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Bupe Issue with rapid opiate detox using bupe/side note of precipitated wd from loperamide

crzydiamond

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I want to do a quick sub detox....but I have a problem with it...any thoughts would be appreciated...
I have 2 3/4 strips of sub. I have a moderate habit--h, fent, oxy, etc. (prefer oral fentanyl but only one brand--nongel sandoz--actually works that way. I do about one half of a 75 mcg patch over about 2 days, half the patch makes about 5 strips for me). If I am only doing h I do like 3 bags at a time, like 2-4 times a day. Here's my issue, and I have read and read others' experiences but I don't find anything like mine!! I cannot make the switch to sub!! I WANT to do a quick detox but I ended up in precipitated WD both times I tried. First time was my fault--didn't understand how it worked and took in the morning after dosing the night before (maybe 12 hours later), and when I was merely uncomfortable, not in bad WD. I did some reading on here and learned what happened. So...
The second time I waited 36 hours after my last dose...and that was a 2 bag of h dose at like 8 pm. I took 1 mg of sub at 10 am the day after next. Felt worse. Thought maybe I needed more, so took another 1 mg. At that point I went into all WD symptoms, was running for bathroom! I was taking about 10-12 mg of loperamide each day after stopping h though...I imagine that was the problem? Honestly after the 36 hours I didn't feel good but I was not in severe WD, could function but exhausted and had minor WD. I had work so I thought if I took a small amount of sub I would be good to go to work. WRONG! Ended up feeling 100 times worse, called off work, tried fentanyl and it did NOTHING (that precip WD is NO joke!), tried h after about 4 hours of misery and it helped a little--enough to stay off the toilet and stop throwing up. I couldn't feel the effects of any opiate properly for about 2 days. I know everyone's chemistry is different, but it really surprised me to be in precip WD after only taking immodium, and only 10-12 mg per day. And like I said, the bupe affected me for another 2 days as a blocker. All I want to do is get off of everything. I have tapered down a lot over past few months. I just can't do cold turkey--i have done that in the past with both h and methadone. But I have too many responsibilities to be able to take 3-5 days to lay around n suffer. I have to be able to function. Thus, thought that the sub in small doses could prevent the worst of the WD. Obviously other people manage to get onto it. I just can't seem to get a first dose without feeling worse than when i take it. Any thought from some people who may have had similar experiences?

Side thought: well, the experience confirmed that lope helps more than GI issues. Yes after the sub the first and worst thing to hit was the shits n throwing up, but also got hit with killer RLS and chills...guess I know on me at least that lope works. And not in a big dose either. I wished that day that after 36 of nothing but lope I wished I had kept going on that instead of taking the sub.

I'm on about a year and a half of daily opiate use after about 9 years clean. Before that was about 7 years of MMT and before that about 4 years of progressive use
I just want to kick the physical part of wd. I know how to deal with the rest. I kicked 30 mg methadone cold turkey (not fun but that's another topic). I just can't seem to get off the opiates. That 36 hours was the most opiate free in a year and a half. I want to use the sub like other ppl to short term kick but
Im so freaking frustrated at this point. Any comments??
 
you said you waited "x" number of hours both times before taking the subs but were you in W/D before you took them?
 
yes but to be honest i would characterize it as mild..uncomfortable, exhausted, that "throw-up" feeling in the back of throat, etc....but not horribly. i had to go to work and figured it was going to progress from there. but i imagine i should have waited until i was in worse wd. It's the mentality I guess....if I feel like crap and think i can take something to feel better it's hard to resist lol. All I have concluded is that I am going to try to come off using just the lope, and if I get to the point I'm crawling the walls, then take the sub. It just sucks, I read about all these people on here who start feeling bad, then take the sub, and feel good again and it doesn't happen for me. I wish I had like 5 days that I didn't have to function with all of life's responsibilites, i could ride it out. no such luck though....
 
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