crzydiamond
Bluelighter
I want to do a quick sub detox....but I have a problem with it...any thoughts would be appreciated...
I have 2 3/4 strips of sub. I have a moderate habit--h, fent, oxy, etc. (prefer oral fentanyl but only one brand--nongel sandoz--actually works that way. I do about one half of a 75 mcg patch over about 2 days, half the patch makes about 5 strips for me). If I am only doing h I do like 3 bags at a time, like 2-4 times a day. Here's my issue, and I have read and read others' experiences but I don't find anything like mine!! I cannot make the switch to sub!! I WANT to do a quick detox but I ended up in precipitated WD both times I tried. First time was my fault--didn't understand how it worked and took in the morning after dosing the night before (maybe 12 hours later), and when I was merely uncomfortable, not in bad WD. I did some reading on here and learned what happened. So...
The second time I waited 36 hours after my last dose...and that was a 2 bag of h dose at like 8 pm. I took 1 mg of sub at 10 am the day after next. Felt worse. Thought maybe I needed more, so took another 1 mg. At that point I went into all WD symptoms, was running for bathroom! I was taking about 10-12 mg of loperamide each day after stopping h though...I imagine that was the problem? Honestly after the 36 hours I didn't feel good but I was not in severe WD, could function but exhausted and had minor WD. I had work so I thought if I took a small amount of sub I would be good to go to work. WRONG! Ended up feeling 100 times worse, called off work, tried fentanyl and it did NOTHING (that precip WD is NO joke!), tried h after about 4 hours of misery and it helped a little--enough to stay off the toilet and stop throwing up. I couldn't feel the effects of any opiate properly for about 2 days. I know everyone's chemistry is different, but it really surprised me to be in precip WD after only taking immodium, and only 10-12 mg per day. And like I said, the bupe affected me for another 2 days as a blocker. All I want to do is get off of everything. I have tapered down a lot over past few months. I just can't do cold turkey--i have done that in the past with both h and methadone. But I have too many responsibilities to be able to take 3-5 days to lay around n suffer. I have to be able to function. Thus, thought that the sub in small doses could prevent the worst of the WD. Obviously other people manage to get onto it. I just can't seem to get a first dose without feeling worse than when i take it. Any thought from some people who may have had similar experiences?
Side thought: well, the experience confirmed that lope helps more than GI issues. Yes after the sub the first and worst thing to hit was the shits n throwing up, but also got hit with killer RLS and chills...guess I know on me at least that lope works. And not in a big dose either. I wished that day that after 36 of nothing but lope I wished I had kept going on that instead of taking the sub.
I'm on about a year and a half of daily opiate use after about 9 years clean. Before that was about 7 years of MMT and before that about 4 years of progressive use
I just want to kick the physical part of wd. I know how to deal with the rest. I kicked 30 mg methadone cold turkey (not fun but that's another topic). I just can't seem to get off the opiates. That 36 hours was the most opiate free in a year and a half. I want to use the sub like other ppl to short term kick but
Im so freaking frustrated at this point. Any comments??
I have 2 3/4 strips of sub. I have a moderate habit--h, fent, oxy, etc. (prefer oral fentanyl but only one brand--nongel sandoz--actually works that way. I do about one half of a 75 mcg patch over about 2 days, half the patch makes about 5 strips for me). If I am only doing h I do like 3 bags at a time, like 2-4 times a day. Here's my issue, and I have read and read others' experiences but I don't find anything like mine!! I cannot make the switch to sub!! I WANT to do a quick detox but I ended up in precipitated WD both times I tried. First time was my fault--didn't understand how it worked and took in the morning after dosing the night before (maybe 12 hours later), and when I was merely uncomfortable, not in bad WD. I did some reading on here and learned what happened. So...
The second time I waited 36 hours after my last dose...and that was a 2 bag of h dose at like 8 pm. I took 1 mg of sub at 10 am the day after next. Felt worse. Thought maybe I needed more, so took another 1 mg. At that point I went into all WD symptoms, was running for bathroom! I was taking about 10-12 mg of loperamide each day after stopping h though...I imagine that was the problem? Honestly after the 36 hours I didn't feel good but I was not in severe WD, could function but exhausted and had minor WD. I had work so I thought if I took a small amount of sub I would be good to go to work. WRONG! Ended up feeling 100 times worse, called off work, tried fentanyl and it did NOTHING (that precip WD is NO joke!), tried h after about 4 hours of misery and it helped a little--enough to stay off the toilet and stop throwing up. I couldn't feel the effects of any opiate properly for about 2 days. I know everyone's chemistry is different, but it really surprised me to be in precip WD after only taking immodium, and only 10-12 mg per day. And like I said, the bupe affected me for another 2 days as a blocker. All I want to do is get off of everything. I have tapered down a lot over past few months. I just can't do cold turkey--i have done that in the past with both h and methadone. But I have too many responsibilities to be able to take 3-5 days to lay around n suffer. I have to be able to function. Thus, thought that the sub in small doses could prevent the worst of the WD. Obviously other people manage to get onto it. I just can't seem to get a first dose without feeling worse than when i take it. Any thought from some people who may have had similar experiences?
Side thought: well, the experience confirmed that lope helps more than GI issues. Yes after the sub the first and worst thing to hit was the shits n throwing up, but also got hit with killer RLS and chills...guess I know on me at least that lope works. And not in a big dose either. I wished that day that after 36 of nothing but lope I wished I had kept going on that instead of taking the sub.
I'm on about a year and a half of daily opiate use after about 9 years clean. Before that was about 7 years of MMT and before that about 4 years of progressive use
I just want to kick the physical part of wd. I know how to deal with the rest. I kicked 30 mg methadone cold turkey (not fun but that's another topic). I just can't seem to get off the opiates. That 36 hours was the most opiate free in a year and a half. I want to use the sub like other ppl to short term kick but
Im so freaking frustrated at this point. Any comments??