Buzz Lightbeer
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I just know I'm on the right track when I'm on the exact opposite side from @Snafu in the Void 
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Jabberwocky
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That's not saying much, I'm an idiot.
mal3volent
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Just leave it man, there's no point.
These people, you'll never get them to understand.
If someone thinks the killing is justified because destroying Hamas is the purpose, then they'll never change their mind, it will not happen.
Maybe it's the same the other way around, but the numbers are the numbers and there's plenty of proof that a large part of the Israeli government are total nutjobs who won't stop. And the key difference with Hamas is that they can execute, Hamas has no shot.
We're on the right side of history, I guess that's all that matters right
can you help me out Buzz? I keep hearing the phrase ethnic cleansing, but no one can ever answer which ethnicity it is that is being cleansed?
It's almost as if the idpol folks in the west have latched on to the phrase as a way of leveraging peoples emotions.
I mean, if you look at actual historical instances of ethnic cleansing and genocide they aren't precipitated by terror attacks and hostage-taking, are they?
Buzz Lightbeer
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I don't care for the terminology either man if I'm honest, same with genocide. Something for the courts to decide. And I mean, when used it will always quickly separate the two camps who will immediately disregard anything the other says, counterproductive.
I don't think there's any ethnical cleansing or genocide happening right now. I do like the term apartheid, and if many of the extreme Zionists in the Israeli government get their way it will result in all Palestinians gone from their land, is this cleansing? I dont know, I'm not up to date on the terminology.
This is the first definition I found on Google: "the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another."
So I think the question is just off, seems not to be about ethnicities per se, but ethnicities in an area, so Arabs in Palestine in this case.
Buzz Lightbeer
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Oh, I forgot to read this part, apologies.
This is probably true, but then again, historical instances of ethnic cleansing and genocide are often preceded by years of apartheid however
Even you gotta admit that there a lot of apartheid tendencies. Or maybe you think it's a chicken and egg problem. I think it's the chicken
what I don't really see the pattern, I think Snafu is just chaotic randomI just know I'm on the right track when I'm on the exact opposite side from @Snafu in the Void
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"I keep hearing the phrase ethnic cleansing but no one can ever answer which ethnicity it is that is being cleansed"
is just long way to express you don't care what has been pointed out already multiple times and that one person reluctant to playing your games for thousandth time is equal to dismissing it all for you.
While being hesitant to completely immerse myself into this nutjob of thread, I am glad to see genocide/war crime deniers being pretty much cornered after all, left with crippled one-liners that won't tolerate any closer inspection. They just have to catch up with everything that has happened. Of course this reads like pigeon shitting on the chess table to those that have not won the argument, and my way of recognising the situation reads like arrogant attempt to hijack the course of conversation, but really, I am just glad that we seem to actually have destinated somewhere, even if it happened so god damn slowly.
swilow
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Tbh not much that you or anyone has said has convinced me that genocide is happening. Maybe this is a "crippled one liner" but none of you have answered how a growing population like Palestinians are being genocided. And there is the inherent bias in calling this genocide even before the conflict really kicked off and then using the conflict as the main evidence of genocide. That is confirmation bias. Not saying you've done this, but others have.
I get the feeling that you think this is an emotive argument with too much sunk cost to withdraw from, but I'm telling you, and have tried to in countless posts most of which are ignored, why I believe what I do. I'm not doing it in bad faith or to avoid losing an online debate- I think the facts support what I'm saying. It's not even as simplistic as supporting Israel, its about understanding the truth about Hamas and what sort of existential threat jihadist fanatics represent any Western oriented society.
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proof that you can just make stuff up with no basis in reality
collective punishment, prohibited under one of the geneva conventions
nepalnt21
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by making yourself look silly?
Ethnicity - Wikipedia
it's a pretty nebulous concept, and i'm waiting for you to make a valid point as to how it's not ethnic cleansing.
You just don't read the shit you are pointed or somehow neglect all the content of what you read
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it's amazing how @swilow keeps doubling down on that really shitty nonpoint, for like months now
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Jabberwocky
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Hamas' mission statement is to ethnically cleanse every Jewish person on earth.
What would you have done if you were Netanyahoo after Oct 7th?
What would you have done if you were Netanyahoo after Oct 7th?
Mjäll
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Why do jewish associations want muslims including jihadists in Western nations?
Why sympathize with Israel? Why take a side in this?
swilow
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How is it a shitty point? Becauaebgoes right to the heart of your claim and totally undercuts it. Maybe I'm too stupid to understand, but please use simple language and explain genocide and ethnic cleansing in light of the huge population growth in Gaza. I keep mentioning the point because you guys insist that somehow bulldozing graveyards is similar to, say, the Holocaust.
You guys keep acting like you've already made your arguments and its on me to just find them and understand. I'm saying you haven't made your arguments well at all. It all just seems like antisemitism to me.
the links can be clicked with the mouse cursor and they will open up in your browser.They still have much to lose; not everyone is against them globally as of yet; which also makes their position a lot better in international court against charges of genocide. And fascists also could lose support in their own country, because a lot of Israeli people are suspicious or hostile towards their own government and army. Not fucking up everything also costs way less bombs. There also possibly isn't enough reason to kill every single one, if political and other goals are achieved otherwise. Think about it; fascists like enemies. It distracts people from real issues. So why would you even want to kill everyone, then? Just keep the population barely alive for annual bloodbath or whatever people want. This argumentation of yours is really weak, as is calling ad hominem my hint to get your head out of your ass. It is a really long stretch.
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WHAT IS GENOCIDE?
The 1948 Genocide Convention defines genocide as crimes committed "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such."
Three cases so far have met international courts' threshold: the Cambodian Khmer Rouge's slaughter of minority Cham people and Vietnamese in the 1970s, who were among an estimated 1.7 million dead; the 1994 mass killing of Tutsis in Rwanda that left 800,000 dead; and the 1995 Srebrenica massacre of some 8,000 Muslim men and boys in Bosnia.
Criminal acts comprising genocide include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, creating conditions calculated to destroy them, preventing births, or forcibly transferring children to other groups.
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Why genocide is hard to prove
With the rise of the term “genocide,” scholars began to use it for historic mass atrocities like the Gold Rush-era mass murders of Native Californians by Anglo settlers, China’s sterilisation of its Uyghur minority in 2020, and the Ottoman Empire’s slaughter of as many as 1.2 million Armenian Christians in 1915 and 1916.
Still, far fewer mass barbarities have been designated genocide under international law. While the law is clear about what constitutes a genocide, its critics argue that the legal standard for genocide is so specific that it is almost never applicable to mass killings or brutal acts perpetrated against a group.
According to the UN, “The intent is most difficult to determine....Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group.”
How genocide is defined—and why it’s so difficult to prove
The gravest of international crimes was outlawed in the 1940s after the atrocities of the Holocaust. But it took decades to convict anyone of genocide—and the...www.nationalgeographic.co.uk
If it looks like a genocide, smells like a genocide and tastes like a genocide, it probably is genocide.
Does someone do that? Even if that was irrelevant point, I want to see you quoting where someone has claimed bulldozing graveyards is similar to holocaust of jews during WWII and before that. I pointed out that bulldozing graveyards is one of the genocidal acts in the long list of genocidal acts that makes genocidal act to look like genocidal act, and only connection was that what happened in the german in 1929-1945 was genocidal act and I did not directly even refer to that as far as I can remember. If you want further proof or argumentation of genocidal acts, move the mouse cursor over my account name and press left mouse button. Then, you can, applying the same mechanics of mouse and interface function, select "latest activity" or "postings" and open in the new tab everything that I have said in this thread over time by clicking the right mouse button, hovering over the correct title whatever it is in your preferred language in the panel that has opened up, and pressing left mouse button. You can also do that with anyone else that has contributed to thread over 183 pages. You can also simply just read all over the whole thread. I am no certain repeating what has already proven to be useless is making any difference only because it is repeated tho.
I am sorry I might have acted like this was figured out once I stepped into the zone again as white knight or something, even if everything was figured out in the first 10 pages.
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Mjäll
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Nothing has been figured out. People are still taking sides in this middle east bullshit.
Maybe one or two of them are Israeli or Palestinian but most are silly westerners who cannot recognize and accomodate for actual seriousness and therefore treat this conflict like a football game instead of a real tragedy and expression of mutual collective immaturity.
Maybe one or two of them are Israeli or Palestinian but most are silly westerners who cannot recognize and accomodate for actual seriousness and therefore treat this conflict like a football game instead of a real tragedy and expression of mutual collective immaturity.
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