Israel is under attack

[Jen X]

So much madness going on just now with this.

Here in the UK people being arrested for protesting Free Palestine.

Meanwhile in Canada someone was arrested for saying Hamas are terrorists.

The whole thing seems to be being used to withdraw free speech in the West.

Well they are terrorist. But ya we are slowly losing right to free speech.
A new bill is going through taking more rights away under the guise its for our safety
I need to read it but one thing stuck out was life in prison for words.
Sadly few Canadians have the balls to fight the government. You're already labeled a racist if you say anything anti immigration.
I have a trip next month and I'm seriously looking into moving to another country

 

[Jabberwocky]

The guy kinda has a point, lol. He didn't steal their house, Israel did.

But this is what I'm talking about with the internet. This clip is designed to inject things in your brain. "Ongoing Nakba... ethnic cleansing". It's not really about that person's house, it's designed to plant broad ideas paired with strong emotions into your mind.

Why is only one side using those words? If Hamas had their way, they would ethnically cleanse all Jews. Oct 7th was an attempted genocide. Their mission statement is to kill all Jews. But any anti-Israel media conveniently ignores that.

 

[Electrum1]

That clip is years old. 99% sure it's from before the current war started, for what it's worth

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

yeah I tried to do fact check (did not get beneath any reddit comment tho) and you are definitely right, apparently some NYC guy.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

It seems like the internet has radically polarized every major political event. Anyone else notice that?

Especially after covid. Each side digs in. Each side has their own stream of information and basically refuses to acknowledge anything from the other side.

Is political discourse dead? Is nuance dead?

yeah look at my post

Yeah Turkeys governments endorsement is as useless as USAs.

I responded with admitting the shared ground, but did not stop there.

 

[Jabberwocky]

 

[Jabberwocky]

The internet makes people wilfully ignorant and then gives them a pedestal to preach their ignorance. I think we've only got 20-30 years left as a species.

 

[Electrum1]

Community Notes was the best addition to Twitter. It's great

 

[swilow]

Community Notes was the best addition to Twitter. It's great

But should still be taken with a grain of salt imo

 

[Burnt Offerings]

The guy kinda has a point, lol. He didn't steal their house, Israel did.

But this is what I'm talking about with the internet. This clip is designed to inject things in your brain. "Ongoing Nakba... ethnic cleansing". It's not really about that person's house, it's designed to plant broad ideas paired with strong emotions into your mind.

Why is only one side using those words? If Hamas had their way, they would ethnically cleanse all Jews. Oct 7th was an attempted genocide. Their mission statement is to kill all Jews. But any anti-Israel media conveniently ignores that.

Most of the “mainstream” American media has been pretty supportive of Israel’s activities. It has only been recently that ANY sort of even mild critique has been voiced regarding what they are doing.

Media that is either firmly pro or anti, of course they will ignore or downplay what doesn’t fit conveniently into their narrative. That’s what propagandists do.

There will just be more ugliness and savagery into perpetuity. Just look at September 11th here in the USA, that was decades ago and we’re STILL living with the reverberations of that one day. I’ve lived through a fair number of periodic flairs in the conflict over the years but I’ve never seen anything like this before in that area. It seems pretty evident to me that the Israelis have closed their hearts to pity…it’s even completely understandable, anyone who’s ever been hurt by another person and feels the sudden compelling desire to hurt them back as bad or worse can relate. But the mindset that some people seem to have, that there are no “innocent civilians”, that women are just factories for future Hamas terrorists and that children are just terrorists yet to be, that kind of thinking won’t lead to anything good.

Whenever one side or the other revels in dehumanization, savagery & sadistic violence, there will always be events in the less-than-a-century lifespan of the state of Israel to justify that kind of behavior. Take your pick. Some of the images I’ve seen coming out of the entire conflict (often released by the perpetrators themselves, with pride), since it kicked off on October 7th, have reminded me a bit of the photos from Abu Ghraib prison, just as dark and sickening as shit gets basically

 

[mal3volent]

Most of the “mainstream” American media has been pretty supportive of Israel’s activities. It has only been recently that ANY sort of even mild critique has been voiced regarding what they are doing.

That's interesting, because they all ran the fake hospital bombing story knowing it was supplied by Hamas. And for months after, have continued reporting death counts by the same terrorist-controlled source. I don't know how much of this thread you've read, but that is all very well documented here.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/23/gaza-hospital-new-york-times-00122986

Several news outlets, including The Times, Reuters and The Associated Press faced criticism for publishing Hamas’ viewpoint prominently in articles and on social media. POLITICO initially published the Associated Press’ report on Hamas blaming Israel, then quickly updated the article to reflect AP’s new reporting that Israel had disputed the allegation.

As with anything, there are outlets that skew to the left and right. But all the "institutional" powers have been firmly critical of Israel from the beginning. No other nation, after facing the deadliest terror attack in its history, would have received as much scrutiny. No other nation in history has gone to the lengths Israel did warning civilians to evacuate. Please find the analysis from an expert in that field I referenced recently. He actually criticized Israel for establishing a precedent that would be too difficult for others to replicate in the future.

just as dark and sickening as shit gets basically

I wonder if you are referring to the same images and video I've seen. Civilians having their heads hacked off with shovels. Young men forced at gun point to murder their neighbors. Women tied up in the back of trucks, pants torn and bloodied, being paraded through cheering crowds.

 

[RhythmSpring]

The game of "Who's had it worse" never ends well.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

The guy kinda has a point, lol. He didn't steal their house, Israel did.

I have really hard time imagining this guy was living so deep in the barrel they had no idea or could have no idea the country they are migrating to is practicing apartheid. Even if they didn't, there is still apparent conflict of interest going on, they wants to dismiss. They should go after Israel government if they are pissed off.

They has not got solid point.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I never said it was a good point, but it is a point.

The woman kept saying you are stealing my house. Even naming him.

He responds by saying that if it wasn't him, someone else would take it. Which is true. He didn't steal it, Israel did.

That's the "point" I was referencing. More of a technicality.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

As with anything, there are outlets that skew to the left and right. But all the "institutional" powers have been firmly critical of Israel from the beginning.

“From the beginning”? From the beginning, in this case, would be since October 7th. Can you honestly tell me that in the days following all of the institutional news bureaus here in the USA were “firmly critical” of Israel?

I wonder if you are referring to the same images and video I've seen. Civilians having their heads hacked off with shovels. Young men forced at gun point to murder their neighbors. Women tied up in the back of trucks, pants torn and bloodied, being paraded through cheering crowds.

Since I said this

since it kicked off on October 7th

yeah, I probably am including such material in that statement

 

[mal3volent]

From the beginning”? From the beginning, in this case, would be since October 7th. Can you honestly tell me that in the days following all of the institutional news bureaus here in the USA were “firmly critical” of Israel?

So your response to my entire post is pinning me down on a semantic gotcha? I figured "from the beginning" would be understood to mean "from the beginning of Israel's military campaign". Since it was their military response we were discussing, I thought. I don't see how any of this matters though , whether the criticism began on Oct 7 or Oct 27? You claimed it only started "recently". The fake hospital story that everyone ran was on October 17. So again, I don't understand your point in all this.

Since I said this

you also said this: "have reminded me a bit of the photos from Abu Ghraib prison"

That's a pretty specific description that points to a specific incident:

Now they are indelible: an enduring cause for rage among Palestinians and anger in the region. For some, they stir echoes of the tableaus of torture that emerged during the Iraq War from the U.S.-run detention center at Abu Ghraib prison.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/13/gaza-palestinian-detainee-photos-israel/

The images and videos have caused global outrage and comparisons of Israeli actions to the US “rendition” programme and torture at black sites, Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and Guantanamo detention centre, as well as to the genocidal practices of Serb militias in the Bosnian war.

Fact or fiction: Is Israel really rounding up ‘Hamas fighters’?

Or is it just humiliating Palestinian civilian men and boys and broadcasting it to the world to dehumanise them?

www.aljazeera.com

So I think my question was very valid. Were we thinking of the same images and videos. Based on that description, we weren't. No prisoners were decapitated, raped, or forced to kill at abu ghraib prison.

 

[nepalnt21]

it's pretty wild that anyone would think the major news outlets haven't been towing the line for israel.

 

[mal3volent]

it's pretty wild that anyone would think the major news outlets haven't been towing the line for israel.

Wow, such a well supported argument. You really put some effort into that.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Um, the airdrops are being coordinated BY Israel. Why are you pretending as though that isn't the case?

By all reports, from everyone, and by the actions of others it's been clear that all these countries are forced to airdrop and even build a pier for that ship because Israel is blocking almost all aid via land.

It's clear to everyone that aid via land and trucks is much better and easier but Israel just won't let them in.

Its disingenuous to pretend Israel is coordinating anything that wouldn't even be necessary if they'd just allow aid trucks.

Apparently 100s of thousands are starving and because the attacker is zo benevolent and so good at limiting civilian casualties they have to resort to airdropping... Its only Israel preventing trucks from driving in..

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

Airdrops and aid via ships is exactly what it seems like, it's countries saying this can't go on, Israel is insane for blocking everything so we'll go behind their backs.

Israel cant in good faith also block those, that would actually seem genocidal.