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Opioids Is this even possible??? (opiate withdrawal)

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Hey, how's it going? First post! I don't really care about posting this anonymously, but I just registered today, and I can't make threads or anything else apparently. Anyway, I've probably read almost every thread related to opiate dependence, withdrawal, etc. over the last few years, along with a good portion of the other opiate-related threads in OD and elsewhere.

I'm finally posting now because I'm wondering if I'm about to go into full-blown withdrawal sometime soon or if I'm not going to or what... For the past 2 years, I've been averaging about 100-160 mg oxy daily, usually insufflated, sometimes eaten, never any other ROAs. At any rate, I'm going on a trip for a few weeks soon, so I have been trying to taper down. My plan is to have gone through physical withdrawal before I leave--sometime next week.

Last week, I tapered down to about 40mg by Thursday, starting at 80 that Sunday and working down. Anyway, Friday and Saturday, I did 20mg each day, then yesterday and today, I have completely switched to only taking 3 darvocets a day. I'll sketch out that schedule below:

2 years every day: 100+ mg oxy
Sunday, Mar 28: 80mg oxy
Monday: 80 mg oxy
Tuesday: 60 mg oxy
Wednesday: 60 mg oxy
Thursday: 40 mg oxy
Friday: 20 mg oxy, 2 100 mg darvocets
Saturday: 20 mg oxy, 2 100 mg darvocets
Sunday: 3 100 mg darvocets
Monday (today): 2 100 mg darvocets so far (it's 6PM)

My question is, I guess, what the fuck is going on? I haven't even started to feel bad once. It's now been almost 2 whole days w/ no oxycodone at all, and the 2 days prior consisted of 20mg oxy max, which is pretty much nothing if you're used to doing a lot more like I am. I mean, I can't seriously believe that I am somehow replacing a full 100+ daily oxy habit w/ 2 or 3 darvs. My goal was to taper down and quit, with the darvocet providing a little help to ease the immense withdrawal pain, but I never imagined they would completely stop/prolong it. Is it too soon? Am I going to wake up vomiting uncontrollably in the middle of the night? If I feel okay tomorrrow would it be okay to I guess taper down to 2 darvocets a day??

I apologize for all the questions, I'm really just kind of blown away by this right now. I've been building myself up for a week of immense pain I have to get through before I leave the country (so I won't be suffering through w/d on my trip), and so far I don't feel bad at all, and I guess it's day 2 w/ no oxy at all, just low doses of propoxyphene??! WTF??! If I have a third day on just propoxyphene where I don't feel any real withdrawal symptoms, I guess I'm going to taper that too and just quit entirely by the weekend. Any input about this is welcome. I'm just sort of confused/apprehensive right now and am wondering what's to come???????????
 
well you still have opiates in your system, even if they are really weak ones, I mean you SHOUlD be feeling kind of shitty already but who knows, the only way to find out is to not take any opiate at all and see if the withdrawals start. So you really dont feel any withdrawals at all today? even when you first woke up before you took the 2 100 mg darvocet?
 
I remember reading somewhere that like 1% or maybe even smaller % of the population will not get physical withdrawals from opiate addiction. Not sure if you are one of them...

My friend also does not seem to suffer from w/d, at least not in anyway noticeable (maybe depression or cravings) and he will use for weeks with no end in an extreme way and abruptly stop. He has access to subs and doesn't even use it. I don't get it.
 
hey- they finally activated my account, that first post was mine.

it's night 2, and i still feel relatively fine. i have now taken 3 darvocet 100 mgs today, but no other opiates. i understand i still have opiates in my system, albeit really weak ones. i guess what i'm wondering more than anything is: if i can in fact last a day or 2 more on just a couple 100 mg darvocets w/out ever feeling really bad, at what point can i just drop off entirely and assume i'm not going to get really harsh withdrawal? i imagine that if i haven't suffered any seriously negative effects from switching from 100+ oc daily to 300 mg propoxyphene, then the drop from a few darvocets a day to nothing (probably tapered over 3 or 4 days) should not be that bad.

let me be clear: i have experienced some of the RLS and general abdominal malaise that are hallmarks of opiate withdrawal, and i have a prescription to lorazepam which helps, but thus far i have not been really feeling too bad to speak of at all- certainly not the sort of hellish experience i expected. any thoughts? when i stop taking darvocet, am i going to get the fullblown w/d i expected or did i somehow succesfully manage a quick taper onto darvocet and i may be able to get out of this relatively unscathed? because that would be so rad!

i'll update tomorrow if i'm still not sick. :)
 
my feeling is you are most likely going to get full blown withdrawal dude you've been using 100mg oxy daily for 2yrs + ur insufflating. either bring dome blues or oc80's on the trip or try to procure like 10 or 15 subs maybe even more if it's going to be a few weeks. think one sub will hold u everyday and taper that down and if you really want to quit this taper plan might just wrk with you feeling little to no w/d pain.
 
It's the Darvocets dude. Wait till you stop em. I did the same exact thing as you except with tramadol...was just fine. As soon as the trams stopped....oh lord...
 
dwade, i would think so too. i thought i would get them probably sunday or at least today. i mean, don't get me wrong, although i average over 100 a day, i've been able to maintain on like 40-50mg on days when i couldn't get more for one reason or another, so it was not that big of a surprise that i was able to sucessfully taper down to the 40, but when i switched to 20 mg and darvocet for 2 days, and then the last 2 days w/ just like 3 darvocets... i really would have thought i would have seen more signs of them by now if i was going to really suffer. if i continue to be okay just taking 3 darvocets a day, then i really think i should be able at some point soon to just stop that over a period of a few days... am i deluding myself?
 
80mg, NO! Don't ruin my dream! LOL!

man, are u serious? that sucks! so they ended up being just as bad? do u think switching to the trams first helped at all? maybe i should just get another scrip for either trams or darvs before i leave for the trip? seriously though, if i can maintain on 3 darvocet 100s for several days, shouldn't i just be able to taper those to nothing relatively easily? hell, i never realized that they were good for anything at all until this very minute; the w/drawal from those alone can't be that bad...
 
Stop everything and see what happens if it gets real bad take some more darvocet for relief. But I think your gonna be hurtin for around 5 days 2 years of daily use is a long time.
 
80mg, NO! Don't ruin my dream! LOL!

man, are u serious? that sucks! so they ended up being just as bad? do u think switching to the trams first helped at all? maybe i should just get another scrip for either trams or darvs before i leave for the trip? seriously though, if i can maintain on 3 darvocet 100s for several days, shouldn't i just be able to taper those to nothing relatively easily? hell, i never realized that they were good for anything at all until this very minute; the w/drawal from those alone can't be that bad...

Ok...I say, stop it all tommorow....if you don't go through withdrawl within 24 hours, consider yourself blessed. If you do....you have two choices

A) Wein yourself down on the darvs so your clean for your trip

B) Have some sort of opiate too last your duration of the trip

I hope your one of that less than 1% who dosent W/D, but I doubt it man :(
 
my plan is definitely to ween myself down on the darvs. is it really necessary for me to stop and enter full blown wd first or can i just continue what i'm doing and gradually reduce the dose? i mean, i'm only taking 3 of them a day now. i guess i can switch to 2 in a couple days, then one, etc.

am i to understand that even if i am able to continue down on the darvs that at some point i will still be getting the full wd i should from stopping 100+ oxy/day? why even bother to ween at all? i'm sure i can get another prescription to darvocet before i leave if i have to. it just seems like if i can continue w/ the darvs and gradually cut them back, then i should be able to step off the opiate train much more lightly than jumping off when it was going full throttle at 100+ oc/day
 
also, just to be clear: i fully expect bad withdrawals if i stop altogether right now, that's not what i mean at all. i'm more wondering if i can keep on just taking 3 darvocets a day until say wednesday, then switch that to 2 for a couple days, then one for a few more days, then finally nothing... somewhere in there you all think i'm going to hit really bad w/d regardless?
 
That's a pretty aggressive taper plan so I'd expect some W/Ds but it should hold any heavy sickness at bay for a bit.
 
at what point do you think i can level off to where i am only dependent on a small amount of propoxyphene rather than a large amount of oxycodone? should i wait a few days w/ what i'm doing so that can happen b4 i taper the darvocet? i'm trying to keep sickness minimal. i don't mind some discomfort but would prefer to not be bedridden, throwing up/dryheaving, fever/chills, what have you.

is it a possibility? also, this is not a plan to hold me until i get another scrip or anything, although i guess i can get more darvocet if i have to so i don't ruin the trip. i would like to just stop being physically dependent on opiates. do u think i can achieve that goal w/ minimal sickness if i keep the darvocet steady a few days then taper it?
 
what exactly is kratom? i have wikipedia'd it, and i see people mention it here all the time. it's not an opiate but it is a mu agonist? something like that? where do u even get kratom? PLEASE DON'T READ THAT AS SEEKING DRUGS --- as i understand it, it's legal, right?? in the us?? --- I JUST MEAN GENERALLY WHERE WOULD ONE ACQUIRE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? also, what does it do to you? is it a good feeling? would u taper down the darvs, then switch to kratom for a few days, then nothing or what? LOL, i am soo full of questions tonight! hope i'm not bothering anyone...
 
I did the exact same taper with darvs. From experience, you will go into WD's once you quit the darvs. The next morning after you quit the darvs, you should be prepared to not want to move. Darvs may be weak, but they are a God send for WD's. I'm clean now but it took a while and was painful, even with the darv taper. My advice to you is to get some opiates for the trip if you want to enjoy it, other than that good luck. Also if you can quit and be fine, like someone said, consider yourself blessed. Although, I highly doubt you will be fine, sorry dude.
 
i think u can get codeine otc in most of europe, right? i guess if a couple darvocets a day is holding me, i could just look into getting some of that legally over there and probably be fine.

thanks for the input drewskie, btw, glad to hear from someone who has actually done this. i think i can prob get another darv refill before i go and then supplement that w/ otc codeine if necessary. so i'm pretty much stuck doing opiates if i want to enjoy this u think? what a bummer, i really want to quit
 
on a positive note, just knowing i can survive on darvocet (to which i am validly prescribed but had not refilled in like a year), ought to save me a lot of money even if i can't quit altogether yet. man, i'd like to though
 
on a positive note, just knowing i can survive on darvocet (to which i am validly prescribed but had not refilled in like a year), ought to save me a lot of money even if i can't quit altogether yet. man, i'd like to though

So do it man. Im just wondering...you said you know youll have withdrawl? Like....have you gotten any symptons at all?? That's why Im wondering if you havent yet...if you even will 8)
 
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