And why is Israel bombing the Rafah crossing too? So they warn civilians and then bomb the way out? Cool
Well why wouldn't you just say that if you posted the articles beforehand? Why wouldn't you say that they fund Hamas if they said it in your articles?See, again, you are talking nonsense. I posted two links, a photo, etc focusing on Iran's support of Hamas before I ever made that comment.
hamas shouldn't run a lemonade stand, let alone a whole country... but it's hard to imagine a worse situation than what the palestinians already live in.Hamas take control of the whole area. Will the average Palestinians life be better or worse?
nobody here has justified hamas' attacks, supporting hamas, or saying they're innocent.The people here justifying them
then why the awful shit in the west bank where psychopaths ("settlers" like it's fucking oregon trail up in that bitch) treat palestinians like lower than dirt and netanyahu's goons protect them like it's the mafia up in that bitch?The fact is that without Hamas or similar savages, Israel really have no qualms with the Palestinians
freedom/ rights for their ppl? i'll admit, their tactics are fucked beyond belief, but to imagine that their only or main motivation is to do shit like kill the queers... it's silly.what they are actually fighting for.
let's please not get into who has the more insane superstition, especially when the jews and the muslims literally worship the same creator deity.their insane idea of the creator of the universe
Well why wouldn't you just say that if you posted the articles beforehand? Why wouldn't you say that they fund Hamas if they said it in your articles?
How about a better situation?hamas shouldn't run a lemonade stand, let alone a whole country... but it's hard to imagine a worse situation than what the palestinians already live in.
I don't disagree. The situation there needs to be improved. The occupation there had clearly been unethical and criminal.then why the awful shit in the west bank where psychopaths ("settlers" like it's fucking oregon trail up in that bitch) treat palestinians like lower than dirt and netanyahu's goons protect them like it's the mafia up in that bitch?
nobody here has justified hamas' attacks, supporting hamas, or saying they're innocent.
maybe try not parroting apologetics/ sophistry for israel's war crimes.
freedom/ rights for their ppl? i'll admit, their tactics are fucked beyond belief, but to imagine that their only or main motivation is to do shit like kill the queers... it's silly.
Great idea. Who do you think will be easier to persuade on that front, the people who kill and die for minor infractions upon their beliefs, or the nation founded on secular nationalism?what if they make a secular society where everyone has rights, regardless of what religiosity the exude?!
swilow said:It's interesting that noone can bring themselves to actually just say that Palestinians would be better off without Hamas.
I agree they deserved to have a spot in their homeland. Just not sure why they had to kick out 750,000 people to make it happen.You keep referencing the nakba as if that explains it all. But why were the Jews resettling the area in the first place? They were fleeing pogroms throughout Europe that preceded the Holocaust. Consider the duress they were under. Obviously, some awful and consequential things happened, but what choice did the Jews have? Where else could they go but to the one place on earth where they have some tenuous claim? It's not as if the invaded the area with force, or colonised it at the behest of a great power- they fled there to seek asylum. How wise they were.
The question should be "what makes the Jewish claim more valid than the Arabs'?"What makes the Arabic claim more valid than the Jews?
I don't think it is. I've said it several times, but there are definite issues with the way Israel was formed, and how it currently operates. But the question of whether or not it has the right to exist is, to me, invalid and also pointless- they're not going to give up their land, ever. They cannot afford to if they want to survive. Nearly every other Arabic nation has come to accept that except a relatively small group of extremists whose constant attacks on Israel are NOT justifiable, are not useful, and are THE cause of Israel's often aggressive militancy.The question should be "what makes the Jewish claim more valid than the Arabs'?
This is wrong in a few ways and I'm not sure where to begin...When did America join ww2? After Rothschilds had bought Israel from Great Britain
Just a food for thoughtThis is wrong in a few ways and I'm not sure where to begin...
I put him on ignore. Ignorant and un-educatedI love how much time and effort you put into your posts. The dedication you have to understanding the other person's argument and responding to it in a rational way is really second to none. I often read posts here from people that make me think, "I wish admin could use the ignore function..." but yours always leave me satisfied and glad I had the opportunity to engage in spirited debate.
People like you always have the same pre-programmed response. "it's not possible", "thats crazy" etc. What is so unbelievable about it? Do you know history? Do you know the operation they conducted to do this? Probably not.This is wrong in a few ways and I'm not sure where to begin...
Unfortunately, this radicalisation is always imminent with Islam, which is a religion that has always spread through violent conquest. It was literally written into their foundational texts and enacted across much of the world.Except now, due to the terrible conditions they've lived in for 75 years, a huge portion of their population has been radicalized,
Eh I'm open to conspiracy theories, but he got some pretty basic parts of the timeline wrong...People like you always have the same pre-programmed response. "it's not possible", "thats crazy" etc. What is so unbelievable about it? Do you know history? Do you know the operation they conducted to do this? Probably not.
Yea, I was ready to cuss his ignorant ass out, but I promptly put him on ignore. No sense arguing with a terrorist supporting cockroach.You've spent 90% of your time in this thread excusing, explaining, justifying why Hamas exist. If you give a shit about torture, you're not making that very clear. It seems more like you're a rabid anti-Israeli/antisemite leftist that supports violence and rape when its directed at Israel.
Genuinely not all Muslims are like that.Unfortunately, this radicalisation is always imminent with Islam, which is a religion that has always spread through violent conquest. It was literally written into their foundational texts and enacted across much of the world.
There were massacres on Jews in Palestine in the 1920s, well before Israel had been founded. I think this is a point that many simply aren't seeing- that the actual generative cause of the violence we saw in Israel is jihadist Islam.