It's legal: cops seize cell phone, impersonate owner

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Apologies if this has been posted already - I understand it's an old story, but nonetheless a good one I haven't seen/read and figured others would like to have a gander at.

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OP - http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/its-legal-cops-seize-cell-phone-impersonate-owner/

In November 2009, police officers in the state of Washington seized an iPhone belonging to suspected drug dealer Daniel Lee. While the phone was in police custody, a man named Shawn Hinton sent a text message to the device, reading, "Hey whats up dogg can you call me i need to talk to you." Suspecting that Hinton was looking to buy drugs from Lee, Detective Kevin Sawyer replied to the message, posing as Lee. With a series of text messages, he arranged to meet Hinton in the parking lot of a local grocery store—where Hinton was arrested and charged with attempted possession of heroin.

Hinton wasn't Sawyer's only target. According to a court decision summing up the facts, "Sawyer spent about 5 or 10 minutes looking at some of the text messages on the iPhone; he also looked to see who had been calling. Many of the text messages that Lee's iPhone had received and stored were from individuals who were seeking drugs from Lee."

So Sawyer texted one of the individuals on the list and asked him if he "needed more." The individual, Jonathan Roden, replied, "Yeah, that would be cool. I still gotta sum, but I could use some more. I prefer to just get a ball, so I'm only payin' one eighty for it, instead of two Ts for two hundred, that way." (The court helpfully explained that a "ball" is "a drug weight equivalent to approximately 3.5 grams.")

But can cops legally do this with seized cell phones? When their cases went to trial, Hinton and Roden both argued that Sawyer had violated their privacy rights by intercepting, without a warrant, private communications intended for Lee.

But in a pair of decisions, one of which was recently covered by Forbes, a Washington state appeals court disagreed. If the decisions, penned by Judge Joel Penoyar and supported by one of his colleagues, are upheld on appeal, they could have far-reaching implications for cell phone privacy.
"No longer private or deserving of constitutional protection"

"There is no long history and tradition of strict legislative protection of a text message sent to, displayed, and received from its intended destination, another person's iPhone," Penoyar wrote in his decision. He pointed to a 1990 case in which the police seized a suspected drug dealer's pager as an example. The officers observed which phone numbers appeared on the pager, called those numbers back, and arranged fake drug purchases with the people on the other end of the line.

A federal appeals court held that the pager owner's Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure were not violated because the pager is "nothing more than a contemporary receptacle for telephone numbers," akin to an address book. The court also held that someone who sends his phone number to a pager has no reasonable expectation of privacy because he can't be sure that the pager will be in the hands of its owner.

Judge Penoyar said that the same reasoning applies to text messages sent to an iPhone. While text messages may be legally protected in transit, he argued that they lose privacy protections once they have been delivered to a target device in the hands of the police. He claimed that the same rule applied to letters and e-mail. (Police would still need to seize or search a phone or computer legally, and phones are much easier for cops to seize than computers, which generally require a warrant.)

"On his own iPhone, on his own computer, or in the process of electronic transit, Hinton's communications are shielded by our constitutions," he wrote, referring to both the state and federal constitutions. "But after their arrival, Hinton's text messages on Lee's iPhone were no longer private or deserving of constitutional protection." Penoyar rejected Roden's privacy arguments on similar grounds.
Unsettled law

Mobile phones exist in a constitutional grey area. The law has well-developed doctrines protecting the privacy of our desktop computers, landline telephones, and filing cabinets. But modern cell phones perform all of these functions, and more. If the police are free to rummage through any cell phone that falls into their hands, every arrest would automatically give the police access to a treasure trove of private data that they would otherwise need a warrant, based on probable cause, to obtain.

The Washington State decision is not unprecedented. Last year, the California Supreme Court ruled that no warrant was required for the police to peruse a cell phone that was confiscated after its owner tried to sell ecstasy to an undercover police officer. In that case, the police obtained a text message that seemed to confirm the government's case against the suspect. Two justices of the California Supreme Court dissented from the ruling.

One judge dissented from the Washington State rulings as well. "Sawyer engaged in a continuing search when he first searched the contacts list on Daniel Lee's iPhone to find Hinton's phone number," wrote Judge Marywave Van Deren in her dissent. Sawyer "used Lee's iPhone to send and receive messages from Hinton. Under these circumstances, I would hold that Sawyer was required to obtain a search warrant."

In a slightly different context, the Obama administration has also held that the contents of cell phones enjoy constitutional protection. Earlier this year, the Department of Justice filed a brief in a Maryland case arguing that Baltimore police had violated a man's constitutional rights—including his Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure—when they seized his phone and deleted videos he had taken of the officers' conduct.
 
Cops do this, whether or not it's legal. It's certainly not the first time I've heard of this.

I can't imagine someone not smart enough to put a password protection on their iPhone though. :|

It's seriously easier than buying drugs.
 
Years ago on the tv show "cops" i saw a officer doing this.. the officer stopped a guy and found drugs in his car then answered his phone and said shes his gf and to come down and get it
 
how the hell do they make the bust? No drugs can be possessed cuz there's no dealer to distribute them.

edit: oh I see now:

Hinton was arrested and charged with attempted possession of heroin.

I've never heard of such a charge.

Why didn't they try to talk him into purchasing a million tons? They could've made the biggest bust in history!
 
Cops do this, whether or not it's legal. It's certainly not the first time I've heard of this.

I can't imagine someone not smart enough to put a password protection on their iPhone though. :|

It's seriously easier than buying drugs.

Cops tried to search my phone and repeatedly asked for my password. i politely told them "no" and to get a warrant. Plus out of paranoia I routinely erased texts and only sent discreet texts to dealers such as "Hey you busy" or "Can I call?" then did the rest over the phone.
 
One time when i was watching to serve and protect which is Canada's version of cops (it was for the most part shot in western Canada) and after seizing a cell phone off a suspected meth dealer one of the little piggies pretended to be the dealer. I am not sure if it would hold up in court here at all but it's done sometimes atleast. When it comes to things like this i am very glad that i come from a place where you almost always know your dealer. Also since cops here are almost always from mainland Canada or atleast the city there is no way they can fake a accent from where i am from. Using code words or atleast names of places that only the locals would know is a good way of preventing this shit from happening.
 
Does anyone think "attempted possession" is both funny and stupid?

It's like charging someone with attempted murder because they get a pellet gun for their birthday or something.
 
There is an episode if cops where about 4 units with a total of like 12 cops and some swat all hid around an apartment complex in a poor black urban area. A cop (also black to "fit in" with the populace) poses as a resident and stands at a sidewalk intersection in the middle of the complex. He walks up to and solicited anyone he saw to "come here, look what I got"

and then after people immediately turning and walking away or saying "no go away" to the guy, one guy says what u got? And the cop pulls a bag out with a green leafy substance to pretend to have weed, then the guy buying looked at it, not touching, and says "that ain't real!" and by that point the cops hiding all bust out of the bushes and behind corners, and tackle an arrest the guy. The guy who just said "that's not real." he was charged with the oh so lovely "intent to purchase". Like whattt the ferkkk?
 
There is an episode if cops where about 4 units with a total of like 12 cops and some swat all hid around an apartment complex in a poor black urban area. A cop (also black to "fit in" with the populace) poses as a resident and stands at a sidewalk intersection in the middle of the complex. He walks up to and solicited anyone he saw to "come here, look what I got"

and then after people immediately turning and walking away or saying "no go away" to the guy, one guy says what u got? And the cop pulls a bag out with a green leafy substance to pretend to have weed, then the guy buying looked at it, not touching, and says "that ain't real!" and by that point the cops hiding all bust out of the bushes and behind corners, and tackle an arrest the guy. The guy who just said "that's not real." he was charged with the oh so lovely "intent to purchase". Like whattt the ferkkk?

/facepalm

I'd be furious if I found out I was contributing tax money to pay for this victim's $50,000 yearly jail tab for something so bloody ridiculous.
 
There is an episode if cops where about 4 units with a total of like 12 cops and some swat all hid around an apartment complex in a poor black urban area. A cop (also black to "fit in" with the populace) poses as a resident and stands at a sidewalk intersection in the middle of the complex. He walks up to and solicited anyone he saw to "come here, look what I got"

and then after people immediately turning and walking away or saying "no go away" to the guy, one guy says what u got? And the cop pulls a bag out with a green leafy substance to pretend to have weed, then the guy buying looked at it, not touching, and says "that ain't real!" and by that point the cops hiding all bust out of the bushes and behind corners, and tackle an arrest the guy. The guy who just said "that's not real." he was charged with the oh so lovely "intent to purchase". Like whattt the ferkkk?

I think i saw that one! I remember watching what may have been that episode as well as a few others and being so disgusted that i actually just stopped watching cops altogether. It shows cops for who they are which is nothing more then tools of the state to oppress minorities and the working class.
 
I think i saw that one! I remember watching what may have been that episode as well as a few others and being so disgusted that i actually just stopped watching cops altogether. It shows cops for who they are which is nothing more then tools of the state to oppress minorities and the working class.

Exactly, makes me wonder why they allow the show to run since anyone with half a brain can see what dickheads the cops are.
 
This is why you delete messages and if you are a dealer you change your number regularly and never use a cell or chip registered in your own name.
 
Exactly, makes me wonder why they allow the show to run since anyone with half a brain can see what dickheads the cops are.

Well your average viewer of such shows does not have the brain cells for critical thinking. We are told right from kindergarten that cops are the good guys so we are more or less brain washed right from the get go. The vast majority of people take this as a fact without question since questioning things leads to the use of brain cells and in anycase would distract them from the next mindless TV show that is coming on right after cops.

I remember another time when the cops arrested this guy for something or another and there where 4 pigs pinning this poor cunt down while screaming stop resisting! These cunts are sick i mean they must be. Who get's their jollies from beating on defenseless people and having a police force and a state to back you up? I bet these pigs cum in their pants anytime they get to beat on someone like that.
 
Well your average viewer of such shows does not have the brain cells for critical thinking. We are told right from kindergarten that the great leader, Kim Jong Un is the good guy so we are more or less brain washed right from the get go. The vast majority of people take this as a fact without question since questioning things leads to the use of brain cells

Fixed

Clarification: my point is that the good ol' US of A (and its rich friends, like Canada) is really not so terribly different than North Korea.
 
While we're on the subject of cops the tv show, I'd like to venture a guess that half the stuff that happens, only happens because they know they're on the show. The police that is.
You think an episode of them chilling in a parking lot and speed trapping people gets aired?
Hell no, half the time it opens up to them cruising around a neighborhood you know they never go into unless they're called.
 
Years ago on the tv show "cops" i saw a officer doing this.. the officer stopped a guy and found drugs in his car then answered his phone and said shes his gf and to come down and get it

intercepting a call is not as bad as making outgoing calls/texts posing as the dealer on a fishing trip
 
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