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Or the previous 1000 trips were LSD and this one statistical outlier is a completely different drug? Occam’s razor?
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Lysergamides Issy's first time on LSD crystal
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You just have to laugh sometimes don't you when like us both, clearly to a perceiving brain just genuine all out devoted psychonauts with interest and passion for our subjects, are called out as Trolls (worst of all IMO when you ARE legit as (still imperfect ofc) real gets, or company representatives lol.
Like, I was about 4 years ago, spreading good honest word over cannabis vaporization forums (with all things cannabis in the mix too) about a very high quality new then Titanium French desktop vaporizer called Herborizer.
Barely the world knew about it. Especially in US hesitant market to shop from France.
It was wrong, and I knew the Frenchman invented it, great guy.
I knew his product would beat most top global models. Some guy had to suggest I was working for Herborizer lol.
Well I abandoned that pursuit once word actually caught on like wildfire. It's official it's quality and people with enough cash want one, USA Spain wherever.
But this matter here, we are still conjecting so blindly after this time!
I wonder how the clearnet Lysergamides seem next to your crystal, per ug and overall.
That's an entirely open, no holes barred global operation they run.
The ALD-52 I got from them was spectacular.
If everytime a person tripped, they took that....
I couldn't have done it myself.
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Can't honestly say i feel you. I think regular LSD is gorgeous and deep at all doses i've tried. It's got a grandiosity that is hard to beat.
SSRI are known active compounds whose interference with the effect of LSD are quite well understood. Of course it doesn't need to be psychedelic to interact with a psychedelic. Neither does iso-LSD. But if iso-LSD had another activity that affects LSD, i think that would be explored by now. Not certain but it seems more likely.
FWIW, we're all calling these impurities "inactive". If we share that assumption, these impurities simply cannot be thought to affect the LSD high. Maybe you guys who believe in this should stop calling them just "inactive". It becomes self-contradictory. "Presumed inactive" seems to better convey your message.
I'm not denying the value of anyone's experiences either way.
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It's just about how to frame an experience. If you have the courage to honestly face what you experience and grow from it rather than hide from it, any trip can be good. Have you ever had terrifying/disturbing trips? I've had a number of them, and they suck to live through, but I came out stronger at the end and consider them among my most valuable of experiences.
The except to this, I think, is when people experience psychosis. But the majority of "bad trips" seem to involve people trying to suppress what they experienced, or even just people hearing horror stories and then telling themselves they had a bad trip and are now damaged, when they experienced something really difficult/terrifying.
One of my most important and best (in retrospect) trips ever was a +4 experience I had on 2C-E, where I believed I was dying, and furthermore, if I completed the dying process, would unmake the universe and restart the karmic cycle with the big bang. I considered killing myself to stop it, and thus, save the universe, but had just enough oversight over myself to ride it out.
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Although 'bad trips' can be very cathartic once you've assimilated the experience, there comes a point when you realise that you're beyond redemption. That's when shit gets dark.
The only option then is to turn your back on the healing power of psychedelics and attempt escape through mind numbing agents such as opiates and benzodiazepines.
Ignorance is bliss. One can be too 'enlightened'...
The only option then is to turn your back on the healing power of psychedelics and attempt escape through mind numbing agents such as opiates and benzodiazepines.
Ignorance is bliss. One can be too 'enlightened'...
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TELL me about it!
Too right in that sense as well. Like the cooking pot, you can add but taking away not so easy once that kilogram of salt goes in there.
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I'm the same. I never really rated LSD and found it a poor substitute for psilocybin mushrooms. But that's probably because the acid I was getting was either shit or underdosed. Also, I was too much of a pussy to go beyond one tab per trip because I never knew the dosage and quality. Whereas with mushrooms, you know what you're getting.
I've only had one acid trip that really stands out in my mind as 'exceptional' and that was a 'window pane' sometime in the 80s.
But all this talk of pure LSD is making my mouth water...
All I can suggest is give pure a go - I was the same never thought acid was in the same league as shrooms or 4aco - but pure LSD is a whole other animal. It is beyond spectacular. Just two 110mic blotters and I was laughing my bollocks off so hard walking round a field at sunset that a bloke stopped 100 yards away and looked at me.
Major differences in normal acid and DS crystal are
1) bodyhigh is incredible - none of that annoying rough/speeding. bodyload
2) An order of magnitude more psychedelic - my god - just walking through the countryside - I havnt seen beauty like that since my first big mushroom trips or on 200mg of 4acodmt.
3) The euphoria - never got much from usual acid with this you feel like you are walking with your head in the clouds.
4) The aftergow - Ive had depression all my life but crystal has fixed that.
5) No pain in the arse hammering speedy comedown - this is the most clear headed drug Ive ever taken.
6) I mean I could go on..
And its a relief cos I was almost bankrupt paying £120 a gram for 4aco...
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This thread really confuses the fuck out of me. This description sounds like every trip i”ve had in the last three years (provided I’ve waited a sensible time after the last one and am not taking it on the downside of a major meth binge..or in the middle of one).
But my LSD comes from 4 different dark web vendors in 4 different countries (not UK). I know some of it was sold as DS (and some as GG) but the experience is pretty consistent across all of it. I wouldn’t know the purity. But it’s all delivered god-level euphoria, matrix-level visual shifts, Impressionist-level colours, and easily moved into sleep when all done and left a lasting afterglow upon awakening. Not to mention the time shifts, the synaesthesia, and the increased sense of my own brilliance it delivers.
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How does it feel next to the clearnet Lysergamides like 1cP for example as 1P has an inherent underlying lack IMO but 1cP and others I rate v highly for cleaness, potency, depth.
Only remember trying al-lad, maybe 1p once maybe but cant remember much about 1p. Wasnt keen on the al-lad seemed very confusing.
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AL LAD is unique, v different type of effect.
It's actually very popular. For being so mentally easy, untaxing, fun!
I took it twice. With others. But I still clearly saw it. It's a very nice, pleasant colourful overlay.
Not intense at all like the more respected ETH LAD.
Of all, 1P is bottom for me. Molecular weight wise too, 100 mics is abput 83 of effective LSD.
1cP is fully equipotent it seems. I rate it. I don't think of it as anything other than LSD.
All tabs Ive had have been consistently dosed too. 100 mics really delivers.
25 works.
They run a fully legal no risks, limitations op too in Holland, was UK til 2016 pah lol, asshole govts!
The tabs to me, seem so accurately and fully dosed/layed.
First time I took 1P myself actually Jan 2019. 200 mics.
I expected a while to roam house, activities, gradual rise to 1.5 hours really aware peak about 5 hours.
It shocked me. Under 5 minutes, no time eveb to sit down think was coming on surprisingly strong and fast.
30 minutes was full tripping. It surprised me.
But 1cP is way superior for me, no way to tell apart from 25, and it's fully dosed at 100 mics.
I just figured ages back, those Chemists must be manufacturing some very pure crystal. Their laying process is professional as it gets it seems.
They sell the pure tartrate, upon request for same exact price as laid blotters too.
Well Atomic ...thanks for actually describing an accurate description of what the acid is like.....that you are experiencing.Quality sounds quite decent.Would question the accuracy of mics on the blotters...explains why folk take a few.But that dosent matter as long as you get there.Cost of production access to precursors all come into play .
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Thanks @AussieJoe. I also think it is important for people reading this thread to know that the LSD experience is HIGHLY variable even when you are taking blotters from the same sheet. And this is not just because of potential hotspots on the sheet due to inaccurate laying (although that does happen).
I don’t know what the actual ug dosage is on any of my acid. Almost all of it was advertised as 100 or 115 ug. In general these tabs seem about the same strength across different vendors (but maybe they are all laying under dosed sheets of 50 ug - who can’t tell? There is no practical way to have the stuff quantitatively tested that I’ve ever been able to find).
For a non-tolerant person one tab of this stuff usually delivers most of the experience I described above. I would never give an inexperienced user more than one. However, the relative intensity and importance of each element of the experience absolutely varies from trip to trip off the same tab and from person to person. Taking it after dawn on a beautiful Spring morning and going for a walk in the bush will give a very different experience to taking it at 3 AM in bed with a Korean hooker in a room full of disco lights while listening to The Avenor. Change just the music or the lighting and it will deliver you something else entirely again. But recreate that setting exactly the same way a few weeks later and it might be different again.
Personally, I usually take 3-5 tabs if I am tripping alone v- but I like my ego to be knocked on its arse for a couple of hours. I would expect that an equivalent dose of this ‘pure’ acid being discussed in this thread would have ego impacts also. That’s just something acid does - we’ve known that ever since it was invented.
If people want to unpack differences between their special ‘pure’ acid and what they believe is the ‘impure’ acid that most people only ever experience I suggest reading the medical/scientific research papers beginning in the 1950s/ 0s) lliterally thousands - though low quality scientifically) and now starting again in the present day. These studies mostly used pharmaceutical grade Sandoz LSD back then and an equivalent product in the modern day. Take into consideration the fact that a lab setting very different to walk in the park - and you’ll find descriptions not dissimilar to what I have described regarding the acid I have been sourcing from around the world.
We never knew what the dosage ug was in the microdots domes pyramids windowpane or plain white blotter in the very early 70s was or even thought about it lol.I found the microdots all pretty much the same regardless of colour ...orange barrel only had 2 of them ....and black barrel one of them both pretty close ...the windowpane consistently the same ...fkn very strong .Im not one to say the Lsd i had in the 70s is superior ...lsd is lsd if its synth properly...only difference would be the strength of doses were higher .I heard of ppl splitting window panes in 4 and each person had a pretty good .pysychedelic journey back in the day ....Fantastic unbelievable journeys .We used to joke about lsd just being available to anyone and everyone ...how it would put the airlines out of business ...why jump on a plane when you can fly through the cosmos...enough nostalgia ...peace to all ...enjoy 🖒
I'm with you atomic but I would also suggest that the people in the study add a big variability factor to it that can't be related directly to the acid. I'd imagine 90-95% of the people in all of those studies from the 50's onwards had very little experience tripping. Maybe it was their first or second time. In addition almost all of them knew little, if anything, about what tripping is. What value their opinion on acid is I'm not sure - I would guess it's worth next to nothing.
Then you need to factor in the quality of the study itself (and the knowledge of the people running it) - most of these studies were simple questionaire type responses "Did you see colours?!, "Did you feel a bit scared?". I've rarely found a psychedelic study that can even distuingish between mushrooms/LSD/mescaline - because they simply don't know enough about the drugs to ask the right questions.
Then you have to factor in almost every study from at least 1966 onwards was funded by the DEA in an attempt to demonise drugs - if your study came up saying "Trippings fucking fantastic" your funding was removed.
So I dunno - I'm pretty convinced that me and you and some other people on this board who have spent a lifetime tripping are a more reliable source of information about psychedelic drugs than every scientific study that's ever been done.
I used to think LSD is LSD but that was before I tried real LSD. Real LSD is as different to the shit quaity LSD I've been taking for the last 20 years as mushrooms are. Absolutely nothing in common. A totally different experience.
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every crystal has its own unqiue sutble undertones aswell.
The highest quality LSD should have the person under its effect totally clear headed on any amount of UG. My mate was tripping fucking mad balls and to me it seemed like he was fucking sober the entire night he even had a full blown ego death on my couch where he went mute for 30 minutes and came back talking.
I even use to mix different quality blotters together and get totally unique effects on those trips.
I laugh my ass off when people say LSD is LSD when the fucking sciencetists have not a single fucking insight into how LSD works on the brain.