cocaine HCl and dissolve it in water, the H+ ion will be dissolved in the water while the Cl- ion will be attached to the cocaine molecule. The H+ ion concentration in water is what defines the pH of a solution. So it's not like some of the HCl is used to make the water acidic while another part makes the cocaine acidic. It happens simultaneously.
And another thing also... One would assume that the HCl part of the cocaine somehow falls off the molecule when it is inside the body since it wouldn't be possible for the cocaine to pass the blood brain barrier when it is so hydrophilic.

What about dissolving the crack in alcohol and then injecting it? One gram of cocaine base dissolves in 6.5 mL alcohol. So you wouldn't need much alcohol and you wouldn't get drunk from it.
 
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redeemer said:
What about dissolving the crack in alcohol and then injecting it? One gram of cocaine base dissolves in 6.5 mL alcohol. So you wouldn't need much alcohol and you wouldn't get drunk from it.
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seems like it would be worth a shot (no pun intended ;) )

I quit IVing stuff recently though so I can't be the guinea pig..... :(
 
I think this is a really bad idea. While base coke may dissolve in alcohol, I am not sure it creates a water soluble salt when it does so. Also, injecting alcohol in any concentration is bad for you, stings like hell, and in concentrations above 20% it will kill the cells it comes in contact with.

Not sure why you would want to experiment with this, but read some of Psycubus' recent posts if you are curious.

FC
 
Vinegar (an acid) will just turn it back into coke, you filter your shot and the insolubles get taken out and you're shooting coke. Tada.
 
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