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swilow
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I think I'm repeating myself here but going to try.
It is absolutely fine to passionately disagree with each other. It would be boring as fuck otherwise, right? But the line has already been clearly drawn at insults and ad homs. A minority keep going down that particular path. I get the temptation but please can everyone resist this? Honestly, this simply won't be tolerated anymore.
Anyway, back to yelling at each other
It is absolutely fine to passionately disagree with each other. It would be boring as fuck otherwise, right? But the line has already been clearly drawn at insults and ad homs. A minority keep going down that particular path. I get the temptation but please can everyone resist this? Honestly, this simply won't be tolerated anymore.
Anyway, back to yelling at each other
swilow
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Two points that I feel like I'm wasting precious finger motions on making. But you must realise how incredibly offensive it sounds to draw a comparison between Jewish Israeli people and the political regime that killed 6 million of them, right?
The comparison is made ONLY because of all the people in the world, comparing the Jews to nazis is possibly the most hurtful thing one can do. It is done to hurt and demean, not because it's valid or revealing. You are repeating this meme to be offensive to the Jews. I know you claim that you're not an antisemite but someone who constantly makes the worst possible claim about an ethnicity is just that. You can no longer call them kikes, or christkillers, or judenrat, but its still okay to call them nazis. The oldest hatred in modern woke guise.
And secondly, to draw the comparison you and so many dogged leftists do, you can only be appallingly ignorant of history. It is a terrible unfounded analogy. The Israeli government is immensely flawed but are really not at all like the conquering ideologues who laid waste to the entirety of Europe and murdered over 10 million people in death camps. The west bank settlements are bad but they are not the same as concentrating people in ghettos with 800 calories a day, before rounding up families, deporting them from their historical homes in cattlecars, and gassing millions upon millions to death. You may claim that it's the same except the gassing to which I would say that without that, it is absolutely not the same. And so, yeah, it is absolutely not the same.
wow, some government is authoritarian and fascist, what is the news in the first place? It is same all around the world.
I can also mock my own government, they are bunch of nazis and right-end people who look other way when that is pointed out. Does not make finnish people nazis. Should not piss off anyone because it is the truth also.
There is obviously this movement which insists that nazis shall not be called nazis, because it hurts nazis feelings or something.
There is often some kind of wiggling room about if the people are national socialists or just fascists, tho'.
I can also mock my own government, they are bunch of nazis and right-end people who look other way when that is pointed out. Does not make finnish people nazis. Should not piss off anyone because it is the truth also.
There is obviously this movement which insists that nazis shall not be called nazis, because it hurts nazis feelings or something.
There is often some kind of wiggling room about if the people are national socialists or just fascists, tho'.
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Wow, some people ended up repeating the trauma inflicted upon them, what's the news?
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I don't know the details of Finland, but in Sweden it's this fucked up repressive situation where only actual former nazis had the guts to complain about the potential dangers of massively oversized immigration before it escalated into undeniability. ...Of course it's the nazis saying that, if every normal person refuses to acknowledge the problem. Will you respond with passive whining about nazis expressing a rhetorical upper hand, or by dealing with the problem and seizing the upper hand from the nazis thereby diminishing their power? Most people chose whining about the nazis and pretending the problem isn't real because nazis point it out. I think they might not have realized that Hitler did breathe and might actually stop breathing when they do. This total lack of courage being the norm for adult behavior is a very troubling symptom.
The West Bank's separate-but-unequal legal system
Palestinians and Israelis aren't equal before the law
www.vox.com
Israeli soldiers routinely detain Palestinian children for throwing rocks
"Arresting children here is becoming normal," one human rights activist said.
www.vox.com
Palestinian stone throwers could face 20 years in jail
Israel’s cabinet backs bill to hand out tougher penalties to stone throwers after months of clashes in east Jerusalem
Footage shows IDF parading scores of Palestinian men around in underwear
Israeli media claimed images show Hamas fighters but several civilians have been identified including a journalist
this has shit to do with this topic, I guess. Anyway, I think nazis are about the worst possible thing to exist in the government.
While some claim that Israel is acting like Nazi's in the current conflict with Palestine, Hamas actually sided with Hitler during WWII and there was an actual Palestinian SS Division.
Palastine and the Nazis (article)
In recent days the word Hamas has been all over the media. Protesters around the world have come out in support of the terrorists, denying the truth of the photos that Hamas themselves have posted, much as their compatriots deny the Holocaust. The organization has earned its notoriety not through its “fight for freedom” or any humanitarian endeavor but through acts of sheer, unabashed, mind-numbing, head-spinning horror—acts of premeditated, systematically perpetrated evil. By now many people have heard their name, but very few know much about their history, genealogy, ideology, and aims. Here I shall briefly lay out that background so that we may better understand of whom and what we are speaking when we say, “Hamas.” It begins with the Nazis. Yes, the Nazis.
National Socialism emerged not only from social, political, and other vicissitudes of modern Germany but also from the convergence of religious, philosophical, and cultural expressions of a modern Jew hatred that surpassed every manifestation to date: it was an antisemitism foundational to Nazi thinking and exterminationist in its aims. In 1922 Adolf Hitler told German journalist Josef Hell, “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews.”https://isgap.org/flashpoint/from-hitler-to-hamas-a-genealogy-of-evil/#_edn1 He also declared to Hermann Rauschning that, as Führer, his mission in life was to destroy the “tyrannical God of the Jews” and His “life-denying Ten Commandments.”[ii] The object of extermination, then, was not only the Jews but also the teaching and testimony of Judaism—the Holy One Himself—that the Jews represent through their very presence in the world. Here we see exactly what the antisemite, both Nazi and Jihadist, is anti-, what the exterminationist antisemite seeks to exterminate in the extermination of the Jews.
For the Nazis, when it came to the Jews, race was not the defining category of their thinking. The Nazis were not antisemites because they were racists; rather, they were racists because they were antisemites: they had to establish an antisemitic, anti-Judaic premise in order to arrive at a racist outlook. As Nazi ideologue Alfred Rosenberg maintained, the Aryan “mind” or “spirit,” “has been poisoned by Judaism,” and not merely by Jewish blood, for the –ism is in the blood.[iii] Therefore, every Jew is a carrier of the contagion of Judaism—every Jew tests Judaism positive—so that the extermination of the Jews must be total. That is why Jewish students on college campuses are attacked, reviled, and humiliated every time the Jewish state defends itself. In the Nazis’ struggle against the Jews and Judaism Hitler is the savior of humanity, who wages war with a satanic evil. Following their own ideologue Sayyid Qutb, Hamas understands itself to be waging the same war.[iv] It is, indeed, a holy war waged against the satanic God of the Jews. Nazi antisemitism was about the usurpation of the divine throne of judgment, and that required the elimination of the millennial witnesses to the Divine Judge: the Jewish people. Whether it is Hitler or Hamas, one cannot become like God without this usurpation or appropriation of God, which requires the extermination of the Jews.
As the Führer hid in his bunker and prepared for his suicide, he penned his last political will and testament. His last written words were a plea to the world to continue to “resist mercilessly the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry,”[v] a plea most thoroughly and systematically heeded by the Islamic Jihadists and one of their primary movements, Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah, the Islamic Resistance Movement known as Hamas. Before proceeding to Hamas, however, a few words must be said about the Muslim Brotherhood from which Hamas stems and Haj Amin al-Husseini, the tie that binds Hitler to Hamas.
The Muslim Brotherhood and the Hitler Connection
The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in March 1928, when Hasan al-Banna and five other brothers gathered to draft their creed: “Allah is our goal. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Death in the service of Allah is our highest desire.” Soon after this affirmation of their creed, al-Banna turned to Hitler and found deep inspiration.[vi] Hitler confirmed for him that Zionism is about establishing neither a haven nor a homeland for the Jews but a base of operations for world domination. “While the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state,” said Hitler, “the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim… . All they want is a central organization for their international world swindle.”[vii] One thing that al-Banna learned from Hitler was the power of propaganda against the Jews,[viii] as a means not of persuasion but of inciting hatred.[ix] By 1935 the Brotherhood had formed its own propaganda division. For both Hitler and al-Banna, the first principle is not that all Jews are evil but that all evil is Jewish. Therefore the Jews must be hated and ultimately exterminated. For the Jihadists of the Brotherhood, it is, indeed, a holy act pleasing to God and therefore a religious duty.
From 1935 onward the Brotherhood sent delegations to the Nazis’ rallies in Nuremberg. In 1938 they led demonstrations against Egyptian Jews and held the Parliamentary Conference for Arab and Muslim Countries in Cairo, where they distributed Arabic translations of selections from Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In 1939 they bombed a Cairo synagogue and ransacked Jewish homes. With the outbreak of the war, the Nazis enjoyed their full support. When King Farouk granted asylum to Nazi war criminal Haj Amin al-Husseini on 20 June 1946, al-Banna hailed the former Mufti of Jerusalem as a hero and a great Jihadist. Al-Husseini also had meetings with Sayyid Qutb, the man who would become the Brotherhood’s most influential Jihadist ideologue. In al-Husseini, then, we have an important link between the Nazis and Hamas.
Haj Amin al-Husseini: Nazism as Jihadism
Haj Amin al-Husseini came to power through a British act of appeasement after he had been tried in abstentia and found guilty of inciting riots in Palestine in 1920; the riots arose in response to the first proposal for a two-state solution outlined by the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement of January 1919. Attempting to calm the Arab population, British mandate governor Herbert Samuel appointed him Mufti of Jerusalem on 8 May 1921. Among the newly appointed Mufti’s first actions was a declaration of jihad against the British and the Jews.[x] On 31 March 1933 he paid his first official visit to the new Nazi German General Consul Heinrich Wolff in Jerusalem. On 13 October 1937, once again wanted by the British for inciting the Arab Revolt of 1936 – 1939, al-Husseini fled Palestine.
Al-Husseini had his first meeting with the Führer on 28 November 1941, when they discussed their alliance in the extermination of European and Palestinian Jewry. The extermination project pleased al-Husseini and his desire for the annihilation of the Jews as a necessary means of bringing salvation to the believers of Islam. To be sure, he had always preached that murdering Jews pleases Allah and is essential to salvation. If it pleases Allah, then, for Hamas and other Jihadist murderers, killing Jews is not about “freeing Palestine” or driving out an “oppressor” or even revenge. It has nothing to do with “colonialist occupation.” It is about serving God. Just as a Nazi cannot be a true Nazi without murdering Jews, so an Islamic Jihadist cannot be a true Muslim without murdering Jews. The Jihadist’s ticket into paradise is a dead Jew. For a dead Jew pleases Allah.
As early as January 1941 al-Husseini was recruiting Bosnian Muslims to serve in the Waffen SS and in SS killing units. The largest of the Mufti’s Muslim killing units was the infamous 13th Handschar Division of 21,065 men.[xi] As a result of his murderous actions in service to the Nazis, al-Husseini was charged with war crimes. On 20 June 1946 he turned up in Cairo, where, as noted above, the Muslim Brotherhood gave him a hero’s welcome. That same year the Mufti took in Yasser Arafat as his protégé; he brought in a former Nazi commando officer to teach Arafat “the fine points of guerilla warfare.”[xii] Some scholars argue that “al-Husseini was himself most likely the true founder of the al-Fatah,… Arafat’s terror cell,… the nucleus of the PLO,”[xiii] which is currently the ruling authority in the West Bank.
Hamas: Hitler’s Heirs in the Struggle against World Jewry
Hamas emerged immediately after the outbreak of the Palestinians’ First Intifada against Israel as a militant Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood on 9 December 1987. The Movement was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his comrades Dr. Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi and Mahmoud al-Zahar.[xiv] Born in Ashkelon in 1938, Yassin grew up in awe of Haj Amin al-Husseini.[xv] He joined the Muslim Brotherhood in 1957 and in 1973 established the Islamic Congress in Gaza to expand the influence of the Brotherhood; in 1978 he was among the founders of the Islamic University of Gaza. Yassin and his cohorts embraced the Nazis’ fundamental view that the Jews are “the dirtiest and meanest of all races, defiling the most sanctified and honored spot on earth,” making “no distinctions between Jews, Zionists, and Israelis.”[xvi] In her scholarship Esther Webman confirms these findings: “Generally no differentiation is made in the leaflets between Jew and Zionist, inasmuch as Judaism was perceived as embracing Zionism.”[xvii] As in all ideologies driven by Jew hatred, from Hitler to Hamas, where the Jew is the enemy, Judaism is the enemy.
Beverley Milton-Edwards writes, “The Hamas view of the Jewish people is not drawn solely from the pages of the Qur’an and hadith. Its myopia is also the product of Western anti-Semitic [primarily Nazi] influences. While Hamas, like other modern-day Islamic Jihadists, has developed its argument on the Jewish question by relying on Qur’anic and other Islamic sources, it also… [borrows] from such classical Western anti-Semitic sources as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”[xviii] What Hamas has in common with Hitler is not merely the desire to exterminate the Jews. No, it is this: exterminationist Jew hatred forms a definitive, foundational basis for their entire worldview. Both for Nazis and for Islamic Jihadists, both for Hitler and for Hamas, exterminationist Jew hatred is a first principle defining the very essence of their thinking.
After Yassin’s assassination on 22 March 2004, Rantisi succeeded him as the leader of Hamas, only to meet the same fate on18 April 2004. After Rantisi came former physics teacher Khalid Mashal, who governs Hamas from Qatar. In 2006 Ismail Haniyeh was voted the leader of Hamas and the Palestinian government in Gaza. Like his predecessors, Haniyeh applied lessons learned from the Nazis on the use of propaganda to incite a “wrathful hatred” of the Jews. In all of this we see the thread from Hitler and Hamas, as it passed through al-Husseini, through the Brotherhood, again through al-Husseini, and into the PLO and Hamas. Nowhere is the linkage more evident than in the Hamas charter. Drafted on 18 August 1988, this document that defines the essence of Hamas is deemed “The Charter of Allah,” with the clear implication that the word of Allah is the word of Hamas. As a “Charter of Allah,” it is a holy covenant that cannot be amended, altered, or negotiated. What, then, is the Word of Allah when Islamic Jihadism appropriates it?
Quoting Hasan al-Banna, the Charter’s preamble declares the exterminationist aims of Hamas: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it,” where Israel is a reference to the Jewish people, not to the Jewish state. No mention of “occupation” or to “colonialism”: the problem for Hamas, as for Hitler, is the very presence of the evil contagion of Jews and Judaism on the face of the earth. This point becomes clear if we recall a simple fact: when al-Banna made his assertion, the Jewish state did not yet exist: as in the case of the Nazis, the Hamas hatred of the Jews has nothing to do with the Jewish state.
For Hamas, a key to the universal rule of Islam is the universal extermination of the Jews, a position justified by Article Seven’s invocation of a teaching of the Prophet himself found in the al-Bukhari hadith, no. 3,593: “The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, ‘O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’” Nature itself rebels against the existence of the Jews. Nature itself vomits up the Jews as an alien, unnatural entity: natural law, therefore, requires the eradication of the Jews, so that Jew is not just an ontological enemy but a metaphysical threat.
Reading Article Eleven, one realizes that Hamas can allow no compromise on the status of Palestine, for the presence of the Jews is not only unnatural—it is unholy: “Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgment Day.” As an “Islamic Waqf land,” Palestine is consecrated ground reserved for Muslims alone. The issue of Palestine, then, is not about politics or economics—it is about holiness and truth, something that no government or ruler can negotiate. To ask a Muslim to negotiate peace with the Jews is to ask him to renounce Islam. Therefore “initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion” (Article Thirteen).
Palastine and the Nazis (article)
In recent days the word Hamas has been all over the media. Protesters around the world have come out in support of the terrorists, denying the truth of the photos that Hamas themselves have posted, much as their compatriots deny the Holocaust. The organization has earned its notoriety not through its “fight for freedom” or any humanitarian endeavor but through acts of sheer, unabashed, mind-numbing, head-spinning horror—acts of premeditated, systematically perpetrated evil. By now many people have heard their name, but very few know much about their history, genealogy, ideology, and aims. Here I shall briefly lay out that background so that we may better understand of whom and what we are speaking when we say, “Hamas.” It begins with the Nazis. Yes, the Nazis.
National Socialism emerged not only from social, political, and other vicissitudes of modern Germany but also from the convergence of religious, philosophical, and cultural expressions of a modern Jew hatred that surpassed every manifestation to date: it was an antisemitism foundational to Nazi thinking and exterminationist in its aims. In 1922 Adolf Hitler told German journalist Josef Hell, “Once I am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews.”https://isgap.org/flashpoint/from-hitler-to-hamas-a-genealogy-of-evil/#_edn1 He also declared to Hermann Rauschning that, as Führer, his mission in life was to destroy the “tyrannical God of the Jews” and His “life-denying Ten Commandments.”[ii] The object of extermination, then, was not only the Jews but also the teaching and testimony of Judaism—the Holy One Himself—that the Jews represent through their very presence in the world. Here we see exactly what the antisemite, both Nazi and Jihadist, is anti-, what the exterminationist antisemite seeks to exterminate in the extermination of the Jews.
For the Nazis, when it came to the Jews, race was not the defining category of their thinking. The Nazis were not antisemites because they were racists; rather, they were racists because they were antisemites: they had to establish an antisemitic, anti-Judaic premise in order to arrive at a racist outlook. As Nazi ideologue Alfred Rosenberg maintained, the Aryan “mind” or “spirit,” “has been poisoned by Judaism,” and not merely by Jewish blood, for the –ism is in the blood.[iii] Therefore, every Jew is a carrier of the contagion of Judaism—every Jew tests Judaism positive—so that the extermination of the Jews must be total. That is why Jewish students on college campuses are attacked, reviled, and humiliated every time the Jewish state defends itself. In the Nazis’ struggle against the Jews and Judaism Hitler is the savior of humanity, who wages war with a satanic evil. Following their own ideologue Sayyid Qutb, Hamas understands itself to be waging the same war.[iv] It is, indeed, a holy war waged against the satanic God of the Jews. Nazi antisemitism was about the usurpation of the divine throne of judgment, and that required the elimination of the millennial witnesses to the Divine Judge: the Jewish people. Whether it is Hitler or Hamas, one cannot become like God without this usurpation or appropriation of God, which requires the extermination of the Jews.
As the Führer hid in his bunker and prepared for his suicide, he penned his last political will and testament. His last written words were a plea to the world to continue to “resist mercilessly the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry,”[v] a plea most thoroughly and systematically heeded by the Islamic Jihadists and one of their primary movements, Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamah al-ʾIslāmiyyah, the Islamic Resistance Movement known as Hamas. Before proceeding to Hamas, however, a few words must be said about the Muslim Brotherhood from which Hamas stems and Haj Amin al-Husseini, the tie that binds Hitler to Hamas.
The Muslim Brotherhood and the Hitler Connection
The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in March 1928, when Hasan al-Banna and five other brothers gathered to draft their creed: “Allah is our goal. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Death in the service of Allah is our highest desire.” Soon after this affirmation of their creed, al-Banna turned to Hitler and found deep inspiration.[vi] Hitler confirmed for him that Zionism is about establishing neither a haven nor a homeland for the Jews but a base of operations for world domination. “While the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state,” said Hitler, “the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim… . All they want is a central organization for their international world swindle.”[vii] One thing that al-Banna learned from Hitler was the power of propaganda against the Jews,[viii] as a means not of persuasion but of inciting hatred.[ix] By 1935 the Brotherhood had formed its own propaganda division. For both Hitler and al-Banna, the first principle is not that all Jews are evil but that all evil is Jewish. Therefore the Jews must be hated and ultimately exterminated. For the Jihadists of the Brotherhood, it is, indeed, a holy act pleasing to God and therefore a religious duty.
From 1935 onward the Brotherhood sent delegations to the Nazis’ rallies in Nuremberg. In 1938 they led demonstrations against Egyptian Jews and held the Parliamentary Conference for Arab and Muslim Countries in Cairo, where they distributed Arabic translations of selections from Mein Kampf and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In 1939 they bombed a Cairo synagogue and ransacked Jewish homes. With the outbreak of the war, the Nazis enjoyed their full support. When King Farouk granted asylum to Nazi war criminal Haj Amin al-Husseini on 20 June 1946, al-Banna hailed the former Mufti of Jerusalem as a hero and a great Jihadist. Al-Husseini also had meetings with Sayyid Qutb, the man who would become the Brotherhood’s most influential Jihadist ideologue. In al-Husseini, then, we have an important link between the Nazis and Hamas.
Haj Amin al-Husseini: Nazism as Jihadism
Haj Amin al-Husseini came to power through a British act of appeasement after he had been tried in abstentia and found guilty of inciting riots in Palestine in 1920; the riots arose in response to the first proposal for a two-state solution outlined by the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement of January 1919. Attempting to calm the Arab population, British mandate governor Herbert Samuel appointed him Mufti of Jerusalem on 8 May 1921. Among the newly appointed Mufti’s first actions was a declaration of jihad against the British and the Jews.[x] On 31 March 1933 he paid his first official visit to the new Nazi German General Consul Heinrich Wolff in Jerusalem. On 13 October 1937, once again wanted by the British for inciting the Arab Revolt of 1936 – 1939, al-Husseini fled Palestine.
Al-Husseini had his first meeting with the Führer on 28 November 1941, when they discussed their alliance in the extermination of European and Palestinian Jewry. The extermination project pleased al-Husseini and his desire for the annihilation of the Jews as a necessary means of bringing salvation to the believers of Islam. To be sure, he had always preached that murdering Jews pleases Allah and is essential to salvation. If it pleases Allah, then, for Hamas and other Jihadist murderers, killing Jews is not about “freeing Palestine” or driving out an “oppressor” or even revenge. It has nothing to do with “colonialist occupation.” It is about serving God. Just as a Nazi cannot be a true Nazi without murdering Jews, so an Islamic Jihadist cannot be a true Muslim without murdering Jews. The Jihadist’s ticket into paradise is a dead Jew. For a dead Jew pleases Allah.
As early as January 1941 al-Husseini was recruiting Bosnian Muslims to serve in the Waffen SS and in SS killing units. The largest of the Mufti’s Muslim killing units was the infamous 13th Handschar Division of 21,065 men.[xi] As a result of his murderous actions in service to the Nazis, al-Husseini was charged with war crimes. On 20 June 1946 he turned up in Cairo, where, as noted above, the Muslim Brotherhood gave him a hero’s welcome. That same year the Mufti took in Yasser Arafat as his protégé; he brought in a former Nazi commando officer to teach Arafat “the fine points of guerilla warfare.”[xii] Some scholars argue that “al-Husseini was himself most likely the true founder of the al-Fatah,… Arafat’s terror cell,… the nucleus of the PLO,”[xiii] which is currently the ruling authority in the West Bank.
Hamas: Hitler’s Heirs in the Struggle against World Jewry
Hamas emerged immediately after the outbreak of the Palestinians’ First Intifada against Israel as a militant Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood on 9 December 1987. The Movement was founded by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and his comrades Dr. Abdel Aziz al-Rantisi and Mahmoud al-Zahar.[xiv] Born in Ashkelon in 1938, Yassin grew up in awe of Haj Amin al-Husseini.[xv] He joined the Muslim Brotherhood in 1957 and in 1973 established the Islamic Congress in Gaza to expand the influence of the Brotherhood; in 1978 he was among the founders of the Islamic University of Gaza. Yassin and his cohorts embraced the Nazis’ fundamental view that the Jews are “the dirtiest and meanest of all races, defiling the most sanctified and honored spot on earth,” making “no distinctions between Jews, Zionists, and Israelis.”[xvi] In her scholarship Esther Webman confirms these findings: “Generally no differentiation is made in the leaflets between Jew and Zionist, inasmuch as Judaism was perceived as embracing Zionism.”[xvii] As in all ideologies driven by Jew hatred, from Hitler to Hamas, where the Jew is the enemy, Judaism is the enemy.
Beverley Milton-Edwards writes, “The Hamas view of the Jewish people is not drawn solely from the pages of the Qur’an and hadith. Its myopia is also the product of Western anti-Semitic [primarily Nazi] influences. While Hamas, like other modern-day Islamic Jihadists, has developed its argument on the Jewish question by relying on Qur’anic and other Islamic sources, it also… [borrows] from such classical Western anti-Semitic sources as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.”[xviii] What Hamas has in common with Hitler is not merely the desire to exterminate the Jews. No, it is this: exterminationist Jew hatred forms a definitive, foundational basis for their entire worldview. Both for Nazis and for Islamic Jihadists, both for Hitler and for Hamas, exterminationist Jew hatred is a first principle defining the very essence of their thinking.
After Yassin’s assassination on 22 March 2004, Rantisi succeeded him as the leader of Hamas, only to meet the same fate on18 April 2004. After Rantisi came former physics teacher Khalid Mashal, who governs Hamas from Qatar. In 2006 Ismail Haniyeh was voted the leader of Hamas and the Palestinian government in Gaza. Like his predecessors, Haniyeh applied lessons learned from the Nazis on the use of propaganda to incite a “wrathful hatred” of the Jews. In all of this we see the thread from Hitler and Hamas, as it passed through al-Husseini, through the Brotherhood, again through al-Husseini, and into the PLO and Hamas. Nowhere is the linkage more evident than in the Hamas charter. Drafted on 18 August 1988, this document that defines the essence of Hamas is deemed “The Charter of Allah,” with the clear implication that the word of Allah is the word of Hamas. As a “Charter of Allah,” it is a holy covenant that cannot be amended, altered, or negotiated. What, then, is the Word of Allah when Islamic Jihadism appropriates it?
Quoting Hasan al-Banna, the Charter’s preamble declares the exterminationist aims of Hamas: “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it,” where Israel is a reference to the Jewish people, not to the Jewish state. No mention of “occupation” or to “colonialism”: the problem for Hamas, as for Hitler, is the very presence of the evil contagion of Jews and Judaism on the face of the earth. This point becomes clear if we recall a simple fact: when al-Banna made his assertion, the Jewish state did not yet exist: as in the case of the Nazis, the Hamas hatred of the Jews has nothing to do with the Jewish state.
For Hamas, a key to the universal rule of Islam is the universal extermination of the Jews, a position justified by Article Seven’s invocation of a teaching of the Prophet himself found in the al-Bukhari hadith, no. 3,593: “The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, ‘O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’” Nature itself rebels against the existence of the Jews. Nature itself vomits up the Jews as an alien, unnatural entity: natural law, therefore, requires the eradication of the Jews, so that Jew is not just an ontological enemy but a metaphysical threat.
Reading Article Eleven, one realizes that Hamas can allow no compromise on the status of Palestine, for the presence of the Jews is not only unnatural—it is unholy: “Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgment Day.” As an “Islamic Waqf land,” Palestine is consecrated ground reserved for Muslims alone. The issue of Palestine, then, is not about politics or economics—it is about holiness and truth, something that no government or ruler can negotiate. To ask a Muslim to negotiate peace with the Jews is to ask him to renounce Islam. Therefore “initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion” (Article Thirteen).
I find it odd people being on the side of terrorist when said terrorist would kill them without any thought. I've never had problems with jewish people and generally don't with muslums but islamic extremist would kill everyone in the west because they were taught that we are evil and must die.
They don't even care for their own people, they wouldn't use them as shields if they did
They don't even care for their own people, they wouldn't use them as shields if they did
To be fair, in their eyes the people will become martyrs of jihad and will be rewarded in the next life. But the leaders get to decide, not ""their people" because according to the Quran jihad is a mandatory part of their religion.
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The West Bank's separate-but-unequal legal system
Palestinians and Israelis aren't equal before the law
Israeli soldiers routinely detain Palestinian children for throwing rocks
"Arresting children here is becoming normal," one human rights activist said.
Palestinian stone throwers could face 20 years in jail
Israel’s cabinet backs bill to hand out tougher penalties to stone throwers after months of clashes in east Jerusalemwww.theguardian.com
Footage shows IDF parading scores of Palestinian men around in underwear
Israeli media claimed images show Hamas fighters but several civilians have been identified including a journalist
Man, you sure can post links with no insight or commentary.
Do you know the reason why the men were stripped down to their underwear?
It's almost the trifecta of wet-wipe political resources. The Guardian, Vox. The only one missing is Reddit.
mal3volent
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swilow
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I think this link should lead to the full episode: https://samharris.org/episode/SE032D7CCE6
Either way, this lead me to a really great podcast "Call Me Back" which has focused largely on the pogrom/massacre of October 7th and Israel's response. Very informative.
Either way, this lead me to a really great podcast "Call Me Back" which has focused largely on the pogrom/massacre of October 7th and Israel's response. Very informative.
Rainman1964
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I don't care what anyone says or how many idiots run through the streets waving flags for Palestine.....from the beginning of known time that any mid-eastern Islamic-based society of ANY country, strip, whatever, there is nothing but JUSTIFIED murder, anarchy, and terror to the entire world. Unless Islam turns the world into a Sharia Law working world, they will NEVER stop killing and justifying. Look back at every single thing any islamic group or whomever has said or done after murdering innocents? They are like a bunch of 12 year olds in their thinking. Their entire psychology is disgusting and so dysfunctional it is a joke. Every single time there is any kiling or violence, they will justify with what happened to them or whatever.
Except for the fucking oil, what real purpose except for the constant instability and terror and hate from this true Jewish, Christian and any other non-islamic person group of being this earth has coughed up has for this world? I do not see anything that is of real value. God!! The heat and lack of decent scenery has done its best to these people. Why don't you guys just fucking leave instead of bitching about your persecution and comparing yourselves to things and people that are not even comparable.
This is only because of the few that represent the many and make it look like a joke.
And you asshole Americans who don't have a life........God! Thank God I'll be dead before I get to see what you are going to do to this world and your society.
Life if very short and you are all wasting your lives and time.
Except for the fucking oil, what real purpose except for the constant instability and terror and hate from this true Jewish, Christian and any other non-islamic person group of being this earth has coughed up has for this world? I do not see anything that is of real value. God!! The heat and lack of decent scenery has done its best to these people. Why don't you guys just fucking leave instead of bitching about your persecution and comparing yourselves to things and people that are not even comparable.
This is only because of the few that represent the many and make it look like a joke.
And you asshole Americans who don't have a life........God! Thank God I'll be dead before I get to see what you are going to do to this world and your society.
Life if very short and you are all wasting your lives and time.
atara
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Lol no, all of this craziness begins precisely with the Arab revolt (McMahon-Hussein correspondence and Balfour Declaration, aka England playing both sides) and the Anglo-French conquest of the Ottoman Empire, although Napoleon's invasion of Egypt (100 years earlier) certainly didn't help. Before Napoleon, Jews actually fled from Europe to live with Muslims because they were more tolerant. In a roundabout way, modern Zionism starts with the Spanish Inquisition and Ottoman Emperors' offer of asylum to European Jews.
Burnt Offerings
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Eh Hamas wasn’t even around back then. I wasn’t too impressed by that attempt to flesh out the ideological continuity between Hitler and Hamas personally…could’ve been summed up a lot more concisely with, “they’re both not big fans of the Jews”
A lot of the direct comparisons between either side and the Nazis get a little overwrought sometimes imo
Nas47
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In Spain i got to known a lebanese-arab guy....a veteran from big war in 80-ies....his jaw was blown off by israeli bullet and he ates only liquid food....when i asked him once what he thinks about the Jews-he answered me-one of my best friends are Jews and they are cool people?!?So.....very complicated situation....these people there have been live in long periods of peace interupted eventually by war.What was happened is obscured in many ways.....i mean attack of Hamas....some sort 9/11.......how this could happen at all?with the most guarded fence and mighty Mosad?This start so brutally and overwhelming.....many unknown things,many questionmarks......who's to blame......a real catastrophy....my heart is hurting for all innocent lifes
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