Is Your Vagina Drug-Free?

[pennywise]

Dude, you must not have read the article, or my response, or others responses either.

The story was reported in more than just one article in one paper. Someone from the area commented in this thread that it was all over the news, in many sources. So unless all those sources are biased, your claims of bias have no validity at all.

If she had something to gain, she would have already filed suit. She would have consulted lawyers, and they would have advised her to pursue the complaint further than the internal affairs department. They wouldn't have let IA manipulate her the way they did. There is no suit. She isn't avoiding charges either. They were unable to charge her.

And this bullshit about her possibly being a crackhead. They didn't find any evidence of that. There is no evidence presented anywhere, by anyone. In fact, judging from the commentary of people who knew her, she isn't even close to anything like that.

Finally, the cops don't have the right to pull you over for no reason. That is only in certain specified areas, and there are strict limitations to this ability. The article doesn't say whether or not this was one of those areas, but it implies that it wasn't. Regardless, they violated her rights by searching her car, person, and cell phone without probable cause or due process. So they weren't acting within the boundaries of the law anyway.

All this is presented in the article and responses of people in the thread. You can ignore it if you want, but that doesn't change the facts.

 

[lagomorpha]

Cop cars have video cameras on them and cops have recorders on them on at all times. If she was really raped, how come none of it was caught on tape? I can understand, sure, maybe that wouldn't get caught, it'd be hard to see a hand going down her pants in the dark. But wouldn't the recording have overheard her pleas to be taken to the station? That in itself would call for question into more investigation. It could also prove if she was full of shit or not - like if there is no recording of her asking to be taken to another station, if she was never even searched, et cetera.

Who controls the cameras? The cop. Cops are not supposed to turn their cameras off, but they frequently do. Also condemning tapes frequently have a habit of going missing. If there was a tape showing the cop pulling her over and not raping her, the department would announce it immediately.

 

[phr]

Also, they know what area their camera is able to see...

 

[pennywise]

If there is camera evidence exonerating them, why haven't they brought it forward? Hmmm....curious.

You argue that simply because a newspaper chooses to print a story, it is biased. You also argue that, because (you believe) the story comes from a biased source, we cannot believe it.

Therefore, by your logic, we cannot believe anything printed in the newspaper, because simply printing it proves bias, and biased accounts can not be believed. That is absurd.

I think you are confused about hearsay as well. The fact that you spell it "heresy," which actually means opposition to church doctrine, makes that pretty clear in and of itself. Hearsay is usually reserved for courts. You cannot testify that someone told you that someone else did something. It is three steps removed from the original source. You might be able to argue that this is hearsay if the paper was reporting what someone told the paper the woman told them. But that is not the case. The paper is reporting what the woman said directly to them. It is only one step removed from you hearing it. It is not hearsay. Furthermore, if you are arguing that the simple fact that it is reported by a newspaper makes it hearsay, and thus it cannot be believed, then by your logic, everything that is reported in the newspaper is hearsay and cannot be believed. That, also, is absurd.

Like I already said, even if all the failings of your arguments that I have just pointed out were not there, and even assuming that one were to, for the sake of argument, say that we simply could not believe anything from this newspaper as a source as being credible, it still wouldn't matter because the story was reported by several other unrelated news sources. Unless they are all biased in some monumental conspiracy to persecute the police with fake rape accusations (which is also absurd), then your arguments of bias have no foundation whatever.

So basically everything you said is absurd.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

There is no evidence presented anywhere, by anyone.

EXACTLY MY POINT. Therefore claiming this lady is a rockwhore is just as bad as saying these cops are racists.

Therefore, by your logic, we cannot believe anything printed in the newspaper, because simply printing it proves bias, and biased accounts can not be believed. That is absurd.

Almost there. No, it means take everything with a grain of salt, and realize it is all biased. Biased does not mean nonfactual, it simply means it is intentionally meant to lead you to a certain opinion, for better or worse.

And this bullshit about her possibly being a crackhead. They didn't find any evidence of that. There is no evidence presented anywhere, by anyone. In fact, judging from the commentary of people who knew her, she isn't even close to anything like that.

They also found no evidence of the cops raping her.

I didn't say she was a crackhead. I simply said it's just as plausible as these cops being rapists. Until evidence comes forth, all we have is heresy.

You calling these cops rapists is just as bad as if I said the lady was a crackhead.

 

[pennywise]

We have the woman's statements. I addressed this in my first post. Cops often get away with things like this because it is the woman's word against the cops, and people like you want to apologize and cover up these kinds of abuses because you think that we should "cut them a break" because "their job is sooo hard." Bullshit. A lot of people have hard jobs, it doesn't give you the excuse to go out there and rape someone with your hand.

We have her statements, and the fact that there is little reason not to believe her. I'm not going to reiterate all the reasons why this is so. You can read my other posts for that (which you apparently haven't done yet). Long story short, she has nothing to gain and a lot to lose from making and pursuing these allegations, and there are several facts which are consistent with this assertion.

Do you really think the paper would waste its time with this if some strung out gap-toothed dirty crack whore came in claiming a cop raped them during a search for drugs? They would call security, or at best give her a dollar and tell her to buy some food and get herself some help. The fact that this is such a big deal in the news is probably because this is (unfortunate as this reality may be) an upstanding, middle-class white woman. It would still be wrong if it was the crack whore, but the fact is that the newspapers wouldn't report it if there was any significant reason to doubt the woman's credibility. They aren't stupid, they don't want to be discredited or seen as going after the police. They cover their ass on stuff like this, which is why I believe that it is very very likely that it occurred exactly as it was reported.

I imagine the cops didn't comment because they know that they will get blown out of the water if they put their asses on the line like that out in public, because they know they are guilty.

 

[FISHTAIL]

How The Fuck Was This Not Heard About Everywhere?!?!?!?!

 

[paranoid android]

I think it's pretty gross that many of you just automatically believe this lady was raped.

It's pretty sick, in my opinion, that people give no respect to the police and give them no doubt. People make all sorts of sick accusations against cops.

I'm not trying to diminish what happened if it really did, but the fact that so many of you take sides with only the information of a biased newspaper shows a propensity to be partial towards one side over the other.

The fucking cops always pull shit like this. They violate peoples rights all the fucking time so stuff like this happens all the time im sure. Up here the last city police chief was put up on sexual harassment charges but of course they where dropped. The one before him was actually convicted of sexual assault but got probation.

Cops taking advantage of women is nothing new thats for sure. They think they can get away with it because they are cops and thus are above the law. Many people think the sun shines out of the cops assholes and they can do nothing wrong. People respect cops more then people doing other jobs for some reason. They are put up on a pedestal and their word is worth more then the average persons people get convicted just by the word of a cop. Why the hell should their word be worth more then mine or anyone elses. They are no different then the guy working construction except they are less honest.

These cops should be charged with rape among other things and should not see the light of day again for atleast 10 years. They will get whats coming to them if they ended up in prison. Unless they get put in protective custody of course like most cops do.

 

[*Love*Lite*]

Ill just start by saying that THIS article is CRAZY, Im actually surprised that i didn't hear about it sooner if it did happen a year ago. I honestly could not believe some of the comments made tho... Im not the biggest fan of cops, having had a few bad run in's myself, but, I wouldn't go so far as to say that I would kill a cop or harm a cop if I had the chance. I also would NEVER call a woman who is brave enough to come forward and try to take actions to right the wrong a liar about being sexually assaulted by an officer of the law. I mean TR has gone to great legnths in the past to simply argue, but this time i had to say something...

Newspapers are always biased, they choose what they print. The fact that this paper printed this article shows bias. Why did they choose to print this, instead of an article about how a cop saved the day?

You are obviously biased.... EVERYONE is biased in someway... cant ask the newspapers to be any different. If they were unbiased news would be boring, you've really got to take a stand. The news paper probably got wind of the story and thought... hmmm heres something that is not right... something needs to be done about this, so they chose to print it. It is after all NEWS WORTHY.

Legally, she was probably pulled over for suspicion of solicitation. If you are driving around in a known drug neighborhood, cops have every right to pull you over.

UM.... it said she was pulled over for failure to signal and no ticket was ever given.

As for search, she may have given consent and not known or 'forgot'. Truth of the matter, only the recordings on the police have the truth. We'll never know.

Wait... I forgot to tell the cop that he COULD search my Vagina..... shit. Even if she did consent to the search of her car I DOUBT she would consent to a cavity search on the street.

why trust the cops?? "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." You are always looking for an argument.... what do you honestly have to prove by arguing that this woman is lying??!!!

 

[Enabled]

I can just imagine a world where you ruled, everyone would be locked up just because of heresy 8)

Haha the Spanish Inquisition rides again!

But seriously how can you expect members of a drug using community to not be biased against the police? They are the force by which we're oppressed, under whom we suffer great injustices, after all.

 

[Chaos23]

Is Your Vagina Drug-Free? Albany's Narcs Want to Know
Phillip Smith
Speakeasy Main
3.10.08


Quail Street, just off Central Avenue.

Lol. I used to live on Quail street just off central ave in Albany.. It is kinda ghetto but it isnt THAT bad... In fact, it is affectionately called the student ghetto by all of the locals. Thousands of students who go to UAlbany live right in that area...

i just think it is funny that I used to live where this took place. Albany cops are the worst man. I had my fair share of run ins with them. Once a cop backhanded me in the face and made my nose bleed. He called me a pussy and was being ultra aggressive. What the fuck. I was blacked out drunk though, but I still don't think I deserved to get slapped by an Albany cop.

 

[chicpoena]

I swear this country is slowly turning into a police state, I cant wait until I get off probation so I can get the hell out of this fucked up place

This country IS a police state!

 

[lazydullard]

i've had women claim sexual assault/harassment when they get the wrong burger when they go through drive-thru (or their ex-boyfriend was serving them). This story sounds pretty true though. Just some dirty, evil, hic cop. I'm pretty sure this kind of stuff happens a lot.

hope the girl has enough money to litigate vengeance.

 

[nikol]

In Texas, they (citizens) shoot burglars all the time, even the ones that try to run away. And they don't get charged. But if you're enjoying the weed in the privacy of your home, prepare to be put in a cell with career shoplifters and abusive spouses for the night.

That's the way Oklahoma is- we have the "make my day" law, which means that if someone pulls a "deadly weapon" on you, you are allowed to shoot them.