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I don’t believe the speculation of intelligence agencies tbh. And even if they were, the US funds all sort of awful countries and people. We have staged endless colour revolutions and have over thrown endless leaders in the region. Like I’m always ranting about here, duplicity tends to grind folx gears.


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Intelligence agencies have no agenda to lie! Why would they mislead anyone?!

Also, the first thing that comes to mind when discussing Iran's involvement in these things is it's exactly what we've been doing the world over since introduction of the CIA and potentially even before.
 
Well, at least you admit it...



Every political opinion you have hinges on this same globalist conspiracy bullshit. I'm not a neocon and never supported the Iraq war (even though I was barely politically conscious at the time). So idk what you're talking about.

I seriously doubt you even give a damn about the plight of the average Palestinian. You just hate "Israel" and "bankers" ... (totally, totally, not Jews though).
I dislike war. But especially when it’s the most powerful country on earth running an apartheid state. It literally all hinges on funny money, every world issue is tied back to its usury. Do you ever ask yourself why you never hear about world conflicts, but in this case it’s been a 24/7 propaganda campaign for the past two weeks?
 
Intelligence agencies have no agenda to lie! Why would they mislead anyone?!

Also, the first thing that comes to mind when discussing Iran's involvement in these things is it's exactly what we've been doing the world over since introduction of the CIA and potentially even before.
The way the establishments supporters prop up the intelligence agencies as this holier than thou altruistic group for good , not only makes me sick, But also makes me question if the gen pop is that dumb, or is just susceptible to propaganda.
 
I dislike war. But especially when it’s the most powerful country on earth running an apartheid state. It literally all hinges on funny money, every world issue is tied back to its usury. Do you ever ask yourself why you never hear about world conflicts, but in this case it’s been a 24/7 propaganda campaign for the past two weeks?

you mean the propaganda machine that spreads literal Hamas propaganda like that hospital last week?
 
you can not believe them all you want.
you said there was no proof of it.
well, there is, and I showed it to you.

Iran funds Hezbollah. Why would they not fund Hamas?



It is also pretty funny you always talk about the folx, but you are aligned with them on this. The Marxists, communists, and all the genderqueer people are all about Free Palestine. It's a part of the intersectionality matrix and another opportunity to fight the capitalist machine.
I am aligned with anyone that is for good/what is right tbh.

I didn’t see anything I would call proof there, and Iran should be able to fund anyone they want. No one’s telling the US they can’t fund the bad guys.
 
Know one knows how to deal with facts and logic here, apparently. It's all deflection and non sequiturs.
 
Better because then they only have Hamas to worry about instead of Israel AND Hamas
So you think a jihadist death cult are better than a flawed western democracy? The fact is that without Hamas or similar savages, Israel really have no qualms with the Palestinians. But you are so mired in left wing ideology and captured by a truly childish vision of reality that I can already guess your possible retort.
 
you mean the propaganda machine that spreads literal Hamas propaganda like that hospital last week?
Lmao who’s the money behind the Hamas propaganda? If there is legit propaganda supporting it, then it’s likely same people spreading the pro Israel propaganda. Other than al Jazeera, all of that media is controlled by Israel directly and indirectly. So Hamas isn’t gonna have a huge voice outside of the gray zone lol
 
So you think a jihadist death cult are better than a flawed western democracy? The fact is that without Hamas or similar savages, Israel really have no qualms with the Palestinians. But you are so mired in left wing ideology and captured by a truly childish vision of reality that I can already guess your possible retort.
Is Israel a flawed western democracy though? Can all of the legal residents of Israel vote?
 
So you think a jihadist death cult are better than a flawed western democracy? The fact is that without Hamas or similar savages, Israel really have no qualms with the Palestinians. But you are so mired in left wing ideology and captured by a truly childish vision of reality that I can already guess your possible retort.
Conflating hammas with Palestinians is the only childish thing here. Yes collective punishment is a current policy. Also, I’d say I’m hardly mired in left wing ideology lol
 
Conflating hammas with Palestinians is the only childish thing here. Yes collective punishment is a current policy. Also, I’d say I’m hardly mired in left wing ideology lol
I wasn't addressing you, though.

But do show me where I conflated Hamas with Palestinians. I think they will be infinitely better of without a death cult running their society. I agree that collective punishment is wrong, which is why I'm so appalled at the attacks perpetrated by Hamas. The people here justifying them clearly do think that Israel's sins are to be borne by innocent people though.
 
Tbf you made a jump from them funding Hezbollah to "why wouldn't they fund Hamas?" - Not exactly proof if we are going to be all logical and what not.

See, again, you are talking nonsense. I posted two links, a photo, etc focusing on Iran's support of Hamas before I ever made that comment.
 
I wasn't addressing you, though.

But do show me where I conflated Hamas with Palestinians. I think they will be infinitely better of without a death cult running their society. I agree that collective punishment is wrong, which is why I'm so appalled at the attacks perpetrated by Hamas. The people here justifying them clearly do think that Israel's sins are to be borne by innocent people though.
Serious question. Do you genuinely think mossad/cia had no clue a thousand goat herders were planning an attack for over a year?
 
Guys let me break it down for you.

There can be no peace, no sovereign Palestine while Hamas is in control. Hamas doesn't want to govern, or be prosperous, or have peace.

This first extract, "The Victory of Muslims Over Jews," is the last two pages from the prophet Mohammed's sayings,HADITHS

Hadith narrated by Abi Hurira:

The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

Teachings of the Hadith

1/ It's fate decided by Allah that the Muslims and Jews will fight till the end of the world.

2/ The Hadith predicts for the Muslims God's victory over the Jews.

3/ The victory for the Muslims because they are right, and who ever is right is always victorious, even though most people are against him.

4/ God grants victory to the Muslims if they have a true will, if they unite, hold on to God's sharia, if they go by God's ruling, if they are patient.

5/ The material strength won't be enough to warrant victory, it is necessary to invoke God seek his support.

6/ Who ever is with God, God is with him; no matter what hardships and ordeals one would undergo what counts is the final result.

7/ Jews and Christians are the enemies of believers they will never approve of the Muslims, beware of them.


The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement


1988 charter​

  • Article 1 describes Hamas as an Islamic Resistance Movement with an ideological programme of Islam.[1]
  • Article 2 of Hamas' Charter defines Hamas as a "universal movement" and "one of the branches of the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine".[1][21][28][29]
  • Article 3 the Movement consists of "Muslims who have given their allegiance to Allah".[1]
  • Article 4 the Movement "welcomes every Muslim who embraces its faith, ideology, follows its programme, keeps its secrets, and wants to belong to its ranks and carry out the duty," [1]
  • Article 5 Demonstrates its Salafist roots and connections to the Muslim brotherhood, declaring Islam as its official religion and the Koran as its constitution.[1]
  • Article 6 Hamas is uniquely Palestinian,[1] and "strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned." It claims that the world will descend into chaos and war without Islam, quoting Muhammad Iqbal.[1][21]
  • Article 7 describes Hamas as "one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders" and claims continuity with the followers of the religious and nationalist hero Izz ad-Din al-Qassam from the Great Arab Revolt as well as the Palestinian combatants of the First Arab-Israeli War. It references a hadith reported by Sahih al-Bukhari, Muslim:2922, which states that the Day of Judgment would not come until the Muslims fight and kill the Jews.[1][29]
  • Article 8 The Hamas document reiterates the Muslim Brotherhood's slogan of "Allah is its goal, the Prophet is the model, the Qur'an its constitution, jihad its path, and death for the sake of Allah "is the loftiest of its wishes."[1][21]
  • Article 9 adapts Muslim Brotherhood's vision to connect the Palestinian crisis with the Islamic solution and advocates "fighting against the false, defeating it and vanquishing it so that justice could prevail".[1]
  • Article 11 Palestine is sacred (waqf) for all Muslims for all time, and it cannot be relinquished by anyone.[1]
  • Article 12 affirms that "Nationalism, from the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, is part of the religious creed".[1]
  • Article 13 There is no negotiated settlement possible. Jihad is the only answer.[1]
  • Article 14 The liberation of Palestine is the personal duty of every Palestinian.[1]
  • Article 15 "The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim". It states the history of the Crusades into Muslim lands and says the "Palestinian problem is a religious problem."[1]
  • Article 16 Describes how to go about educating future generations, with an emphasis on religious studiesand Islamic history.[1]
  • Article 17 Declares the role of women in Islamic society to be the "maker of men." It condemns Western organizations such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, and intelligence agencies as "saboteurs" for promoting subversive ideas on women.[1]
  • Article 18 Defines the role of women as homemakers and child-rearers, providing education and moral guidance to men.[1]
  • Article 19 Promotes the value of art while promoting Islamic art over "Jahili" art forms.[1]
  • Article 20 Calls for action "by the people as a single body" against "a vicious enemy which acts in a way similar to Nazism, making no differentiation between man and woman, between children and old people".[1]
  • Article 21 Promotes "mutual social responsibility" and urges members "to consider the interests of the masses as their own personal interests."[1]
  • Article 22 Makes sweeping claims about Jewish influence and power.[1][30] It specifically claims that the Jews were responsible for instigating multiple revolutions and wars, including the French Revolution, World War I, and the Russian Revolution. It also claims that Jews control the United Nations, and that they are supported by "the imperialistic forces in the Capitalist West and Communist East."[1]
  • Article 23 Expresses support for all Islamic movements "if they reveal good intentions and dedication to Allah."[1]
  • Article 24 Prohibits "slandering or speaking ill of individuals or groups."[1]
  • Article 25 Discourages Islamic movements from seeking foreign support and expresses support for other Palestinian nationalist movements.[1]
  • Article 26 Allows consultation with other Palestinian movements that are neutral in international affairs.[1]
  • Article 27 Praises the PLO but condemns its secularism.[1]
  • Article 28 Conspiracy charges against Israel and the whole of the Jewish people: "Israel, Judaism and Jews".[1][30] It claims that "Zionist organizations" aim to destroy society through moral corruption and eliminating Islam, and are responsible for drug trafficking and alcoholism.[1]
  • Article 30: Calls on "writers, intellectuals, media people, orators, educaters and teachers, and all the various sectors in the Arab and Islamic world" to pursue jihad.[1]
  • Article 31 Describes Hamas as "a humanistic movement", which "takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions". "Under the wing of Islam", it is possible for Islam, Christianity and Judaism "to coexist in peace and quiet with each other" provided that members of other religions do not dispute the sovereignty of Islam in the region.[1]
  • Article 32 Hamas condemns as co-plotters the "imperialistic powers" seeking to corrupt all Arab countries one by one, leaving Palestine as the final bastion of Islam.[30] States that the Zionists' plan is set forth in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and that they intend to expand their control from the Nile to the Euphrates.[1][31]
  • Article 33 calls upon Muslims worldwide to work for liberation of Palestine.[1]
  • Article 34 represents the Temple Mount in Jerusalem as the axis mundi, the sacred point where divine cosmology and temporal history meet.[32] Along with Article 35 it compares Israel with an imperialist-colonialist movement. The articles reflect and draws upon past examples of Crusader and Mongol invasions, both of which initially were successful but were eventually repelled.[33][34]
  • Article 36 outlines the goals of Hamas.[35


The part that really gets @Dropperneck 's juices flowing:

With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.[1]

You guys are asking Israel to do the impossible. There can be no peace when a jihadist death cult controls Palestine. What else can Israel do when they warn civilians to evacuate then Hamas stops them from leaving? When they purposely embed their military operations in civilian targets?

If you care about the Palestinian people you ought to be talking about how to empower a legitimate governing body and what should be done about Hamas and other jihadist groups.
 
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