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Hexenstahl said:
Just one last thing: the fact that people can so easily be manipulated and convinced by out of context video clips, unproven social media claims and mass media reports (who are notorious for lying to people) is proof enough for me that humanity is a completely lost cause and just makes me even more misanthropic than I already am. Palestine can die, but only if the rest of the world dies with it. I'm so done with homo stultus. Sapiens my fucking ass...
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Have you investigated the possibility that this entire situation is a manipulation of the collective consciousness? You obviously feel passionately one way about it. I did when I was younger as well. It seems it is very easy to fall into this drama, on either side. Why is that? Even if we have no personal stake in the game (I don't), it sucks everyone into it and becomes a focal point for rage. Is that rage actually justified on only one side and not the other? Does it not feel like you were called by the piper to the ringside of this conflict for the gain of the ringmaster? I think we all know deep down that rage is not going to resolve this situation, especially when one side has nuclear weapons and nuclear doctrine for assured destruction in the event of being overwhelmed.

The more you delve into the history of the middle east in the 20th century (and 20th century generally i.e. the world wars), the more ridiculous the entire thing appears. I can't look at Israel now without seeing thousands of Jew's herded into a small geographical area and targets painted on their backs. After Covid too, where Israel was basically Pfizers main open-air testing laboratory which in itself is devilishly ironic given the medical experimentation during WW2. I don't know about you, but it looks to me like some hidden third-party hates the Jewish people and is utilizing them for their own ends - I'll be open here and state I believe it is Rome doing all of this, as they have a vested interest in Jerusalem in particular.

Personally I can't reconcile the notion that Jewish intellectual Zionists wouldn't have had the foresight to see what inevitable outcome would be by creating a state by force. Bearing in mind this was all happening at the peak/tail-end of the British empire and their central involvement in all of this geopolitical gameplaying. The British would not have done this out of the goodness of their hearts, especially not back then. I think the rage we feel is a manifestation of knowing at an unconscious level that this entire situation is contrived for a purpose we don't know but can intuit as malicious in intent.
 
I think Israel does amazingly successful manipulation. I appreciate people having sympathy for others, but their "good deeds" seem just hollow and I suggest raising sympathy and justification is prime motivator for them. I don't think there is much other substance to it.
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-They could wipe out Gaza strip and palestinians effortlessly in week or so dunno, but they choose to do it over years so people globally don't get too alarmed all of a sudden. Oh wait a minute, they are apparently about to wipe it now people have been shocked by HAMAs's terrorist acts.
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-They "alert" people in Gaza before they strike, which might be enough for reaction or not, but what do you even do about it?

'An attack on the 14-storey residential tower called “al-Jundi al-Majhoul” killed three Palestinian members of Islamic Jihad. One civilian resident in the building who was woken up by the attack said: “The building was shaking crazily… When we got to the windows…we saw everyone looking at us and then people screaming ‘vacate the building immediately’ because it was hit… minutes afterwards I was outside, with people pulling me away from danger … which now feels funny to say, as we have no idea where a safe place would be to seek refuge in."'

"Since 10 May Palestinian armed groups have fired more than 1,500 rockets towards civilian areas in central Israel and towns near the Gaza border killing and injuring civilians. Israeli forces have carried out air strikes killing and injuring civilians in Gaza. They have also damaged or destroyed at least two residential buildings housing tens of Palestinian families and one office building in Gaza, in targeted attacks amounting to collective punishment of the Palestinian population. In total at least 53 people, including 14 children, in Gaza and seven people in Israel have been killed in the violence." WAIT A MINUTE, I misread the target of 1500 rockets. Anyway yeah HAMAS is shit.

'“Firing rockets which cannot be accurately aimed into populated areas can amount to a war crime and endangers civilian lives on both sides of the Israel/ Gaza border,” said Saleh Higazi.'

www.amnesty.org

Civilians pay price in escalation of hostilities between Israel and Palestinians

Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups must protect lives of civilians
www.amnesty.org www.amnesty.org

It is even more suspicious because does not that "warning" mean also terrorists also get to flee?
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-They complain about people of Palestine terrorizing, but then don't let them leave the country and generally they just make everything so hard, which prevents the nation of any pursuit of reasonable life, leaving them little options. What is the purpose of it all then, is somewhat uncertain for me, but I could come up with ideological reasons, offering citizens enemy to distract them of real problems and repeating the intergenerational trauma inflicted upon jews with genocide and other hatred-fueled actions.
 
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I can't be the only one who thinks it's a tad suspicious that this attack could even take place. We are supposed to believe that mossad, cia, mi6 and so on had no idea this was happening? Really, the entire Israeli govt and all it's money and organisation's of war and spying couldn't see an attack forming? What? With the thousands of cameras, spy balloons and satellites, they saw nothing? With all the spies no doubt working within hamas ranks, no one heard a thing? At all?

That is what we are supposed to believe?

My tin foil hat wearing persona says this is a false flag of some kind. They either knew and allowed it to happen, or they even helped make it happen. Either way I really am struggling to believe that Israel, the most war-ready and 'equipped' nation in the world when it comes to military and spy networks for it's size and gdp just 'missed' all this.

Israeli has needed a good excuse to wipe out Palestine. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the goal here. Sacrafice some of your citizens and soldiers to gain public support for such an undertaking. I'm sure some general or politician somewhere justifies it by saying 'well if we just let things go on as they are we'll lose people anyway, atleast these losses give us something we can use to end further ones'.

War is fucked. Sympathy to all those caught up in it. No one wins except a few old men in nice mansions.
 
https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli...nalaisia-siviileja-poistumaan-gazasta/8794526 (unfortunately I could not find english news article but the preface states that Netaanjahu suggested palestinians to quit late saturday before strikes happen)
www.aljazeera.com

Israel to impose ‘total Gaza blockade’, dozens killed in refugee camp hit

Death toll surpasses 1,100 as Israel pounds Gaza and fierce battles continue between Hamas gunmen and Israeli troops.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com
today they have already closed the border-mind you, there has been nothing but one exit/entrance for people of Gaza for few years now-I have hard time believing 2 million people could ever get out in something like 12 hours, particularly as it was so hard already even without queue

Israel: "look how merciful we are"
 
Geneva convention article 54



Article 54 - Protection of objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population
1. Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is prohibited.
2. It is prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as foodstuffs, agricultural areas for the production of foodstuffs, crops, livestock, drinking water installations and supplies and irrigation works, for the specific purpose of denying them for their sustenance value to the civilian population or to the adverse Party, whatever the motive, whether in order to starve out civilians, to cause them to
move away, or for any other motive.
3. The prohibitions in paragraph 2 shall not apply to such of the objects covered by it as are used by an adverse Party:
(a) as sustenance solely for the members of its armed forces; or
(b) if not as sustenance, then in direct support of military action, provided, however, that in no event shall actions against these objects be taken which may be expected to leave the civilian population with such inadequate food or water as to cause its starvation or force its movement.
4. These objects shall not be made the object of reprisals.
5. In recognition of the vital requirements of any Party to the conflict in the defence of its national territory against invasion, derogation from the prohibitions contained in paragraph 2 may be made by a Party to the conflict within such territory under its own control where required by imperative military necessity.
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These various shades of sad desert people are no people to be sharing a planet with

No side is right. Israel shouldn't be a country, muslims shouldn't be muslims, Palestine has nothing in particular to offer the world. Israel has made some nice psytrance but we don't need Israel to have that.
 
I understand the apathic, misantrophic stance you take, I hate people too, but it seems a bit dichotomic, because helluva many of them ain't that bad. I have watched video of citizen of Israel describing openly the cruelties they did with other soldiers to palestinians. They clearly would prefer not ever again do that or those deeds to be repeated. Also I have been delighted by many jews in Israel stating in Reddit they reject the radical zionism happening.
 
Ds said:
I hope we get to see some sexy isrealian women with guns and whatnot.
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I got you covered, Comrade! L'Chaim!

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Well hot damn if I don't feel like rescuing me a Jewish princess.
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I can't be the only one who thinks it's a tad suspicious that this attack could even take place. We are supposed to believe that mossad, cia, mi6 and so on had no idea this was happening? Really, the entire Israeli govt and all it's money and organisation's of war and spying couldn't see an attack forming? What? With the thousands of cameras, spy balloons and satellites, they saw nothing? With all the spies no doubt working within hamas ranks, no one heard a thing? At all?
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You aren't. It was the first thing I thought and even just reading mainstream reddit threads I see the same sentiment posted numerous time. Even mainstream media has raised the question, and like everything else these days their explanation is 'incompetence' and never conspiracy.

An operation this massive is not going to go unnoticed. Fucking paragliders for god sake. I heard on GBNews this morning that a Reuters 'investigation' found that Hamas had a mock up of an Israeli settlement within Gaza on which to train their commandos.

How Hamas duped Israel as it planned devastating attack - Reuters
In one of the most striking elements of their preparations, Hamas constructed a mock Israeli settlement in Gaza where they practiced a military landing and trained to storm it, the source close to Hamas said, adding they even made videos of the manoeuvres.

"Israel surely saw them but they were convinced that Hamas wasn't keen on getting into a confrontation," the source said.
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If Iran was involved in this, which has been suggested, then it is even more ridiculous to suggest no one picked up on that. Five-eyes can intercept any piece of digital communications on the planet, and the notion they wouldn't have an active focus on military targets in the middle east is a joke.

If MI6 were aware of the German U-boat as it left harbour in 1915 before it sank the Lusitania, which they were, then ain't a god damn chance in hell that the combined power of the 5-eyes network didn't pick up on a significant plot and build-up of military activity in this context. Reuters trying to convince me that Hamas outsmarted Israeli intelligence (there's that incompetence excuse again) is a nice touch.
 
Re'im music festival massacre
According to the organizer, the site was booked only two days before, after the original location in southern Israel backed out. - Wiki
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This is intriguing, thinking about Hamas and their own intelligence, and how this festival was targeted. Surely they wouldn't have known about it, given it was relocated just 2 days before? A psytrance festival would not be on their give-a-fuck radar so how would they even know of it just two days before? But then how was this coordinated on the day itself.. paragliders just going "yeah let's go down there"? Would they even recognise it from the air, and even have the ability to relay information to other militants and coordinate it? Surely they would be aiming for known targets like residential settlements and it would have been decided well in advance - you're attacking a sophisticated military state, are you really going to just wing it?

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Horrifying images reveal Hamas massacre at rave, where Israeli officers acted as human shields to protect civilians - NYP
After the Palestinians paraglided into the area, “50 terrorists arrived at the rave site in vans, dressed in military uniforms,” a partygoer only identifed as Ortel told Israel’s Channel 12.
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He noted that those who fled for the woods were spared an immediate ambush that Hamas had prepared for those who ran for the parking center.

“People tried to run to their cars, but the terrorists waited and slaughtered them as they tried to get into their cars and escape,” he explained.
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“I’ve never seen anything like it in my life,” he said. “It was a planned ambush. There were 3,000 people at the event, so [the Palestinians] probably knew it. They had intelligence information.”
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Ok now I'm getting really curious. How would they know all this in advance when the location was only decided literally right before the day? They wouldn't have known the selected site, they wouldn't have known about the festival if it was originally being planned to be held elsewhere. Somehow I really doubt Hamas have the intelligence capacity to have picked this one up.

Not going to lie, this seems a bit suspicious.
 
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Re'im music festival massacre

This is intriguing, thinking about Hamas and their own intelligence, and how this festival was targeted. Surely they wouldn't have known about it
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I agree with this.

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, given it was relocated just 2 days before? A psytrance festival would not be on their give-a-fuck radar so how would they even know of it just two days before?
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So what you're establishing is that this was likely a target of opportunity.

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But then how was this coordinated on the day itself.. paragliders just going "yeah let's go down there"?
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But that's possibly exactly what happened. In all possibility, Hamas intel called command and said, "Hey, the Jews are partying on the border! Let's get them!"

So maybe command was like, "Huh? Down by the border? Are they actually making it easy on us? Well, we're not going to get a better chance. OK, let us call the Master."

But at this point we don't know who the Master is, possibly Iran. But whoever the Master is must have said, "Sure go for it, maybe Hezbollah well back you up."

So Hamas probably took that as saying, "Hezbollah will 100% back you up." Because military miscommunications happen all the time.

So Hamas dusted off their plans which probably said something like, "Charge in on your vehicle, grab some civilians, kidnap them, and then we can ransom them back so that we can buy more camels."

In my judgement Hamas lost control of their own operation and some of the mujadeen were actually targeting civilians and farmers. Lots of mujadeen making fun of the prisoners on social media like thugs? I'm not sure command told them to do this. Undisciplined soldiers. Great operation until civilians were getting shot.

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Would they even recognise it from the air, and even have the ability to relay information to other militants and coordinate it?
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Well as you suggest it would be reckless to assume that they didn't have some kind of spotters in the area, but as others have suggested the party was right directly on their border, so when would they have had a better chance than that. Looks like their op was supposed to be a quick hostage taking.

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Surely they would be aiming for known targets like residential settlements and it would have been decided well in advance - you're attacking a sophisticated military state, are you really going to just wing it?
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You're mistaking the difference in Western thinking and Arabic thinking. In all possibility Hamas was like, "Hey, they're throwing a party without us? Let's stage a quick raid and they'll see how manly we are."

...not realising that nearly every one in the West sees this as barbaric. Compare differences in social media.

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Horrifying images reveal Hamas massacre at rave, where Israeli officers acted as human shields to protect civilians - NYP



Ok now I'm getting really curious. How would they know all this in advance when the location was only decided literally right before the day?
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As mentioned militaries have extensive plans, but they won't know the targets or the players until the last moment. A party right on their border? Too good to pass up. The media jumped on it and there is international outrage. Biden picked a side. Game over Hamas.

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They wouldn't have known the selected site, they wouldn't have known about the festival if it was originally being planned to be held elsewhere.
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Laymen don't seem to appreciate how good Syrian intelligence is. Hezbollah and the Revolutionary guard are no slouches. Here is my question, did Hezbollah set Hamas up?

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Somehow I really doubt Hamas have the intelligence capacity to have picked this one up.
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No, Westerners don't understand Hamas. But it's not their problem so no point in bugging them. Hamas are basically "Rocket bullies." What you witnessed is the alpha to omega of their lifestyle and operational strategy. Ransom and virtue signaling on social media was possibly their end game. In their heads it totally makes sense.

You have to understand that Palestinians are like the semi-urbanized version of these guys,

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Desert raiders. To them it makes total sense, the raid is not a complete failure because they did get hostages that they can ransom. In their mind this is all just one of those things that happen.

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Not going to lie, this seems a bit suspicious.
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You're darn right!
 
Both sides are fuckin retarded.
Obviously Palestine has suffered at the hands of Israel for decades but can’t justify killing innocent civilians.
Typical Muslim extremists wanting to kill and rape women and children.
Hopefully Isreal military and hammas both suffer
huge casualties.
Just less of the rapey shit
 
Alright, so it was one of the oldest Christian churches in the world

"Original construction of the Church of Saint Porphyrius dates back to 425 CE, however the modern construction was undertaken by the Crusaders in the 1150s or 1160s and they dedicated it St. Porphyrius"
 
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