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painfulstate said:
These are your biases which are clearly phenomenal and racist. The thing has nothing to do with religion i believe and you know what ..sometimes the evolution is recursive and not linear in time and salvation is personal not collective in nature .IMO
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I don't care one way or the other, the situation is a ridiculous contrivance, and I don't favour Jews over Muslims. Racism doesn't figure into it, having that said if I had to choose I'd much rather live next to a Jewish community (in Britain) than a Muslim one - if you need me to explain why then you need to examine your own biases I think. Similarly if I had to choose I'd rather live in Israel than any Arab state, not because I hate Arabs and favour Jews, and again if you can't see why I would make that decision..

It's just an uncomfortable truth. But unfortunately all religions (and its followers psychological evolution) are not all equal. We're not all at the same level. That's not to say that everyone in a 'superior' religion is automatically above or beyond enacting the same faults as those in 'lesser' religions, it's evident there's plenty of fervent Zionist fundamentalists who really do not help the cause of Israel and peace generally by acting the way they do.. and they should be called out on that.
painfulstate said:
Leftists dont rally for Hamas , they rally for Palestinian people and for their rights as human beings man ..
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But you can't be selective about human rights. Either you love everyone or you shut the fuck up, as Bill Hick's would say.

The past few days have shown very clearly just how delusional so many of the left are, how completely out of touch with reality they are, where they are either willing to make excuses for or actively celebrate (e.g. BLM and their paraglider post) what is an unbelievably barbaric terrorist attack. "I sympathise with.. but.." and then immediately go on to make some excuse just so THEY don't have to confront the fact that they might actually be wrong in their own narrative, it's ridiculous. Even the BBC have refused to label this thing appropriately and bullshitted with the 'impartiality' excuse.

It's like, you can just acknowledge the humanity of this without immediately 'taking sides' on this you know? Call it for what it is, an absolutely barbaric act by terrorists. I said it here already, and Peter Hitchen's made exactly the same point on the radio, that 'war crimes' doesn't even cover this.. it's barbarism, terrorist barbarism, plain and simple.

Leftists have lost absolutely all credibility now. If we see terrorist attacks in Western nations in the immediate future then they're finished completely.
 
-=SS=- said:
But you can't be selective about human rights. Either you love everyone or you shut the fuck up
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...i m not selective at all about human rights , that s the whole point ..also i get where you coming from and of course i would like to live in the most liberal country with the least fundamentalists but you know how easy it is to start accusing a whole nation because of some goons and not discriminate between them and the innocent ..this is how propaganda works and its easy to pass the wrong impressions to the world in your favour ( they use fear and shock)
 
Why? Because Israel can do no wrong? 😂

I wasted more than enough time reading conspiracy theory word salads, sure SS seems like they have a lot to say but I've realized that 90% of the time its repetitive, based on complete misunderstandings, or incredibly outdated information. It just isn't worth my limited time or effort.

I noticed this after thoroughly debunking their wild conspiracy theory that the vaccines might be used for mind control, even after combing through the relevant literature they seemed to cling to their ideas based on blog posts for dear life.
 
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painfulstate said:
...i m not selective at all about human rights , that s the whole point ..also i get where you coming from and of course i would like to live in the most liberal country with the least fundamentalists but you know how easy it is to start accusing a whole nation because of some goons and not discriminate between them and the innocent ..this is how propaganda works and its easy to pass the wrong impressions to the world in your favour ( they use fear and shock)
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I know, I wasn't accusing you personally of being selective and I agree with what you said here, that it isn't black and white. There's people on both sides who are innocent and want to just live peacefully, but unfortunately there are people on both sides who don't too.

When it comes to the 'free Palestine' crowd though, let's be real about it, there's a lot of people within this grouping who don't actually want peace and are simply using it as a cover/excuse in much the same way that the BLM movement utilize their arguments as a veil to obfuscate their hatred or financial greed. Then there's the white middle-class liberals in the mix too who are using it as an excuse for their own particular narrative e.g. a Jewish world conspiracy, or as a general avenue for expressing their anger for a variety of overlapping reasons.
 
Peter Hitchens talking about what we've just been discussing regarding the 'free Palestine' crowd.
 
That would make the Jews severely mentally ill….as they consider themselves “the chosen people “ the level of arrogance it takes to call yourself that never sat well with me…and for the record I have a lot of Jews from Israel in my family
 
-=SS=- said:
Hamas leader calling for Friday 13th global jihad. Fucks sake. I saw the NYC mayor earlier warning about potential lone wolf attacks.

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someguyontheinternet said:
Are plants extreme? 😂
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As a drug addict I have a whole list of extreme plants to tell you about
 
SS thinks that people are making money off the free Palestine thing? Hahaha what who do you think supplies Israel with weapons, the religious right in the US are the ones who support Israel and they're the ones who are all gung ho about military shit and weapons development. They're the establishment hahahaha what

Where are they getting this info lmao
 
swilow said:
Of course, it is awful that 750000 Palestinians were displaced 80 years ago. It's awful that Israel even needed to be formed. But they had and have a legitimate claim to the land which could have been recognised at the time but wasn't.
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You're Aussie right? So this doesn't apply to you. But to my American friends, I've been giving an analogy with Native Americans. If the Jews had the right to that land such that they deserved to kick out the Palestinians, then us Americans should all move back to Europe and give the Natives their land back.
 
swilow said:
A poll from 2021 showed that 53% of Palestinians supported Hamas, at least in comparison to Fatah. I'm pretty sure many of that majority don't support beheading babies but still, it's not as if Hamas are a fringe group. They are absolutely mainstream.

And this notion that Israel needed an excuse, like the recent massacres are just convenient for them. Hamas have been openly calling for the eradication of Jews in Israel for at least the last decade. They've had a tacit justification for extreme action for as long as Hamas have been using that rhetoric and yet haven't actually flattened the place. Makes me think that, far from being a convenient political reason for destruction, Israel are currently doing that wild thing of believing what their enemies are saying about why they are massacring innocent elderly people, women, and infants, and are now responding as literally every other country on earth would.
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This is why Palestinians are so upset with Israelis tho... I think a lot of people are unaware of this:

Israeli vs Palestinian deaths / injuries, 2008-2020
 
Israel bombed two airports in Syria. Man, this Israel/Palestine conflict is almost getting as bad as January 6th
 
pharmakos said:
This is why Palestinians are so upset with Israelis tho... I think a lot of people are unaware of this:
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But this graphic, like a lot of statistical graphics, doesn't tell the whole story. It's easy to look at the numbers and think Israel is clearly the more barbaric entity.

Gaza is incredibly densely populated, densely constructed, and that alone is going to lead to massive collateral injury and death when you bomb such a place. On top of that, when the military targets you're aiming for are deliberately hidden behind the general population that only increases the chances. In reverse, when Israel is targeted it is generally these shitty firework type missiles aiming at largely open areas with pockets of urban development, so the injuries and deaths are far less, and now that they have 'Iron Dome' (and probably soon a laser defence) that figure will continue to decline.
 
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