Is this a very strong CANCER coursing cathinone ?

[raising_da_piggy]

I'm really sorry if I've confused any one I've been looking at a 3 ( diethylamino ) phenol.

 

[4DQSAR]

In Russia people would often use PPA or (pseudo)ephedrine to DIY their own (meth)cathinone. Neither are 'novel'.

Specific synthesis discussions are not permitted on this site.

What I can say is that the two facile 'kitchen chemistry' routes require an efficient workup (isolation of product). There are a number of papers concerning the high number of young Russians who ended up with severe, permanent neurological damage because they failed to remove one or more of the reagents from the final product.

In short, it's a very bad idea, don't do it.

 

[raising_da_piggy]

My apologies if I've coursed any confusion.... it certainly clears a few things up knowing I've been looking at 3(diethylamino)phenol, I wrote at the library and for some reason thought it was ppa lol.... please help me on my quest....

 

[Smyth2]

that's the manganese causes Parkinson's right?

 

[BadBoy377]

In Russia people would often use PPA or (pseudo)ephedrine to DIY their own (meth)cathinone. Neither are 'novel'.

Specific synthesis discussions are not permitted on this site.

What I can say is that the two facile 'kitchen chemistry' routes require an efficient workup (isolation of product). There are a number of papers concerning the high number of young Russians who ended up with severe, permanent neurological damage because they failed to remove one or more of the reagents from the final product.

In short, it's a very bad idea, don't do it.

Yeah, it's the manganese that causes the Parkinson's.

Am I right in thinking that the pseudo-parkinsonism was restricted to the group of IV users? Not smokers or oral users.

 

[raising_da_piggy]

In Russia people would often use PPA or (pseudo)ephedrine to DIY their own (meth)cathinone. Neither are 'novel'.

Specific synthesis discussions are not permitted on this site.

What I can say is that the two facile 'kitchen chemistry' routes require an efficient workup (isolation of product). There are a number of papers concerning the high number of young Russians who ended up with severe, permanent neurological damage because they failed to remove one or more of the reagents from the final product.

In short, it's a very bad idea, don't do it.

Ppa is racemic psuedoephedrine, wich can be obtained by reduction/sn1, it's a piggy theory so dnt hold me to it.

 

[Smyth2]

ppa is phenylpropanolamine, it's norephedrine. it's made when the nitroaldol reaction between benzaldehyde and nitroethane is done without dehydration to the nitrostyrene prior to the reduction step..

 

[raising_da_piggy]

ppa is phenylpropanolamine, it's norephedrine. it's made when the nitroaldol reaction between benzaldehyde and nitroethane is done without dehydration to the nitrostyrene prior to the reduction step..

This is true !
I'm not sure weather I have racephedrine or ppa , using psuedoephedrine as a starting precursor a reduction took place as well as an sn1 reaction I think ? I ended up with a bolus of white powder... I bombed about just over a gram and it gave me a good wakefull tickle for about 8 hours.

 

[4DQSAR]

Ppa is racemic psuedoephedrine, wich can be obtained by reduction/sn1, it's a piggy theory so dnt hold me to it.

No - it lacks the N-methyl moiety.

While the studies do state that the affected users IVed the drug, I remind people that in the former Soviet nations, almost all drugs are injected. When people have little money, they will tend to use the ROA to make the most of any drug they obtain. While the various manganese oxides aren't water soluble, other salts are. So the first step of the workup could yield a soluble compound. I certainly wouldn't discount the possibility. I'm not about to detail the workup - but chemists will have some idea of the possible issue. I wouldn't discount the possibility without testing.

But the actual product isn't very good. I suppose if people have no options, they may choose to use it, but it only briefly turned up outside of the former Soviet states and quickly lost favour. I presume people worked out a better use for the precursor, if you see what I mean.

 

[raising_da_piggy]

Yes like you say and assuming your talking about meth cathinone right ? That's not what I intend to make as I'm no expert in enol/keto tauturism so I'm assuming my product would just reformulate as psuedoephedrine/meth cathinone if you dnt no what's what and im not compfortable gassing to secure enaniometer.I'm particularly interested In a butyl cathinone stims and was hoping if I'm really lucky it would end up as butylone or summin like it, or atleast i can get a good footing whilst im doing it to one day synth it as this compound is so so much fun. The pills with butylone in were called doves and you used to be able to buy them from head shops. The best way to describe these was "power"hard roll not much come down,a profound sence of heaven, cognitive abilitys turned up a notch,yet ineffable,a unique aspect , for me a real serendipitous neich was discovered and a very exquisite one at that. I didn't think mephedrone was as good, 3-mmc, 4-mmc , seemed a little lacking any profoundness , a little banal . I did come across some crystals once wich I think we're meth cathinone, and never been so tweaked, it's like my fingers were emitting elecktric as I was thinking faster and with better dynamics and more concisely.Ive done a load of other cathinones but dnt no what they are and want to respect the fact this is not a trip report forum.i suppose the only option I have is to knuckle down and read more organic chemistry as I'm no expert and join a forum that's more suited to synthesis as well. Im all ears boys and girls ... shout me.

 

[4DQSAR]

From 3(diethylamino)phenol?

CAS 91-68-9?

I'm uncertain what synthetic pathway you are proposing.

But I say again, we don't discus syntheses here. There are other sites devoted to such matters. I'm sure people on those sites will provide appropriate responses.