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Opioids IV #3 Heroin (?)

eireann said:
Guys with european heroin,we heat it,you are forgetting we can smoke ours its completely different to yours,if we dont heat it,we would lose most of the heroin,i appreciate bluelights advice but this is the reality of european heroin use.

it simply wont dissolve in a safe or efficient way without heat.
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This is true. I don't really see why Americans who are talking about a different form of heroin (the HCl salt which easily dissolves in water) are saying that nobody should use a little heat to speed up the process of converting freebase Heroin to the injectable salt. Why do you think people advise to use citric or ascorbic acid? Because it doesn't dissolve otherwise. Heating it a bit just helps dissolve the heroin. You only need just a little heat, and everything that's not dissolved after that isn't supposed to be dissolved. Use a filter and draw up through that. And yes, it does cool very quickly. Nobody likes injecting hot liquids in their veins, or very acidic ones for that matter. Therefore: use very tiny bits of acid. Just add until all the H is dissolved. Add more, and you're just making the solution more acidic.

I really think that there are so many more dangers to injecting street heroin than heating the solution and dissolving some possible adulterants that wouldn't have dissolved in water otherwise anyway. Just my 2 cents.

And OP: your dope must be shit indeed. Better get rid of it or try smoking it instead of putting that stuff in your veins.
 
alt 14 said:
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I'm not surprised the adulterants don't precipitate out over there. Here in America we use things that are very water soluble for cuts. Like sugars(sucrose), sugar alcohols(mannitol), and salts. Again, this shit is getting in ur vein anyway. No matter if you heat it or not.

Interesting recent posts about having to actually warm up your shots of #3. Again, it's a commonly known fact that solutes will precipitate out of solvents when the solution is cooled. Because its common knowledge I don't have to cite it, and that information is accessible to anyone in a quick wiki read of solutions and/or precipitation in chemistry section.

If you call me wrong again, I will report your post. YOU are the one spreading misinformation, though I believe it to be unintentional. Look it up on your own or leave it alone. Now.
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Yes you name it, because of the high solubility of adulterants it doesn't matter if you heat it or not they will go in solution and stay there (even if cooled). If you have supersaturated solution of adulterants like i.e. caffeine and acetaminophen (common in brown heroin and not very water soluble), it would dilute in the blood of your body that this can never be dangerous.
So what are we actually doing here, why apply heat? This is a neutralization reaction between a weak base (heroin) and a weak acid (acetic acid, ascorbic acid, citric acid). I could not find hard facts on the kinetics of this reaction. But from practice i can say its SLOW! Slow enough that the average junky in withdrawals must apply heat to speed it up! Maybe one could use stronger acids without heat, like hydrochloric acid or sulfuric acid, but this is not advised, because of over acidification and damage to veins.
 
Thank you.

Mostly, nothing major to critique. I think I'm just misunderstanding some of you at this point. Because you can create a super-saturated solution with heat, but by the time it cools and when you drop the filter on and stick the needle in it will be back to solubility at room temperature. I wish I could repeat myself 10, maybe 20 more times, it's just so durn fun. But I doubt it'll make too much difference with this crowd, who won't bother to read for 5mins and think logically on their own.

How was your dope?
 
alt 14 said:
Mostly, nothing major to critique. I think I'm just misunderstanding some of you at this point. Because you can create a super-saturated solution with heat, but by the time it cools and when you drop the filter on and stick the needle in it will be back to solubility at room temperature.
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Yes, but that's assuming that heat is applied to achieve super-saturation, which it isn't. It's just used to help H dissolve a little quicker. When the liquid cools down, it's still acidic water with heroin salt dissolved in it. Unless you use very very little water and really need to apply heat for some time to dissolve all of your dope, there's no reason why the heroin would precipitate back out. If it doesn't dissolve with a little heat, you might need a little bit more acid and if some parts still don't dissolve then, they're not meant to be dissolved.

But well, this isn't really the discussion for the OP. trip407's posts are right on the money.
 
No no no I mean particles that are only partially soluble will become more soluble when you heat the spoon and then mostly precipitate out. Freely soluble particles like the cuts I mentioned and of course the heroin will not precipitate in that situation.

Yes sometimes in these sorts of boards a question is simply answered, and another tangent is started. I'm not trying to get this thing locked exactly, and tbh I don't even remember the original topic without looking, but isn't it about how to cook #3 heroin? If not i apologize dearly because that's what I was under the impression it was about when i popped in.
 
I do agree with this/\.

And alt 14...feel free to report the post, since it was directly quoted from a moderator from the injection safety thread.

And I apologize to those from somewhere other than the US, I would never presume to know more about the conditions of the dope there than you do.
 
There's nothing to report in that post, don't be a smart ass. Your quote was irrelevant to my points.

Sorry I come off as a dick in this thread, but you were talking about black tar and that other guy about #4. and as I re-read that quote, it implies people heat a shot and try to suck it up while its warm; this makes no sense to me. Not to mention sounds difficult, but im not a master with a needle as someone pointed out when asked me if i ever saw someone withdrawal. Also is talkin about heating salt preparations, which why would anyone try to heat anyway? This thread is #3 H.

Really the only mystery left here is.. OP, how was your dope?
 
SoonAJunkie said:
First of all,mods ,please do not put this thread in my other thread about heroin,i want some clear info.

So i have some #3 dope,and was wondering,can i IV it?My dealer told me it's made for snorting/smoking but why the hell do so many people plug a needle in their vein,i mean they can't all be taking #4 Heroin since #4 exists in the US and VERY rarely in the EU.

Anyway,do i need to boil the water hard?Or put some lemon/orange juice to dissolve it?

Thanks in advance!;)
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number 4 can be found in Barcelona sometimes, not in the rest of Spain, dont ask me why cause i dont have the answer

do you know what? im 32 yo, i tasted the H around 19 or 20, i dont remember ecxactly. But never been into IV. I have had a lot of problems, but at least i have a house and i have some jobs, not the best jobs in life, but jobs where to take money

You are doing a fast race, you will be very soon a junkie

why do you want to be a junkie? ( just curiosity, dont answer if its so personal)
 
OP did you hit your vain?? chances are on your first go you will either kill yourself or be left with an arm covered in huge bumps for a few days. so you might want to wear baggy sleeves,i cant believe you were influenced to try heroin by music etc. i cant see how kurt cobain's life could be taking as a romantic fairy tale...FFS!!!

Still if you did it,report back and lets us know you are alive.
 
alt 14 said:
Omfg, I give up on you guys. You're hopeless. I never told anyone to heat their shots. Not one fucking time. Just said that you logically could. And that it would speed up convert from freebase alkaloid to citrate. ...and if you would read what I posted instead of telling me I'm wrong 3times, you would see I said on a number of occasions that I didn't even know if it was required at all, and that you could accomplish the same thing with rapidly stirring.

If you don't understand how a solution works, fine, be it so, but don't fucking tell me I'm wrong. It's common knowledge. And you. Are. Wrong.

Say you have a partially soluble particle, APAP or whatever you want, partially soluble.. You heat up the solution, it becomes super-saturated. You drop the temperature back to inital conditions, solubility drops back to initial conditions as well; and like, I know, for a fact, this would happen in just a hand full of seconds before you put the needle in.

P.S. and you wouldn't need a wheel filter afaik, least anymore than you would any other shot.. Just a little piece of cotton... I don't see how heating up sterile water would put extra bacteria in there, tbph..
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P.S. since this is about HR, it is always advisable to filter any kind of shot going into your vein with a wheel filter rather than cotton if at all possible!
 
Yeah well of all the times I've ever been hit with a needle, which has to be 15 or more, I always used just used a piece of cotton. But if you shoot up ever month or week or day or, like that, I guess it would be a better idea. For one shot of heroin, like he's talking about, it seems a little over the top IMO. But touché I guess? Idk missmeyet? You seem to know a lot of helpful things to say which is nice. Hehe :)
 
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bennyZA said:
Considering how intense this 'heating' debate is, I think it's safe to say that IVing #3 the 3rd time you've done heroin is a really, really stupid idea. Especially since the OP barely has an experience with drugs at all.
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Mr.Scagnattie said:
Exactly. This is the real issue here.
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Of course this is the real issue, but since the OP doesn't seem to want to listen, the best we can do is give as much harm reduction tips as possible.

And alt14: I think everyone should always aim at using the best materials possible. It doesn't really matter how often you shoot up, one time can be enough to completely fuck you up.
 
Yeah of course it can go catastrophically wrong, but anyone shooting drugs off the streets, or even coming from a unknown laboratory, should know the dangers of that. They jump out so hard to even untrained eye;ngetting dirty drugs, getting drugs of a different purity, missing a shot of impure drugs.. I mean everyone should know this before deciding to pick up a needle and trying to somehow figure out how to get the drugs in their blood stream.

Really it's sad because drugs is a victimless crime, and a free market could fix problems with keeping them safe and standardized. But even then there will be people too lazy or too dumb to seek answers and then more important understand them. And those unfortunate to verify what they hear until its too late :/ sad tbh.
 
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