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this questions shows (assuming good faith) that you have not done the tiniest bit of homework on this subject.
Half of my family lives in Israel. I came to the US as a Jewish political refugee. I have a slight amount of knowledge on the topic though Ill admit to my bias.

I don’t know everything, maybe you can point me in the direction of an unprovoked attack by Israel on Palestinians.
I’m not saying Israel is innocent in all of this. They’ve surely overstepped boundaries. But nothing I would call a terrorist attack like Hamas does to them. They have the right to defend themselves and retaliate against actual terror attacks. Israel blowing up a family’s house because Hamas keeps rockets there. Is Israel to blame for the situation or Hamas, who are happy to sacrifice their own people if it could continue to paint the Jews in a bad light.
For Hamas this is a religious war, the religion is not a side note, as I proven in my previous post.
 
it's just ridiculous how the left is on the jihaders team and the right loves the isrealis now
 
it's just ridiculous how the left is on the jihaders team and the right loves the isrealis now
I’m not on either side, I just think Israel has committed their own acts of terror and are far from innocent in this, and as Iv said I think hamas is carrying out the attack in a cowardly way, but at the same time understand the tactic they are trying to use
 
@Malevolent

i'd LOVE to see your qualms with the last couple of posts i've made that you've reacted to. i'm sure your take on these matters is not unidimensional, is it? i find your takes to typically be fairly nuanced.

sorry I didn't see this, you tagged some 3-less mal3volent poser.

I wtf'd your comment implying Hamas didn't start this.

Hamas clearly started this. We are talking about this crazy recent escalation , not going back decades or centuries , dont give me that shit. That is a separate discussion.
 
the left is on the jihaders team
are the left though? i saw mia khalifa say some dumb shit, but (and maybe i'm out of the loop) it seems like a VERY fringe thing to voice support of hamas and what they have done. MUCH more, i've seen leftists condemn hamas and the rare (and idiotic) ppl that have shown support for them.


nothing I would call a terrorist attack
ok, war crimes? that better? you know... cutting off water, killing journalists, killing children and innocent peaceful protestors, attacking ppl in a mosque on ramadan, etc. etc... are we gonna argue semantics? israel has done COUNTLESS aweful things to MANY innocent palestinians (like, for instance, war crimes).

israel is an apartheid government running an open air prison and attacking said prisoners. it goes WAYYY beyond simply going after terror groups.

and many have pointed out that the israeli government have surgically gone after OTHER terrorists while allowing hamas to fester... is it like batman needing the joker? netanyahu is blamed for the recent attacks by 85% of jewish-israeli citizens... pretty amazing that so many non- israeli ppl support the current israeli regime when basically the whole country hates them.
 
this crazy recent escalation
they (and again, i condemn their cowardly actions... there is no justification for killing innocent civilians) did it as a direct response to the idf attacking worshippers in a mosque on ramadan (also cowardly and unjustified, although not anywhere near the atrocities of killing innocent israeli children, etc... just to be clear).

so although it's stupid, senseless, spineless, etc... if we are going for a schoolyard tit for tat "he started it she started it" silliness, it's very clear that it was not hamas that started it.
 


Very important reads for anyone who doesn't understand the ethnic cleansing and oppression committed by Israel on Palestine.
 
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Be suspicious of ANY survey results unless YOU can read the full questionnaire. It's a KNOWN skill among governments to design surveys to obtain a sought result.
Absolutely. But the point I made was, unlike say political questionnaires we might get in the UK where you can muddy the waters with the wording, when it comes to 'death penalty' and especially 'suicide bombers'.. lol.. where is there even room for a grey area in the wording? You're talking about murder in both cases, not whether you want the poll recipients to give the audience the false impression you might like the Tories policy X or Y. It's murder, for religious reasons. Can you think of a way to obfuscate that? I certainly can't.
I’m not on either side, I just think Israel has committed their own acts of terror and are far from innocent in this, and as Iv said I think hamas is carrying out the attack in a cowardly way, but at the same time understand the tactic they are trying to use
I understand the point about Israel having injured and killed many innocent people as a result of their military operations. And the acts of cruelty, or murder, by Israeli settlers that the state perhaps could do more to prevent, though that is settlers not the state killing people.

But tactic? This is nonsense. We're talking pure barbarism. There was no military target or objective, just pure terrorizing of civilians. Which they must (unless they're idiots) know would incur a terrible wrath brought upon them. Such barbarism is only ever going to cause one reaction in all honesty, as much as we wish for peace.

I don't have understanding for the 'tactic'. Hamas, and undoubtedly many people in Gaza (they did vote for them after all), care more about blind religious hatred than they do about finding something better. They don't even care to imagine any better possibilities, because the precondition is Israel's destruction first, which is ridiculous because that is not going to happen unless they all want to get turned into glass.

It's like being a short kid getting bullied by the tall kid, then deciding your vengeance is going to be to murder his dog, his family, and burn his house down. No. You have to accept the hand as it is and fucking deal with it (there are many possibilities), not become a violent cunt. Israel is what it is, it's not going anywhere.
 
Absolutely. But the point I made was, unlike say political questionnaires we might get in the UK where you can muddy the waters with the wording, when it comes to 'death penalty' and especially 'suicide bombers'.. lol.. where is there even room for a grey area in the wording? You're talking about murder in both cases, not whether you want the poll recipients to give the audience the false impression you might like the Tories policy X or Y. It's murder, for religious reasons. Can you think of a way to obfuscate that? I certainly can't.

I understand the point about Israel having injured and killed many innocent people as a result of their military operations. And the acts of cruelty, or murder, by Israeli settlers that the state perhaps could do more to prevent, though that is settlers not the state killing people.

But tactic? This is nonsense. We're talking pure barbarism. There was no military target or objective, just pure terrorizing of civilians. Which they must (unless they're idiots) know would incur a terrible wrath brought upon them. Such barbarism is only ever going to cause one reaction in all honesty, as much as we wish for peace.

I don't have understanding for the 'tactic'. Hamas, and undoubtedly many people in Gaza (they did vote for them after all), care more about blind religious hatred than they do about finding something better. They don't even care to imagine any better possibilities, because the precondition is Israel's destruction first, which is ridiculous because that is not going to happen unless they all want to get turned into glass.

It's like being a short kid getting bullied by the tall kid, then deciding your vengeance is going to be to murder his dog, his family, and burn his house down. No. You have to accept the hand as it is and fucking deal with it (there are many possibilities), not become a violent cunt. Israel is what it is, it's not going anywhere.
Are you saying that if any small country gets attacked by a larger country they should immediately give up and not fight back? What kind of imperial bs is that
 

The seemingly eternal Israeli-Palestinian conflict, especially in Gaza, which poses a continuous headache for the occupation, pushed the late Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin to say in 1992, “I wish I could wake up one day and find that Gaza has sunk into the sea.”

 
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I feel like i don't even want to take sides against taking sides so i'm just gonna pretend we're all on board and no-one is dumb enough to take sides on this!

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Just kidding
But really
 
israel is an apartheid government running an open air prison and attacking said prisoners.
I don't understand this open air prison meme I see everyone posting. Israel withdrew from Gaza under Sharon, including evicting Jewish settlers from the area. There has not been an Israeli occupying force in Gaza for nearly 20 years.

You know who does run Gaza, yeah? Have a guess.
 
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