is tren really that bad?

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I'm asking the fucking questions!
Been doing a lot of research (well reading peoples tren logs, not detailed research) lately and I've noticed that 90% of the time, these dreaded tren sides are not apparent? I've been lead to believe that the sides from tren are woeful and soul destroying (well a bit of an exageration here).
Night sweats seem to be the only consistent side effect I've noticed, and only still about 50% of people are without this.

It seems that people who cycle tren alone also get less sides than whilst with test? I don't know if I'm looking in the wrong places or what but this doesn't make no sense to me, I've seen many reports of little to no shutdown whilst running tren. A quick google of “tren only cycle” will show what I mean.

Have I been mislead? Is tren really less intolerable than I have been lead to believe?

Out of principal I would never run a cycle of anything without a test base so don't fill this thread with shite about how tren shouldn't be run on its own.

Personal experiances anyone?
 
All depends on the person, the dose, and the type of tren (ace, enan, etc).

I have been using tren on and off for a dozen years. I can say this, IF you are in fact a candidate for tren...I would use ACE and ONLY ACE. Do not touch enan...enan is for those who have had experience with ACE, and know what doses their body can handle.

If you are in fact a valid candidate, I would start at around 300mg EW. If you do well with that dose and the sides don't hit you too hard, you can try bumping it up another 100mg. If you one of those guys that gets real bad reactions to tren, the sides will go away real quick if you use ACE. If you use enan, you have to suck it up and wait for the longer ester to clear your system and you will have to deal with the sides, and that could be for a couple weeks.

Some guys do well at 300mg EW. Others can handle 1g+ EW. We are all different, and we all react differently to different compounds. If you do decide to run some tren, I suggest getting you hands on some caber or prami....I would personally rather use caber as prami often has some nasty and annoying sides. I can't stress enough that you should use ace and not enan. I know many that took too much enan and life was HELL for a few weeks. Night sweats, anxiety attacks, high BP, rage, paranoia, etc.

If you overdo it, your body will overload and the sides will kick the shit out of you. I'll be happy to try and help you out with any specific questions you might have. I live and breath the stuff.

Good to see that you know that test is needed in every cycle as a base.




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I know my ins and outs of aas use but am by no means an expert. What is the use of caber or prami for tren? I thought tren didn't aromotise? Though saying that I know its a progesterone or whatever, don't know much about it though to be honest...
 
There is more than one form of gyno. All 19-nor-androgens (So chemical structure Family of e.g. Deca -Durabolin and Trenbolone ) can cause progesterone induced gyno. The more powerful the androgen, the more it stimulates the estradiol-receptor.

Tren can most certainly cause some prolactin issues, just like any other 19nor. It can cause HPTA shut down, aggression, acne, etc. (it's induced by prolactin...not the same as gyno induced by test)

Caber is a better choice than prami. Besides, most LOVE the effects of caber. Your wife or GF will enjoy them to. ;) Run caber and a good AI (adex or aromasin)...better safe than sorry.




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Would it be wise to not run caber at first to see if these sides are tolerable? And is progest related gyno much of a problem? Mostt people don't need an ai for 500mg test, is this true also for 400mg tren as example?
 
I always like to play things safe....but I also get constant blood work done. If someone is going to run a cycle of test @ 500mg EW & 400mg of tren EW, I would most certainly run an AI and caber. I have seen many guys in my time not do so, and end up paying for it later on down the road. There is a reason why we have these compounds in the AAS arena. I would also run HCG at 500iu a week starting week 2 until you begin PCT.





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VictorZ06 said:
I always like to play things safe....but I also get constant blood work done. If someone is going to run a cycle of test @ 500mg EW & 400mg of tren EW, I would most certainly run an AI and caber. I have seen many guys in my time not do so, and end up paying for it later on down the road. There is a reason why we have these compounds in the AAS arena. I would also run HCG at 500iu a week starting week 2 until you begin PCT./V
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I ran a cycle almost identical to this (test 500mg EW, TrenA 350mg EW) along with a solid cutting diet and had great results. I also ran an AI however I didn't use any cabergoline (kept it on hand of course). Add in some Eq and you have one of the best lean mass cycles IMO.
 
You always want to run Tren with Test to maintain energy and libido. Tren should never be ran alone because it shuts down natty Test. All you need is 150mg of Test a week, you don't have to run a large dose. Tren should be pinned ED. This EOD shit is for people trying to save money and it only leads to increased side effects. ED equates to stable plasma levels. You want stability.

Tren is a steroid some people love and other people hate. Side effects include anger, mood swings, anxiety, insomnia, paranoia, excessive sweating, and night sweats. It's not to be underestimated. I just recently started running Tren from a reputable UGL I got hooked up with and it's fucking blowing me away.
 
Trenbolone is an important steroid though. If you are going to go pro or even if you want that fitness model look Trenbolone can help you reach your goal easier but it comes a price, namely the emotional rollercoaster it puts a person through.

I always advise people to start at 50mg ED to gauge how they react. There is no need for someone new to steroids to use 100mg ED. That's just foolish and a waste of time and money.
 
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Guido, are you not the one who says test can be shot once a week instead of twice? But you say tren should be shot ed instead of eod?
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They have different esters. Guido is right....you can pin test e/c once a week, but 2 X a week is better. You can pin tren ace EOD, but ED is better. The reason for this is to prevent blood plasma levels from fluctuating up and down. You have to look at the ester bro.



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nolys said:
Guido, are you not the one who says test can be shot once a week instead of twice? But you say tren should be shot ed instead of eod?
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We did some research on steroid esters a while back, and their release times into the blood-stream.. There are not many studys out there but what there are show Testosterone on the Enanthate Ester starts to release into the bloodstream and hits a peak after about 2 days, it then reduces at a steady (ish) rate to account for that compounds half-life of about 5 days.... The difference in blood concentrations after 2 days to day 7 (ie 5 days after it peaks) is significant enough to warrant pinning ever 3 days (with half the amount) to avoid the drop in blood concentrations you would experience if you pinned a normal dose once a week.....
Ideally you might be best once every 5 days, if you did want to pin closer to once a week.......
There's not that much in it on say 500mg/week but when you start getting up there, the peaks and troughs can get noticeable......

This hypothesis applies the same to Tren Ace, but in hours rather than days.... So important to avoid peaks and troughs in bloods just the same, especially with such a potentially volatile compound.....
 
Depends on the person some don't get bad sides some do. Only real way is to try. Guido's suggestion of 50mg ed tren a is a nice starting point. Once you know how you react to it at lowish ed doses you can try eod, tren e, higher doses, ....

Also a lot of people online claim that they get less sides with trt lvl test (to provide the biological functions only it can) + a little higher tren (to grow, gain strength, ..). A lot also claim this is bullshit and that test should always be higher, so again you probably need to try these things for yourself to be sure.
 
VictorZ06 said:
They have different esters. Guido is right....you can pin test e/c once a week, but 2 X a week is better. You can pin tren ace EOD, but ED is better. The reason for this is to prevent blood plasma levels from fluctuating up and down. You have to look at the ester bro.



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I know this I was assuming people understood that I meant test e/c shot once a week as opposed to 2, compared to tren ed as opposed to oed. I mean that he says test once a week is fine, but tren eod is not fine. I know freqeunt injections = more stable blood levels.
If I were to hop on tren ace I would shoot 50mg ed along with test prop/ace. Though that is really at least 1 cycle away...

I'm thinking of a basic 15 week 500mg test cycle now, then perhaps a test500/tren250 for my next cycle.

Would anybody disagree with this? My 1 previous cycle was a fail so this next one will be my first proper cycle. Reason I wasn't gonna cycle tren in the near future was because I'd heard such bad shit about it, but the more I've researched, the sides of tren seem less and less bad (can't think of a better word lol).

Tren for a second cycle by somebody with a decent knowledge on training/diet/steroids? Yes or no? And why?
 
Too much effort my man ill give you the basics

6“
175lb
Bf roughly 12% atm

Not going to lie, I havnt trained in months, I was at 9% bf @ about 195 about 8 months ago halfway through my first cycle when I got stung with a fake vial, lost a shitlot of weight, lost all my motivation, ended up depressed and the only way I'm going to start training again is with testosterone.

I know that's a shit way to look at training and I'm ashamed at myself for stopping training and not having the determination or motivation to get back at it. But that's just how it is I can't bear the thought of starting again from scratch without help.

My stats atm are not good enough to merit a cycle, or at least I don't think they are but I know how to train, how to eat and how to cycle properly. I lost 2-3 years progress in 3 months. I used to be very self confident about my body, now I hate it, even though I'm still bigger than 90% of people
 
I noticed that you've had experience with tren. What would be the best way to start a cycle? Which one would I use? And how much of a dose should I use for my first cycle? And does it matter what kind of estrogen blocker I use? And
 
Great post here! I agree that you should take a low does of test while on Tren as it will shut you down. You don't need a lot since it's the Tren that's going to do the work. I posted my experience with Tren E. I'm pretty sure Guido is talking about Tren Ace. Unless you are competing and really want high doses, i'd say once you've established that you don't have issues serious with Tren Ace, move over to E. I know that can be controversial here with some people but if you aren't competing, why pin every day? Heck, I plan on competing in a PL competition and I take Tren E but I'm going the "half natty" route. lol.

FYI. What I'm saying is that I'm trying to get as strong as possible using as little as possible so the above is only a "half joke" =)
 
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VictorZ06 said:
All depends on the person, the dose, and the type of tren (ace, enan, etc).

I have been using tren on and off for a dozen years. I can say this, IF you are in fact a candidate for tren...I would use ACE and ONLY ACE. Do not touch enan...enan is for those who have had experience with ACE, and know what doses their body can handle.

If you are in fact a valid candidate, I would start at around 300mg EW. If you do well with that dose and the sides don't hit you too hard, you can try bumping it up another 100mg. If you one of those guys that gets real bad reactions to tren, the sides will go away real quick if you use ACE. If you use enan, you have to suck it up and wait for the longer ester to clear your system and you will have to deal with the sides, and that could be for a couple weeks.

Some guys do well at 300mg EW. Others can handle 1g+ EW. We are all different, and we all react differently to different compounds. If you do decide to run some tren, I suggest getting you hands on some caber or prami....I would personally rather use caber as prami often has some nasty and annoying sides. I can't stress enough that you should use ace and not enan. I know many that took too much enan and life was HELL for a few weeks. Night sweats, anxiety attacks, high BP, rage, paranoia, etc.

If you overdo it, your body will overload and the sides will kick the shit out of you. I'll be happy to try and help you out with any specific questions you might have. I live and breath the stuff.

Good to see that you know that test is needed in every cycle as a base.




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1. I'm taking 500 crp EW. How much arimidex should I be taking.
2. I want to take 500 of tren how much caber should I take ?
3. Does tren make ur hair come out ? If so what should I use to prevent this.
4. Should I run the caber and arimidex throughout my cycle instead of waiting till the end I would rather squash it before it happens then have to deal with it at the end.
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