It's not the cut at all. And it's not coke, either!

[Le Junk]

groovee,

Procaine cooks just like cocaine, and ephedrine has a higher boiling point than cocaine. Therefore, once again it passes the sucker test!

robd,

Yes, as a matter of fact I did notice that! But with an addictive personality, I just kept going back for more thinking maybe I just needed one more line! The result, more and more of a complete mess. Walking around on tippytoes, paranoia, heart racing, geeked out, need I go on......................

 

[naturalone]

He hasn't proven anything. All Le Junk has done is prove that the coke he gets is a crappy mix of ephedrine and procaine. So, he gets shitty coke, sucks for him. But I can't even imagine how you got from his post that he cracked the American Cocaine mystery, and that it is somehow all a big conspriacy. I highly doubt this extends even beyond counties, I bet it is from select dealers in select towns that sell this combo.

Furthermore, there are just WAY too many cocaine users in the US to not notice that their "cocaine" is a fucking topical anesthetic mixed with ephendrine. I really don't believe it, because I have taken ephindrine before, and the "buzz" I got from it was fucked up, super speedy, and basic crap, not to mention my heart was pouding through my chest after the tiny bit I did, ONE time. When I first tried cocaine, it was NOTHING like that time I used ephedrine.

As well, the cocaine I used has the proper half-life of 30-60 minutes, I can get to sleep 2-4 hours after my last line w/o much trouble, it numbs considerably well, it has a processed chemical smell, much like one would expect from clandestine made coke, and it has a pearlescent appearance. It also always came in rocks. Not to mention, my new connection sells gooey yellow coke, the best I've ever seen or tried, and it compared to the stuff I first got, only more powerful in numbness and euphoria.

So, there you have it. As far as I'm concerned, nothing has been proven. How do we even know he's actually done this, and not just trying to prove us all wrong with a little thought out trick? I'd like to see pictures of you using the test kit, doing your process and with the packets you get.

LOL. i didn't realize that people would get so uptight about this topic. it's the first i had even heard of it. sounds like bad batches in two different regions, and i don't doubt that it happens a lot at all...dealers sell crap everywhere. i never said that 'all' coke was bad, or anything like that. i just think that it's cool that he did the testing and found out that what he (and some friends) were putting into their bodies wasn't what they thought it was. it's very responsible.

and, maybe it is a larger problem than just his dealer selling bunk shit. sounds like it to me. i guess that i just trust that the guy did what he said, because why in the hell else would anyone come here with such a story? to prove to the internet that they're cool?

jesus, it seems like people have been so fucking uptight lately. maybe it's time for a break from BL. can't answer questions unless they're dead-on answers, can't post in support of people testing the shit that they're putting in their bodies without getting railed on. maybe everybody is so uptight because their coke is bunk and they've been forced to take tramadol to catch an opiate buzz.

i can see it now; "naturalone, first of all tramadol is NOT an opiate. second of all, i don't do coke, so it can't be bunk. third of all, my dick is bigger than yours."

there, i hope that i at least saved someone from having to post that shit.

 

[naturalone]

btw: i've never done ephedrine or had procaine. i've also never had really shitty coke. i have been blessed. i had a habit for a very long time, but was fortunate to have the connections and the resources to pretty much always get good coke. sometimes, when i would be doing someone else's coke, it would be cut to shit. but, to my knowledge, i have never had ephedrine or procaine.

and, didn't i say that i was just hypothesizing? who the fuck knows what's really going on. it's a discussion board. i was having a fucking discussion with someone, just like everybody else.

 

[Beeebs]

What about all the tests that the cops do that come out POSITIVE for cocaine?

 

[uumpaloompa]

was the crap cocaine you were getting always in powdered form or was it chunky, like it was broken off a brick?? Im just wondering, because of all the coke ive tried the bunk shit was always powder, and the good stuff was still in chunks. Not that the chunky stuff was always the greatest stuff, but it still had cocaine in the mix.

 

[Le Junk]

I've rarely ever gotten just powder. For example, the substance in question is in chuncks with some residual powder. I usually get it in, what people refer to as "mother of pearl". Very pearlescient. Believe me, I'll be testing every batch from now on.

I did neglect to mention this, though. I accidentely brought back a gram bag from my Costa Rica trip. It actually floated to the top of the wash cycle when my girlfriend was doing laundry. It was tied so tight that it din't catch any moisture.....thank god!

Anyway, I live in Indianapolis and my buddy and I went to the track (Indianapolis Motor speedway) with suite passes for practice last week.

We took that bag from Costa Rica (same batch of which I'd already tested positive while in Costa Rica) to the track with us.

Now, he's used to getting the usual shit around here from any of 15 different sources, and after a couple lines of this shit, he couldn't believe it! He said it was like a whole different drug. He couldn't get enough of that shit and wouldn't shut up either, by the way.

Anyway, so after going to the track, we run out of this great blow. So we decide to call one of our many local sources and grab a quick teener. We go over to this guys house, just talkin' it up, havin' a great ole' time.

Five minutes after doing a couple of those Indy lines, it was so quite you could hear a pin drop. The good times were gone and I was reaching for the valiums.

This junk ass shit was the same stuff I tested and then posted for this thread. But it is the same general feeling I get from all of the coke around here. Junk!

 

[uumpaloompa]

your situation sounds very strange to me. you know 15 dealers, and none of them have the real deal?? that just doesnt sound right to me. everywhere ive been, i have been able to find at least one reputable dealer. 15 dealers giving out fake blow would get themselves killed or into alot of trouble down the road. your situation is just so hard to make sense of.

 

[Le Junk]

I never said that all of it around here contains no cocaine. In fact, most of it probably does. What I'm saying is, is that if ephedrine is being used in whole, or as just a cut, it certainly is affecting the quality of your high. It's just satisfying to know that I have found something of value concerning the quality of street cocaine nowadays.

 

[uumpaloompa]

Re: It's not the cut afterall, but it's not cocaine either!

I never said that all of it around here contains no cocaine.

You may not have said all of it, but from what you said on three different occasions, it would lead one to believe thats the case!!

It must follow all three color changes in order to contain ANY cocaine hcl. Well, it flunked!

I would have never thought that it didn't contain any at all. It really is difficult to purify or extract cocaine out of a mixture that doesn't contain cocaine, if you know what I mean!

Now, I know that most of the shit I was getting contained absolutely no cocaine at all.

 

[groovee]

groovee,

Procaine cooks just like cocaine, and ephedrine has a higher boiling point than cocaine. Therefore, once again it passes the sucker test!


Are you saying the effects of smoking crack made from procaine would be similar to crack made from cocaine?

 

[Le Junk]

uumpa,

The first statement was refering to the batch in question, and it flunked the cocaine hcl test.

The second statement was refering once more to the originally stated batch.

The third statement may have been stretching things a lil'. I should have re-phrased the statement to say that a lot of times I probably get no cocaine at all, and othertimes I get a mix of cocaine and ephedrine.


groovee,

No, but you left ephedrine out of the equation. I would have to assume that procaine would cook up very similarly to cocaine. Cook the ephedrine in with it, and you will definately get high! Once again you get dupped into another high, but not the right one.

Again, it all goes back to you having had to have tried real cocaine before making any comparisons to the high you are now receiving.

I am not saying by any means that there is not still cocaine in most of the samples on the street. I am just opening up the mind to other possibilities that ephedrine, whether it be in whole or in part, of a lot of the cocaine on the streets today.

Remember, ephedrine also creates a high that would deminish the good and true effects of cocaine.

 

[blacklabel]

Sounds fairly sound Le Junk. Good job man, even if their is some flaws, certainly something has to be going on. I don't even get near coke, not that its in my town anyway, but from everything I've read on here, SOMETHING has to be up.

I've done coke like 3 times. One time it was great even without that much, lotsa euphoria, talkative and shit. The other times were pretty damn weak, and now that you say it, somewhat resemebled an ephedrine buzz (or with effects how you perfectly described), perhaps with a small amount of coke. So likely a lot of shit is heavily cut with ephedrine, fuck coke anyways though.

 

[goldenbrown]

Well when I said he can't prove he's done it, I was simply getting into the technical side of things. It really doesn't matter. I've done ephidrine before, orally, and it sucked, very different feeling than the coke I use here on the west coast. There probably is ephedrine/procaine crap going around, though I am really surprised LeJUnk seems to find it everywhere he goes.

I actually typed out a pretty damn long reply yesterday, but my computer froze and I lost it. Basically, I don't doubt you did the tests. I don't doubt the results, and I believe the shit you get in Costa Rica is great.

I hope you find some good coke soon.

 

[goldenbrown]

I just remembered the main point of the lost reply from yesterday. I really think a lot of the difference you feel between the Coke is in your head. I'm not calling you a fool or anything, but a lot of people get off on the cutting, the snorting, the rush from the act of snorting and not from the drug itself, not to mention the numbness. After all that, and the energy one gets, some people are social as hell, while others don't really get much out of the process, so their experience with just the drugs effects isn't anything like how people play coke up to be. So certainly part of the differences you feel is due to expectations, among other things.

Oh yeah, I used to feel awesome when I got drunk. All the positive effects you've always listed about coke, I got from alcohol. Sexed up, social, super-confidence, euphoria, my body warm, everything's great. Nowadays, when I get drunk, I tend to get depressed, I am not anymore social than when I'm sober, though my nerves are definitely calmed down, no anxiety. Sometimes I start crying for no reason, and I don't get all sexed up like I used to either. Basically, I just want you to see that a person's experience with certain substances can change greatly over time and lots of use.

Good luck with the rest of the tests, and finding some decent coke in the states.

 

[groovee]

I don't agree with you LeJunk, but its a free country. I know people that have been cooking crack for years and I think they would notice. I certainly would.

 

[Le Junk]

groovee,

All I'm saying is that I personally feel that alot more cocaine than you think is being cut with ephedrine. Though its probably unusual for a particular sample to go to the extreme of containing absolutely no cocaine at all, there is a very good possibility that ephedrine is being used as the dominant cut.

Remember, ehedrine is an active cut that when used, even in moderate use, will alter any positive effects from the cocaine in the same sample.

 

[AznRaver]

i agree that alotta coke is cut, but with ephedrine? i take ephedrine hcl all the time to go lifting in the gym and it produces effects nothing like coke. further, have you railed ephedrine hcl? burns like hell! all the coke has been real smooth railing it like it just belongs up in your nose. And ephedrine should not be railed but eaten!

 

[K'dOUTinAZ]

You must be getting some bullshit, just rock the shit up and use the lemon juice extraction to get what you want.

I'll tell you this much, the shit that I used to deal was far from bunk. I had no idea that there was *such shitty stuff* going around. As far as I knew, these streets had nothing to complain about...

 

[groovee]

I will commend you on bringing up a topic people can comment on without flaming.

Maybe you should go back to Costa Rica, fill up your back pack and do a taste test for all us naysayers!

 

[Le Junk]

groovee,

Funny you said that, but we are actually making plans to go there about once every three months just to get our fill of the real deal! We can go down there, party for 7 days straight and get it out of our systems until the next time!

K'dOUT,

I've got to tell ya', I've never heard of the lemon juice extraction method.

I've cooked it up before and tried to bring it back to a salt with muriatic acid, but what's up with the lemon juice?