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Hamas hijacks the humanitarian food aid and takes it into their tunnels

The whole thing is set up to be a neverending war. Look at the population of Palestine and it's obvious they've been breeding as much as possible.

It will go on forever like this because there is no shortage of weapons or cannon fodder. This has to be good business for the IDF and then also Qatar/Iran/whoever else is funding Hamas also probably most likely own weapons companies themselves.

I've heard my barber saying that it's all really for access to the Suez canal which America/Israel have a vested interest in Hadn't heard of this theory until recently but i think it's at least clear this whole thing was pre planned to pop off againthis year anyway one way or another.
 
Bread, circus and enemies. Someone said that if Israel hadn't enemies, the current government would collapse rapidly. Don't know about local politics that well, but makes sense.
 
I've heard my barber saying that it's all really for access to the Suez canal which America/Israel have a vested interest in Hadn't heard of this theory until recently but i think it's at least clear this whole thing was pre planned to pop off againthis year anyway one way or another
I saw that a bunch of the ships are now going around the bottom of Africa. That could really turn into something

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Bread, circus and enemies. Someone said that if Israel hadn't enemies, the current government would collapse rapidly. Don't know about local politics that well, but makes sense.

Yeah i think the Israeli's themselves wanted Netenyahu out. But the IDF have used the October 7th attacks to guarantee he remains in power.

With his staying in the role of Israeli PM. And the aformentioned foreign influences profiteering from the war Saudi, Qatar, Iran or whoever. I doubt Hamas are going anywhere anytime soon either.

I saw that a bunch of the ships are now going around the bottom of Africa. That could really turn into something

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Yeah i'm unsure who really controls the canal at the moment. I do remember that big Chinese ship getting caught there reeking havoc last year though. There's no doubt someone gaining further control there and smoother shipping being guaranteed would be massively profitable when you look at all the oil production in the region.
 
Insurance companies that insure container ships obviously jacked their prices up, so that'll backfire or they'll make a lot
 
I've heard my barber saying that it's all really for access to the Suez canal which America/Israel have a vested interest in Hadn't heard of this theory until recently but i think it's at least clear this whole thing was pre planned to pop off againthis year anyway one way or another
China probably has an equal or higher stake in cost effective shipping through the Suez. That particular situation will probably resolve the moment China tells their Iranian buddies to reel the Houthis in.

The situation in Gaza is more like a proxy war between the west and Iran. I can vaguely understand westerners supporting the palestinians in spirit if not action, but I'm finding it harder to believe that these same folks could extend that to tolerance to the Iranian theocracy.
 
yeah, but "jew" only does not refer to religion but into nation too. And no one chooses which nationality they born into. Jews face unfair amount of discrimination anyway.

It's a religion that's really into the concept of "nation" etc. It's part of the lingo of that religion.

No one chooses what religion they're born into either. But the bullshit has to die some day.
 
Ap press is blinded by their retarded police beliefs. ŴW1, WW2, Russian Civil War, Vietnam, Syria and Isis, the Cambodian khmer Rouge revolution, Rwanda, the 3 Congo wars(5 million dead). The American Civil War, Chinese Civil War, Ghengis khan( probably misspelled) but up to 20 million dead. Russia in Ukraine. Italy under Mussolini invadinding Ethiopia and dozens more, some with 10's of millions dead. Check history books and Wikipedia. There too many worse wars to list.
 
It's amazing how often some of you keep saying Israel is fighting in some orderly manner and being really nice and telling people to move to safety before they attack. Like they're being kind and showing some compassion - that this compassion somehow justifies the collective punishment of every Palestinian.

You do realise the Israeli army has repeatedly bombed these safe zones? It's not just me saying it - they've done it over and over again.

Also, see a previous post where the mass killing of just about any Palestinian is, indeed, part of their military strategy. It isn't a secret and has never been a secret.

(here: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ic-infrastructure-economy-civilian-casualties)

So, just make your points a bit clearer - you support the genocide of the Palestinian people. Let's not mince words here, it would be nice to hear you actually admit what you're either too blind to see - or just refuse to accept?

Most sane people will equate Israel = genocide. Or maybe you can explain how they won't? Give me some plausible reason why someone might say "Hey, sure, they wiped out a ton of civilians and left them all homeless and starving for years - but it was all justified in the end. Just look at how good things are now!"

How do we get to that good part where they all live in peace? Just give me, and many others like me, that one glimmer of hope that this genocide will somehow be justified?

I'll be damned if I can think of anything.
 
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You do realise the Israeli army has repeatedly bombed these safe zones? It's not just me saying it - they've done it over and over again.
Because Hamas also flees to those safe zones. That's who Hamas is.

Most sane people will equate Israel = genocide. Or maybe you can explain how they won't? Give me some plausible reason why someone might say "Hey, sure, they wiped out a ton of civilians and left them all homeless and starving for years - but it was all justified in the end. Just look at how good things are now!"

For maybe the 20th time, the Palestiian population has massively grown over the last 20 years. That is not what a genocide is.

The poverty and horrendous living conditions that predate this conflict are not the fault of Israel. Israel withdrew from Gaza and basically said 'you want a Palestinian state, here you go'. Hamas were elected and have ground the Palestinian people into the dirt while it's leaders became billionaires and launched endless rocket attacks at Israel. I won't deny that Israel have played a role here, but the reality is that almost all of this is the result of the stated policies and real world actions of Hamas. Without the constant genocidal rhetoric and actions of Hamas, Israel are not interested in Gaza.
 
Still not prepared to admit you are supporting a genocide?

Might I also point out the obvious - that some 70 years after WW2, we still have people you would call "nazis", these are people who support that twisted ideology. Hamas is an ideology.

How exactly is Israel going to kill an 'idea'? Are they going to drop some brainwashing powder on top of Gaza that will erase peoples' memories of Hamas?

When they say they are hell bent on destroying Hamas - we should really interpret this as = it's impossible to kill an 'idea' - but while the rest of the world sits on its hands and does nothing, let's see how many we can get away with killing before they stop us.

Or. to put it another way, it's genocide.

And, once again, I need to remind you that no matter what you post or what you believe - nothing is going to change the very simple fact that most people on this planet are going to associate Israel with one of the most horrendous mass-murders in history. You can't shake death my friend. It's going to stick to the Jewish population like fucking super-glue.

Death or genocide, you know, in case you missed it when I said it twice before.
 
There are many who claim that Palestine has right to the land because they were there first. I am curious about a few detail concerning the nation of Palestine.

If 'Palestine' is a country, we should be able to answer a few basic questions:


1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What were its borders?
3. What was its capital?
4. What were its major cities?
5. What was its underlying economy What did it produce and who did they trade with?
6. What form did its government have?
7. Can you name at least one 'Palestinian' leader before Arafat?
8. Was 'Palestine' ever recognized by a country whose existence, at one time or another, leaves no room for interpretation?
9. What was the language of the 'State of Palestine'?
10. What was the most common religion in the 'State of Palestine'?
11. What was the name of its currency?
12. Choose any date - what was the approximate exchange rate of the 'Palestinian' currency against the U.S. dollar, German euro, British pound, Japanese yen or Chinese yuan?
13. Since there is no such country today, what caused its destruction and when did it happen?
14. If we mourn the "slow decline" of the “former proud” country." When exactly was this "state" proud and what was it proud about?
15. Are the "Palestinians" something other than generic Arabs gathered from everywhere or thrown out of the Arab world?
16. Do they really have a genuinely unique ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination?

Just read some history books.

The Palestinians were shafted from the moment the Balfour Agreement was put into motion.

To make it much easier for you - read up about the Balfour Agreement specifically. From its inception to the moment it was carried out.

It will answer all of the above questions for you. Although I don't think you'll like what you find out.
 
Just read some history books.

The Palestinians were shafted from the moment the Balfour Agreement was put into motion.

To make it much easier for you - read up about the Balfour Agreement specifically. From its inception to the moment it was carried out.

It will answer all of the above questions for you. Although I don't think you'll like what you find out.
I actually have done the research and know the answers. It was an open question in hopes for an honest discussion, not a statement of my person position.
 
Still not prepared to admit you are supporting a genocide?

Might I also point out the obvious - that some 70 years after WW2, we still have people you would call "nazis", these are people who support that twisted ideology. Hamas is an ideology.

How exactly is Israel going to kill an 'idea'? Are they going to drop some brainwashing powder on top of Gaza that will erase peoples' memories of Hamas?

When they say they are hell bent on destroying Hamas - we should really interpret this as = it's impossible to kill an 'idea' - but while the rest of the world sits on its hands and does nothing, let's see how many we can get away with killing before they stop us.

Or. to put it another way, it's genocide.

And, once again, I need to remind you that no matter what you post or what you believe - nothing is going to change the very simple fact that most people on this planet are going to associate Israel with one of the most horrendous mass-murders in history. You can't shake death my friend. It's going to stick to the Jewish population like fucking super-glue.

Death or genocide, you know, in case you missed it when I said it twice before.

I think the military operations of WWII did quite a good job of combating the "idea" of Nazism.

I love how you aren't even attempting the "anti-Zionist" charade. You just straight up say "Jewish population". I give you props for at least being honest.
 
And, once again, I need to remind you that no matter what you post or what you believe - nothing is going to change the very simple fact that most people on this planet are going to associate Israel with one of the most horrendous mass-murders in history. You can't shake death my friend. It's going to stick to the Jewish population like fucking super-glue.
Young impressionable people. People with a Islamic religious bias. And the easily emotionally manipulated. They might.

Those who know history recognise this doesn't even figure in the top 10. And that the use of the term genocide in this context is a betrayal of all those who have actually been the subject of genocide and largely ignored by the world at large. Israel goes out of its way to warn people to get out of the way. Genocides don't typically involve being given a chance to avoid being killed by the oppressing faction, they just roll in and kill you without batting an eyelid.

If anything this whole saga is going to devalue and demoralize people in the west in regards to Islam as a whole. The cracks are beginning to show, and if it weren't for political correctness and the threat of a criminal record for hate speech I imagine a lot of the public in the West would be quite vocal on the subject. People are silently fed up with the bullshit already - it has already been mentioned in this thread as to some of the reasons why, specifically in relation to my region (UK).

The irony is of course that the initial spark, the October incursion, was actually an act of genocide. 1000+ innocent people slaughtered in the most barbaric ways, for no military objective, on the basis of some phony religious-political bullshit. That's what I'll remember from this whole saga. And the hospital "air strike", which turned out to be complete bullshit but was promoted by Hamas and then floated by the MSM.
Most sane people will equate Israel = genocide. Or maybe you can explain how they won't? Give me some plausible reason why someone might say "Hey, sure, they wiped out a ton of civilians and left them all homeless and starving for years - but it was all justified in the end. Just look at how good things are now!"
Most sane people recognise that Hamas is directly responsible for initiating this recent chain of events, by butchering 1000+ people and taking hostages.

They have taken obscene donation money from all over the world, and what have they done with it? Built a web of tunnels and a shit ton of crappy rockets designed to inflict terror and injury of innocent people. They could have spent all that money on actually doing something productive and beneficial for Gaza as a whole. But no.

Most sane people are also sick to the back teeth of 'the boy crying wolf', especially when these people turn around and inflict absolute barbarity on innocent people who don't fall under their umbrella. Both in that region and elsewhere around the world. I have sympathy for people who are being oppressed, but not when they can't turn the other cheek and instead willingly choose to perpetuate a cycle of violence under the guide of their religious beliefs. You give these people half a chance and they'll become the oppressors, because hate is what motivates them, not love.

The proof is in the pudding. Look at what Israel has become, on the back of desert swamp land and not much else. In turn, look at the Arab states.. without all their oil they would have nothing. And even the states that are oil rich they still are evolving at a snails pace by comparison. It's embarrassing. These people and states could do so much if they channelled all their energy in the right direction, it's not even funny. They are motivated well but directed poorly. It's a tragedy.
 
"Most sane people recognise that Hamas is directly responsible for initiating this recent chain of events, "

Yes, they may well have initiated it - but it doesn't justify the relentless slaughter of thousands upon thousands of innocent people in retaliation. And people aren't blind (as much as you clearly wish they were)

I'm not sure you've read any history books at this point? If you had, you'd be well aware that Israel as a country (or even an idea) was doomed from the start - with the intelligent people realising it was going to be a failure from the very, very start. Just please read some objective texts that just report the very basic facts. Do I have to repeat the fact that the US delegation didn't even bother to come over and assess the possibility of it working - because they knew it wouldn't just by looking at a map and knowing a pinch of the local history of these lands? They, and others, predicted all of this way back in 1910 - they knew this would happen.

You seem to be completely brainwashed by the Israeli war machine's sickening propaganda.

Nothing is going to shake this - it's going to stick for decades after the dust settles. You can't undo the piles of dead bodies - and that's all most people are ever going to remember. Again, tell me why they won't? I, and the rest of the world, are waiting for that magic answer that justifies the current genocide the Israeli government is carrying out (oh, and let's not forget the Israeli's who voted for these psychopaths in the first place)

Some of you here are doing an amazing job of doing everything except answering a very simple question.

What could possibly justify the relentless killing of thousands of innocent people?

"Hey, they did it to us! Let's do it to them only a thousand times worse" - is this what you've really been taught at school? Is that really your barometer for common sense? Is that really 'right' to you? Come on, we don't even teach that kind of bullshit to kindergarten kids - and yet you, as adults, are spitting out this twisted rationale as if it's perfectly normal.

Heaven help them, us and you at this point.
 
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