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I just found out about all of this. Damn. Here we goes. And I just found out in the afternoon today. On MOnday at 11 30 ish in the almost afternoon. Today.

I didn't know how big it was. I did hear some background noise but thought it was the congo or something around another continent in a third world scenario somewhere else.

So I had no clue. I have a lot of feelings about it now though, too. Oh my. But to me I don't even think it is about religion anymore. Oh yeah.

I feel like it is just like another 9 11 or it is going to be. Fck I didn't even hear about this. I get left out of everything.

Yeah. Probably coming soon to the UK and USA also. So watch yourselves. Terror. Hostages. Won't that be somethin else to sweat from.

And wow Israel has the best high tech security ever. I mean their planes don't even get blown up to pieces. Ever. Mandatory active

military service two year minimum for Everyone. You know. I think this goes even deeper than one against the other anymore.

It's more propaganda created, staged for bigger and deeper things to come. Feels Orchestrated though, like it was a long time in planning.

It's like it's Biblical. However, when it was prophesied they didn't presented as being and inside job planned out precisely to go along with

the agenda of world dominance of the new order. But pretty much . . . in their own words the biblical stuff is happening.

Feels like a set up to me to stage the world for what the changes are that are coming. Everyone's going to gang together now.

Russia is probably going to go after the middle eastern now and US is now going to help and Ukraine is still part of it all.

It's all a part of the narrative ha of all of this Evil for sure. Or like the theme of it all the agenda's they create.

Seems like the new world dominance that will prevail. I just found out. It blew up all over the social media to start with. I

didn't even see this thread, of course. And I didn't even realize why everything was eerie and when this was all going on and I didn't really even hear of this yet.

I don't know. I heard they were displaying and picking off some hostages one by one. What ever it is and it is too soon to really tell yet. The big agenda anyway is being

shrouded again. Nwo one world dominance ha. Creepy huh. I will have my gun in my cold dead hand before I decide if I want to hear anymore except about my own bewlchit.

Oh just wait if you will. It's been looming and lurking. But whatever this little flair up is right now, it can and just may take a really bad turn to the worst.

Coming soon to all of you as well. ha. Anyway it was quite a shock only because things seem to really catch me off guard at times.

So before any debates I really can't even say for certain right now. My health was my main focus and now this really has me more sick now too. Again. Really.

If anyone even does believe in Evil. It's time to really be aware. I didn't even get to read this whole thread yet. And wow it's just flooded. Surprise surprise right.

So I am not sure if everyone is still at an adversary about it all with the big time Flare again, but I have kind of been missing all of it somehow.

I don't even know the whole situation yet. But I can pretty much figure. But we will see. Soon.

Here you go.

The war to end all wars = WW1
The Good War = WW2
The Cold War = WW3
The War on Terror = WW4

Currently now into WW5

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Hamas do not represent all of Palestine. They are a terrorist faction and now Israel are going to hit out at a densly populated area with 2.2million people in it.
Hamas are the elected governing body of Gaza. They're not just a terrorist faction. And over 50% of the population support them. They arent a fringe group, they are THE dominant political and military force in the Gaza strip.


They have implemented strict Islamic law over the citizens there. You know what that means, right? They are fascist terrorists who continually endanger their own people. Do you truly support that?

What is the alternative for Israel? To just accept constant rocket attacks and murder and rape of their citizens? Or do you think that sort of violence is acceptable? If a large proportion of Palestinians are innocent in your opinion (and mine too) where is your compassion for the innocent Israelis? Or do the Jews not deserve your compassion? That's how it seems.

Are we also going to ignore the fact Israel has been commiting genocide for 100 years? But yet now Israel need 'revenge', lol give me break.
Ignoring the fact that Israel has not existed for that long but was formed after 6 millions Jews were gassed to death in Europe, I'm not talking about revenge. I'm talking about the right of a country to protect itself from fascist terrorists. I've already said that I don't agree with everything Israel has done (and will do)- but the alternative for them is literally another march to Auschwitz. That is literally what Hamas want.

So I ask you again, what should Israel do?
 
Its def biblical times, nations will rise against israel. This is another horseman coming. First covid 19, Russia-ukraine and now the biggest israeli war. Soon it will be north korea invading south korea and china invading taiwan
 
Hamas are the elected governing body of Gaza. They're not just a terrorist faction. And over 50% of the population support them. They arent a fringe group, they are THE dominant political and military force in the Gaza strip.


They have implemented strict Islamic law over the citizens there. You know what that means, right? They are fascist terrorists who continually endanger their own people. Do you truly support that?

What is the alternative for Israel? To just accept constant rocket attacks and murder and rape of their citizens? Or do you think that sort of violence is acceptable? If a large proportion of Palestinians are innocent in your opinion (and mine too) where is your compassion for the innocent Israelis? Or do the Jews not deserve your compassion? That's how it seems.


Ignoring the fact that Israel has not existed for that long but was formed after 6 millions Jews were gassed to death in Europe, I'm not talking about revenge. I'm talking about the right of a country to protect itself from fascist terrorists. I've already said that I don't agree with everything Israel has done (and will do)- but the alternative for them is literally another march to Auschwitz. That is literally what Hamas want.

So I ask you again, what should Israel do?

So you think because they're in charge there that means everyone wants them in, or supported this act?

Then immediately contradict yourself by saying there is a rise in support for Israel, in Palestine.

In which case Israel has still cut off food, water, electricity and fuel for how many innocent people. What does a bright spark like yourself think the knock on effect of that would be?

Hamas are a terrorist organisation. I very much doubt they do much that benefits the Palestinian people. Neither do Israel, they literally control every aspect they possibly can of Palestinian life. Heavy survaillance all round too, and they have it locked in by land sea and air. The Palestinians are caught between a rock and a hard place quite literally.

Ofcourse i do not think this violence is acceptable, but your very solution is just unfiltered violence itself. Do we really think cutting the food and water to a population of 2.2 million doesn't affect innocent women and children, ofcourse it does. They could have gone after the Hamas on their side, before this even happened, but chose to let it happen. Why would that be? Could it be perhaps to give them an excuse to go after the whole of Palestine?

Oh I'm sorry, 75 years, and for all of those years they have been trying to take Palestine. And succeeding. Looks like now they finally have the right excuse to finish what THEY started.

Rich you are talking about Auchwitz but fail to see the long drawn out genocide by Israel here.
 
It has been an apartheid state for years, this isn't new. Think about it: the average age of Palestinians is 18. Why is that?
Swilow is too indoctrinated to understand why the average age of the palestinian population is 18. He also fails to understand why Baruch Goldstein wasn't the only jew who mass murdered Palestinians. He just downplays it by saying "the actions of an extremist aren't at all relevant". Interesting how when a jew kills palestinians it's "extremism", but when it's the other way around, it's "typical palestinian terrorism". Cognitive dissonance much?
All he really does is mindlessly regurgitate Netanyahu's propagandistic talking points because the likes of him have no mind of their own anymore. They cannot reflect objectively on reality.

I know I said earlier that I won't take part in these discussions anymore, but this is something that people here should really watch. It might be an eye opener for some, especially those who still sit on the fence and are open to change their stance on this matter. Please, watch this people and tell me who really is the victim here:
 
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In which case Israel has still cut off food, water, electricity and fuel for how many innocent people.
In fairness, what options does Israel realistically have here? Gaza is real dense, it's not like they can surgically strike at Hamas as they don't have military bases away from civilian areas. They hide amongst the population, they don't have much choice themselves in that regard.

Invite them to the negotiating table? Not a chance. You don't negotiate with barbarians who rape, mutilate, and slaughter innocent people. Hamas have made it clear what they're about, if it wasn't obvious enough already.
but this is something that people here should really watch. It might be an eye opener for some, especially those who still sit on the fence and are open to change their stance on this matter. Please, watch this people and tell me who really is the victim here
@45:25: This is pretty disingenuous what he's saying, and shows both his naivety and bias. He's taking Hamas videos at face value saying, "they [hostages] look quite well looked after". Honestly, that has to be the dumbest analysis I've heard in awhile. I've seen one hostage video where the children are crying because the terrorists killed their older sister before abducting them (most likely in front of the children), and another video with a large room full of just Israeli women being tormented by terrorists shooting their AK's.

Then goes onto making equivalencies of Israeli forces beating people and spraying sewage on their walls, and then Hamas doing what it has just done. Beating and intimidating people is not in the same league as raping women, butchering families in front of each other, mutilating bodies, etc.

@46:35 "I question how many of these photos are real".

Sorry, but I can't take anything that man is saying seriously after making a statement like that. He is clearly biased. He's willing to take Hamas videos at face value but then make vague dismissals of the videos clearly showing what has taken place within Israel? Get the fuck out.
 
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First of all, just because I share an analysis someone made, doesn't mean that I agree with everything that person has said. Secondly, dismissing everything because of a disagreement is the behaviour of an immature child. Thirdly, you seem to be out of the loop and not up-to-date anymore on the technological capabilities that governments/intelligence have (maybe "deep fake" tells you something). The fact that you can generate completely realistic looking photos and videos of people who don't even exist leads me too to question the authenticity of much of the photos/videos I see online. In fact AI-generated content has made me so sceptical that I hardly trust anything anymore that I see on screen, just what I witness myself. And keep in mind, THAT is the stuff they allow you to see. God knows what kind of technologies intelligence agencies have that we know absolutely nothing about.

https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/ (AI generated people. If I hadn't told you that these people aren't real, you would have absolutely been fooled by these pictures. They look as real as they can get. Every time you refresh the page, the website's AI generates a completely new person. Nothing is being recycled/reused here.)

(Thought these people are actors? Thought the voice with the distinct 50s mid-atlantic accent you hear is from a voice actor? WRONG! Everything you just saw and heard is completely AI generated.)

With all that in mind it absolutely is NOT far fetched to speculate that some of stuff we see coming from Israel/Palestine might be in fact a deep fake to manufacture consent among the masses. All the world is a stage and you are an unwitting actor in a play from which you cannot escape...

P.S.:
you said that "beating and intimidating people is not in the same league as raping women, butchering families in front of each other, mutilating bodies, etc."
Interestingly, you conveniently "forgot" to add that the IDF not only beats and intimidates, but also uses the inhumane shrapnel shells to rip the flesh of children off of their bones.

P.P.S.:
Max Igan gave evidence how zionists are in fact the inventors of modern day terrorism and how they have been and still use terrorism to achieve their goals.
 
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@elgoucho9
He is absolutely correct.

"[...]it’s that when people get whipped into an emotional frenzy, critical thinking completely goes out the window.People become highly suggestible and will rush to extremely dangerous conclusions without thinking about the consequences."

This is crowd psychology in practice! This guy knows what he is talking about. IsraHell is using this incident to gain support for complete genocide. This is something they always wanted to do but never could. Now is their opportunity.
 
Why the hell do people constantly post twitter links like its some fountain of truth
What I don't like is when people use social media posts as "evidence" for something. Or even worse: trial by social media. Oh man, I need an extra dose of morphine now and get off the internet, because this shit is ruining my high again :rolleyes:
 
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Why the hell do people constantly post twitter links like its some fountain of truth
because Twitter is a new source, and is often where breaking news happens, because it's so fast and easy to share video, photos and text.

Why is this news to people? Social media isn't just pimple popping videos and butts jiggling. It's a global news sharing platform. Not just a propaganda machine.
 
What I don't like is when people use social media posts as "evidence" for something. Or even worse: trial by social media. Oh man, I need an extra dose of morphine now and get off the internet, because this shit is ruining my high again :rolleyes:
I hate when people share their stupid opinions on forums. Why can't they just have a brain?
 
because Twitter is a new source, and is often where breaking news happens, because it's so fast and easy to share video, photos and text.

Why is this news to people? Social media isn't just pimple popping videos and butts jiggling. It's a global news sharing platform. Not just a propaganda machine.
Because it isn't known that misinformation, disinformation, and propaganda spreads the fastest through social media? Wow I wonder how that happens

Elon selling verified made it even more difficult to discern sources on top of that. Posting a twitter link is barely a step above posting a link to reddit or 4chan
 
First of all, just because I share an analysis someone made, doesn't mean that I agree with everything that person has said.
Why are you making this about you? I didn't say anything towards you, it was my interpretation of the man in the video. Having said that, you did clearly say to watch the video if 'you're on the fence' and 'watch this people and tell me who really is the victim here'. I watched it, and I stated bluntly why that video has not convinced me of anything except that mans self evident bias.
Secondly, dismissing everything because of a disagreement is nonsensical. Thirdly, you seem to be out of the loop and not up-to-date anymore on the technological capabilities that governments/intelligence have (maybe "deep fake" tells you something). The fact that you can generate completely realistic looking photos and videos of people who don't even exist leads me too to question the authenticity of much of the photos/videos I see online. In fact AI-generated content has made me so sceptical that I hardly trust anything anymore that I see on screen, just what I witness myself. And keep in mind, THAT is the stuff they allow you to see. God knows what kind of technologies intelligence agencies have that we know absolutely nothing about.
Listen here, I was calling out what I believed to be legitimate state actor video fakery (i.e 9/11 plane videos) long before it became fashionable to simply label anything as fakery. I've seen enough videos over the past two decades and done enough research to know what is possible to fake and what is not. Yes, you should not blindly trust everything that comes through a screen. Absolutely you shouldn't. But at the same time you have to apply discernment and not just blast everything that doesn't fit your particular narrative, or you end up like Alex Jones making a total imbecile out of himself and discrediting everyone has legitimate questions about particular events.

AI can not fake shooting a dog twice at point blank outside with complex lighting, shadows, and movement. It can not fake attempting to lop a mans head off multiple times using a farming shovel. Even the really good AI content is still discernible as AI content if you know what you're looking for, and that goes for image, video, and audio. The video you posted backs my point up here, not yours. It's obviously AI, at least to me. Lighting, shadows, masking/borders, it stands out like a sore thumb because it is really, really difficult to emulate those factors and make the whole piece look congruent.

I've already expressed my suspicions about the failure of Israeli intelligence here (see festival post). But at the same time that doesn't mean everything is not real. Like with 9/11, there is clearly (IMO) fuckery going on with that event but that doesn't mean people did not die horrendously. Same applies in this context. Israeli intelligence may have allowed this to happen, that is a real possibility, but that doesn't then mean Hamas didn't go around butchering and raping people.
@elgoucho9
He is absolutely correct.

"[...]it’s that when people get whipped into an emotional frenzy, critical thinking completely goes out the window.People become highly suggestible and will rush to extremely dangerous conclusions without thinking about the consequences."

This is crowd psychology in practice! This guy knows what he is talking about. IsraHell is using this incident to gain support for complete genocide. This is something they always wanted to do but never could. Now is their opportunity.
And how are you any different (or the man in that video you posted). You are both willing to jump to immediate conclusions and make excuses for brutality that has clearly occurred, in order to suit your own narratives.

It's not black and white, when it comes to military/state level psychological warfare. That's the whole point. No one is going to dissect the truth accurately in the immediate aftermath of such occurrences, because these things (if they are state level) are layered extremely well, and not least because if you react emotionally you will immediately fall into traps of theirs (and your own) and not have the mental focus to think critically. It takes time to cool off and then analyse these things accurately.
 
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