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Is this a true ketamine report?

Cface

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This report i read on erowid was very interesting to me and entices me to try ketamine even more. It seems like the whole "alternate reality within this reality" is something i could really enjoy about ketamine. However for some odd reason i get the idea that ketamine tripping is not this structured in its hallucinations compared to the report. Do you find this to be true or are the hallucinations really this "human."? Or perhaps the hallucinations are more abstract or distant from what humans do on a day-to-day basis?

Has anyone experienced such lucid dreaming on K?

Link to report: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=36748


to mods: sorry if this isn't in right section. Seemed right though.
 
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I don't know. I read the report, and I'm skeptical. I have alot of experience with K and, from my experience at least, I have never been able to recount the details of a K-hole, particularly one of such magnitude, so precisely once sober. Don't get me wrong, the idea of alternate and often metaphorical reality rings absolutely true. And while it's happening, it's incredibly vivid and all emcompassing. As a memory, it tends to exist more as a series of impressions, like a true dream.

It's a neat experience, but it should not be taken lightly. If you are planning to experiment with K, be careful. Don't do it alone the first time, and make sure you are in a safe, comfortable environment. And be prepared to not be prepared for what you will experience. No matter how many drugs you've done, you will not be expecting to go where this will take you.
 
thanks for the tips man. And thanks for telling me about the report, i did think it was a bit off as most folks who do K can't remember what happened.

Can i ask you something? Do the visuals often consist of weird LSD-like wall melting, or geometrical shapes like shrooms? I hate that shit, it's so abstract it confuses me quite often, no order, no logic IMHO. What i'm expecting is a more dreamy, slightly more logical and concrete experience versus the abstract behavior of most hallucinogens.
 
Cface said:
thanks for the tips man. And thanks for telling me about the report, i did think it was a bit off as most folks who do K can't remember what happened.

Can i ask you something? Do the visuals often consist of weird LSD-like wall melting, or geometrical shapes like shrooms? I hate that shit, it's so abstract it confuses me quite often, no order, no logic IMHO. What i'm expecting is a more dreamy, slightly more logical and concrete experience versus the abstract behavior of most hallucinogens.

I seriously think fractals, patterns and "things coming alive" sounds a bit more logic than weird dream-like hallucinations.
 
^ I guess it's just a matter of opinion on that. The tryptamines and PEAs are just really odd to me and make no sense. It's visuals are too "inhuman" for my tastes, if that makes any sense. It's not something that you can really rationalize as something that could or would happen and it seems so random. Maybe i'm just babbling...
 
Cface said:
^ I guess it's just a matter of opinion on that. The tryptamines and PEAs are just really odd to me and make no sense. It's visuals are too "inhuman" for my tastes, if that makes any sense. It's not something that you can really rationalize as something that could or would happen and it seems so random. Maybe i'm just babbling...

Yeah I see your point. I put too much attention to the word "logic" perhaps. As I said, patterns and fractals are logic to me. But yes, they are inhuman and might not make sense.

Peace.
 
Start with a small amout and if you like it move up from there... Ketamine is a super super strange drug/experience at high and levels - words cannot begin to describe it... I had a very strong K experience a few years ago and although I can remember it perfectly in my mind, trying to describe it ins't that easy (although I did try - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=264004)...
(Reading it again, I don't remember it being that bad, but with the acid & the K, it was fucking intense!)
I remember the first time I ever tried K, the sense of time distortion was quite apparent. Although I've had heavy trips with Ketamine, I've never really had any fear, or a bad 'trip'... Just a "what the fuck is going on" ;)
Take your world, flip it upside down and inside out, and that doesn't come close to a strong Ketamine experience...

Reading that Erowid report - the guy seems very coherent and seems to have had a 'lot' of hallucinations both aural and visual... While I have has some interesting visuals, I've not experienced things like what that guy described solely on K!
 
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K is a very interesting drug, it has metaphysical manifestation properties, i.e. you can manifest hallucinations on it.

However for me at least, K holing is a ride, whilst in the hole I am unaware that I am human, I don't know my name or who or what I am.
I also highly doubt that I would be able to correctly label hallucinations of real world things.

That report sounds like a lucid dream rather than a k hole, I have never heard of anyone else experiencing anything like that on ketamine.
 
Cface said:
Can i ask you something? Do the visuals often consist of weird LSD-like wall melting, or geometrical shapes like shrooms? I hate that shit, it's so abstract it confuses me quite often, no order, no logic IMHO. What i'm expecting is a more dreamy, slightly more logical and concrete experience versus the abstract behavior of most hallucinogens.

No, it's not really like that at all. Hard to explain though. It's way more introspective than it is visual. You are somewhere else, period. But it's enlightning, at least for me. The wikipedia entry for Ketamine (believe it or not) is pretty thorough. That might help give you some insight. And I found alot of the other trip reports on Eurowid to be pretty true to form. I would not define the experience as either concrete or logical, however. Wow, not at all! 8o

Let me know how it goes for you though. I know that, no matter how weird and overwhelming it ever got, I always came out of it feeling good about the experience. I hope it's the same for you.
 
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Once I'm in the hole, my concept of reality slowly floats off into nothingness. The hole is not made up of x,y,z,t(ime). It's something else entirely, and while I can recall the "visual" aspect, it is hard to describe. The "visuals", it seems, are not just experienced by your mind's eye; there is a high degree of sensory crosstalk (synaesthesia). Completely bizarre and different every time, to the point that two k-hole experiences can only be associated by that utterly alien vibration which accompanies the whole. Hole? I dunno.

It is interesting to note that, as I return to Earth, I start to remember my identity and conscious life, but I don't think ever that the ketamine world isn't just as real as my waking life. The two, in my mind, somehow coexist without contradiction. I remember during my first night-long K binge, as I finally came home, I was worried about explaining to my father how I managed to get stuck, half-and-half, in the k world and real world... as though my left half was made up of gears and firework-lightning and million-crowned mantises, while my right half is still pink and fleshy. The coexistence part of the trip leaves me with a huge mindfuck. Like I divided myself by zero or tripped and fell into a black hole or something equally silly.

Now, DMT + special k... is another story entirely!
 
Very interesting psychedelicious!

So are you currently having issues with the coexistance between both our reality and the K reality?
 
Cface said:
This report i read on erowid was very interesting to me and entices me to try ketamine even more. It seems like the whole "alternate reality within this reality" is something"

Yes, at HIGH doses of ketamine, especially when it's injected, you will get that paranoid "everybody knows".. however it's more than that... you can feel the connection between everything.

It's extremely difficult to explain, however. Simply because there is no way anyone could understand it without being there themselves.

It's not a recreational or fun expereince, either. You will lose yourself and your entire world and have to figure it out with extreme paranoai within in an hour.

The only other expereince that's at all similar is 10mgs or more of 5-MeO-DMT.

" i could really enjoy about ketamine. However for some odd reason i get the idea that ketamine tripping is not this structured in its hallucinations compared to the report."

No, you will hallucinated on high doses, however, it's nothing at all like what you would experience on hallucinations. Everything becomes extremely disjointed and you are really just rying to put everything together the entire time.

In my experiences with ketamine, it really just seemed to rip reality open. I would feel extremely vunerable and feel very connected to everything. Although, at the higher doses it was difficult to telll what anything was.

And for God's sake, don't smoke cigarettes while on ketamine. Because most likely you'll be so confused you won't realize they're there and end up burning holes in your pants.

To sum up my high doses ketamine expereinces... it was like having my ego dissolved and having to put everything back within an hour.

Again, it's NOT a "fun" drug. It's just weird and extremely introspective. It can be extremely scary as you have no idea of what's going on around you. It can take you up to 5 minutes before you realize that someone had been talking to you.

The only redeeming qualities of ketamine, in my opinion, where that it made for a very introspective hour and I would usually feel a happy glow for a few days following the experience.

But I would neither promote nor condone anyone using it reasonably.

"Do you find this to be true or are the hallucinations really this "human."? Or perhaps the hallucinations are more abstract or distant from what humans do on a day-to-day basis?"

No, you won't experience "true" hallucinations. It's more like you'll see everything in frames... and you'll miss a few here and there, so it's sort of like really odd slow motion. One minute somone can be on the left of you. Then he'll be sort of fragmented. And the next thing you know he's moved to the other side of you.

Also, it's not something that's at all rewarding to do after partying at a club all night on other drugs.

Exampe: I had a friend 10 years ago who had been partying all night. We got back to his house and he started snorting 100mg lines of ketamine. And he ended up taking off his shirt and pointing to various parts of his body trying to figure out where his nose was. WEIRD.
 
I think ketamine is more of a pleasure drug than an "enlightening" drug, it kind of makes me feel drunk, the whole world begins swerving around at an alarming rate. It is psychedelic in only a basic way, i.e. it breaks down boundaries between concepts (linguistic ones especially), and makes you kind of "remember ancient times" (only way I can be "arsed" to explain it). but to me, the drunken, circus-type absurdity is the overriding quality, and what makes it pleasurable, even addictive. it's kind of alcohol for acidheads. or is to acid what beer is to wine, if that makes any sense.
 
Never tried K(would love to!) but the visuals from high dose DXM are quite interesting indeed.
Think of an image in your head, for example some place youv been before, now while not on dissociatives, you can only look at the image like a photo, or painting.
Think of an image while on dissociatives and your mind not only creats that image for you, it also puts you into that "image", now it's no longer an image but actually a "world" where you can interact with your brain and do neat things.
Once I was on a 900mg DXM dose and at around the peak, when I had my eyes closed, I didnt notice they were closed because I could still "see" my room, things seemed to have an added shadowy texture to them, and I could not only see, I could move around in my room by just thinking about it... That was fuckin cool

Im sure this cant compare with the revelations special K gives, DXM is still really useful IMO. Tho im sure I would like K more.
 
ControlDenied said:
I think ketamine is more of a pleasure drug than an "enlightening" drug, it kind of makes me feel drunk, the whole world begins swerving around at an alarming rate. It is psychedelic in only a basic way, i.e. it breaks down boundaries between concepts (linguistic ones especially), and makes you kind of "remember ancient times" (only way I can be "arsed" to explain it). but to me, the drunken, circus-type absurdity is the overriding quality, and what makes it pleasurable, even addictive. it's kind of alcohol for acidheads. or is to acid what beer is to wine, if that makes any sense.

Yeah that does make some kind of sense.
 
psychedelicious said:
The coexistence part of the trip leaves me with a huge mindfuck. Like I divided myself by zero or tripped and fell into a black hole or something equally silly.



Divided yourself by zero. I love that! I'm not sure what it means, but at the same time i know EXACTLY what you mean! =D
 
ControlDenied said:
I think ketamine is more of a pleasure drug than an "enlightening" drug, it kind of makes me feel drunk, the whole world begins swerving around at an alarming rate. It is psychedelic in only a basic way, i.e. it breaks down boundaries between concepts (linguistic ones especially), and makes you kind of "remember ancient times" (only way I can be "arsed" to explain it). but to me, the drunken, circus-type absurdity is the overriding quality, and what makes it pleasurable, even addictive. it's kind of alcohol for acidheads. or is to acid what beer is to wine, if that makes any sense.

Psychedelic heroin, as DM Turner said.
 
Cface said:
Very interesting psychedelicious!

So are you currently having issues with the coexistance between both our reality and the K reality?
Thankfully, it only screws with me at the end of the trip... I'd be in big trouble, otherwise! It is quite strange that I acknowledge both as real for so long, though - I can ditch the K world only after coming all the way down :P
ControlDenied said:
it's kind of alcohol for acidheads. or is to acid what beer is to wine, if that makes any sense.
specialspack said:
Psychedelic heroin, as DM Turner said.
YES! That's how my girl and all my k-head friends say =D
Kitforkat said:
Divided yourself by zero. I love that! I'm not sure what it means, but at the same time i know EXACTLY what you mean! =D
teehee! don't ya love to get mixed up in maths?


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