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Is there anything more addictive than heroin?

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I consider myself an experienced drug user and have dabbled with everything from crack and meth to heroin to dmt, 2ci, ketamine the list goes on. Throughout all my experiences though i have never been more physically and mentally addicted to anything like i am to heroin. Its not only the withdrawals, ive detoxed so many times that they hardly bother me now. Its just i am so depressed when i dont have it just because i know how good it feels to have it. Ive even had this depression after being a year clean. Fellow junkies will agree theres no better feeling in the universe than when youre sick as fuck and you grip a couple points. Its bliss, indescribable. Has anyone ever experienced an addiction more powerful than this?
 
I think it's misleading to 'rank' drugs in a ladder in terms of addictiveness - I don't think it's so simple. What one person loves, another may have no interest in. But more than that, I think even on an individual level your wants and needs change over time. Certain moods or events may make you crave more than other times, or crave a different substance, and as you move through life there may be periods that differ greatly from one another in terms of your lifestyle and the choices you make regarding drugs. Finally, it's impossible to compare. How can anyone really tell what someone else is feeling, or possibly say for sure that their addiction is stronger than someone else's? It's all subjective.

Ultimately when it comes to your life the most important thing is what you feel, if for you heroin is the most addictive drug for you then that's true. I can understand wanting to hear other people's experiences with the same drug so you feel some hope - that other people can understand what it's like, that other people have been through it and come out the other end. I think a lot of people here (me included) will definitely agree that heroin has an allure that can be so hard to ignore.

What are your plans for the future though, are you hoping to get off all drugs, just heroin, or reduce your dose? I grapple with that feeling too, of thinking about going my whole life without ever feeling that high again, and it does feel unbearable sometimes. I don't think there's an easy answer, I think part of beating an addiction is accepting that unfortunately, it's true, you wont ever feel that heroin high again, but coming to terms with that and realising that doesn't mean life will be bad. It's a hard one, for sure. One thing I have noticed after quitting an addiction is that, over time, the cravings or thoughts of the high lose their salience. You can remember, intellectually, what is was like, but you can't remember it in that physical, all emcompassing way you do when you're using and you're craving. It becomes more an abstract thought, one that doesn't hold so much sway anymore. I wish you all the best.
 
#20 Methadone
#19 Mescaline
#18 Psilocybin Mushrooms
#17 LSD
#16 Ecstasy
#15 Cannabis
#14 PCP
#13 Caffeine
#12 Cocaine
#11 Amphetamine
#10: Alcohol
#9 Seconal
#8 Quaalude
#7 Diazepam
#6 Heroin
#5 Oxycodone
#4 Crystal Meth
#3 Ice, Glass
#2 Crack
#1 Tobacco

That's apparently the list from studies, but I think it's bullshit as methadone would be severely more addictive than LSD/caffeine/etc.
 
IV coke would be the worst for me. Ive never don e heroin but Ive shot plenty of morphine and dilaudid and taken lot's of oxy and fent. None came close to the horror of IV coke.
 
I think heroin would have been the most addictive for me if I hadn't gotten out as soon as I realized what was happening, but there really isn't a general rule. As was mentioned it all depends on the person - for instance the drug I had most problems with was xanax and I know a lot of people don't find any recreational value whatsoever in benzos. Similarly, I know a few coke addicts and I've never found it to be anyting interesting.
 
Polluted_Mind said:
#20 Methadone
#19 Mescaline
#18 Psilocybin Mushrooms
#17 LSD
#16 Ecstasy
#15 Cannabis
#14 PCP
#13 Caffeine
#12 Cocaine
#11 Amphetamine
#10: Alcohol
#9 Seconal
#8 Quaalude
#7 Diazepam
#6 Heroin
#5 Oxycodone
#4 Crystal Meth
#3 Ice, Glass
#2 Crack
#1 Tobacco

That's apparently the list from studies, but I think it's bullshit as methadone would be severely more addictive than LSD/caffeine/etc.
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Wow that list is all kinds of crazy.
 
In the end, it's just a bit of dust which makes you feel better. Yeah I get it, you like it. So what, 99% of those who tried did. Go there if you must, but remember this: it's just a bit of dust coming from a plant. It ain't you.

This comes from one who went through the rabbit hole and stayed there for 12 years. I won't go into details, soap opera and shit. When you get there, just remember my words.
 
Not a drug but NOTHING has even come close to gambling for me. I am talking legit bellringers left & right like no drug has given me & it may be psychological but the physical withdrawals were somewhat similar to a benzo withdrawal. Nothing has released dopamine in my brain like gambling & I would go days without sleep on a bender without drugs. It also did what drugs never could & that is completely destroy my life.

I have never been addicted to heroin but I have been to pharm opiates & alcohol & they were a breeze compared to gambling. The financial & psychological damage is ridiculous. I have never met anyone who could use $5-10K per day but I could punt that easily & did do. I can't quit cigarettes either as they are ridiculously addictive especially when you have smoked for 20 years.

Just my $0.02 but friends who were hardcore shooters say quitting heroin was easy compared to gambling. Not that I am trying to minimise any addiction as everyone is different but when 4 people I know pretty damm well tell me the same thing I listen up.
 
^ My point was that it's misleading to 'rank' drugs in a ladder in terms of addictiveness - in other words - I think it's unhelpful for the OP and his situation. I see no benefit for the OP for various people coming here and listing what they think is the most addictive drug. Instead, I think the OP needs support, empathy, people who can relate to him and his post - not lists of what drug is most addictive.
 
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OP, unless you are seeking help for your addiction and depression this is not the forum for this as it is pretty triggering to all those trying to quit (who would most assuredly agree with your question!).
 
I personally think tobacco is only marginally more addictive than opiates. I haven't used heroin more than once or twice (ineffectively I might add) and all my opiate addictions have come from being a chronic pain patient. I have over the years developed a pretty solid self discipline regarding both these drugs. I only bum cigarettes from total strangers or people I am sure to only see now and then rather than people I'm going to hang out with a lot.

I'm not a complete stranger to the needle, I did it once myself with cocaine a long time ago and scared myself enough I never wanted to go back. But I totally get it. I want to do it again. I just won't.

I remember the first hit of freebase cocaine I smoked. The first thing I thought was: "I like this. I like this a lot. This is going to be a problem." I was trying to quit from that first hit. It took me two years to really stop. By the end of it, I was forcing myself to do only one hit a day at the end of the day far away from where I hung on the Haight in SF swinging things. I realized that you could only get that high once a day really and that every hit after the first one was a waste. So I'd cruise south along the coast and stop at Davenport CA where I could camp on the beach and smoke my $25. Twenty minutes later I'd smoke a fatty and chill 30 miles from the nearest place to score (that I knew of). I later (recently) revisited the freebase and got out quickly and haven't touched it for the last year.

I'd like to point out one thing I found interesting along the way. For me, it seems that every time I quit after relapsing it actually gets easier to quit (any drug it seems). But I do self-stewardship rather than self-tyranny. You can't force yourself, that never sticks it seems. I always have to wait for the right time when I feel strong and inspired to change and when the day comes make my leap into a different life. Addicts have this need to do different things. We love that. A different thing is what we need. That, is my pathway out of addiction, just as sure as it's a way into addiction.

Regarding the listing of drugs from least to most addictive, I heartily object to cannabis even being in the list. It contains CBD's which help quell the addicts appetite for all drugs and in fact reduces the psycho-activity of THC and probably lots of other drugs too. High CBD cannabis (even swag) has the best profile for giving an addict a little assistance in beating an addiction. Sativa isn't the best choice for this IMO.

I have always used cannabis to help me off everything bad in my life (alcohol, opiates, tobacco) including psychological addictions. It is my go to gateway out of any bad behavior.
 
nicotine is the only thing i've ever been seriously, 100% drawn into the addiction of.
surprisingly enough. the rest seems like a chemistry set with good enough instructions. i suppose self control would be the issue. god help me if i ever come into a lot of money and have a big breakdown.
i had a few benzo freak outs but they were in my head. the half life hadn't even worn off. thank god for klonopin.
 
Rehabicable said:
I consider myself an experienced drug user and have dabbled with everything from crack and meth to heroin to dmt, 2ci, ketamine the list goes on. Throughout all my experiences though i have never been more physically and mentally addicted to anything like i am to heroin. Its not only the withdrawals, ive detoxed so many times that they hardly bother me now. Its just i am so depressed when i dont have it just because i know how good it feels to have it. Ive even had this depression after being a year clean. Fellow junkies will agree theres no better feeling in the universe than when youre sick as fuck and you grip a couple points. Its bliss, indescribable. Has anyone ever experienced an addiction more powerful than this?
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more than likely yoru depression after quitting is your brain just coming back from having gigantic dopine releases on a daily basis. your brain is just recovering. for me, when i thought about it like that it gave me some strength and hope because i knew that eventually my brain would come back around. you just have to give it time....therapy and anti-depressants helped me
 
I think tobacco is the most addictive for me. Even when I quit everything and was completely sober for a good 6-7 months I couldn't kick the cigs.
 
I think its all different for different people, as explained by other posters very well. Theres the physical vs psychological question. its weird to me that methadone is so far down that list. I suppose id pick heroin out of everything I've done as my favourite drug and one that I want more than anything else. There's all kinds of talk about receptor affinity and half lives relating to the addictive qualities of opiates but it matters little. When you are hooked you are hooked. I can sit up all night and day shooting coke but I won't miss it THAT much compared to missing junk. I always thought I'd prefer a front loaded withdrawal, as with Hydromorphone than something drawn out, like methadone...which was hell on earth btw.
 
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