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Opioids Is there a way to successfully taper from poppy pods?

I am glad to hear that BL is helpful in your quest to get rid of your poppy tea habit. Everyone here just wants the best for you and wants to see you succeed because many of us have been in your shoes and know how terrible that monkey on your back can be. I wish you luck. I have some advice and I will write out a response soon, but right now I am kinda tired and nauseous due to being pregnant but I definitely want to share with you anything that might help make the road to recovery easier for you.

Just know that we are here for you anytime you need help through support and advice. Remember that any progress is good and don't beat yourself up if things don't go exactly how you want them to. You need to make your taper plan flexible because you just don't know exactly how you will feel and you don't want to make the plan too hard and stringent so that its too hard to go through. So make a plan, but I suggest looking over it every few days and making changes if necessary. Don't try to push yourself too hard because you have a child that needs your attention and as you know w/d isn't exactly productivity friendly. So adjust your taper plan to how you feel and not some date or ideal that you want to reach. As long as you are going down in dose, the better you feel the better the chances of a successful taper.

As for suboxone, I would just tell the doctor what they want to hear. If you want to hear that you have been using for a year I would just tell them that. But that is obviously your call and I wouldn't ever want to push you to do something you are not ok with doing. Suboxone might be helpful during the last days of your taper. Even one or two 8mg pills would suffice. Since with suboxone you know exactly how much you are dosing, it might be easier to taper that last little bit.

One thing I wanted to make sure that you are aware of. What you want is for the pods to be as consistent in alkaloid content as possible from tea to tea. So I dunno if you are doing it already but the best thing to do would be to grind up all your pods and then mix them really well and then dose from that. Don't just take out a pod or two, then make tea cuz that way the consistency might vary and it might throw off your taper. Mixing all the pods ahead of time will allow for much more accurate dosing.

Again good luck. I am glad that you feel much more confident about being able to end this habit. You are not the first person to try and taper, many have been successful before you. I am glad knowing that you are not alone is making you feel confident, as it should. You will definitely be able to do it. It might take a while, but as you said you want to do it slowly so you can be as functional as possible for your child. Take your time, don't push it and eventually you'll get to the end. Once you finish, plan for something special for yourself, treat yourself to something you want cuz you will definitely deserve it. I would definitely put something like that into your taper plan, a special treat once you are in the clear.
 
Don't fret, you don't know what you're capable of until you try. That being said, many people who post about the horrible side effects have much different situations than what you describe.

I've gone more than a few rounds with pods (tea and eating grinds) and i honestly think that as long as you have a plan and stick to it, it's relatively easy to get away with hardly any negative side effects. I always seem to get into trouble when i look at my stash and say "ok, time to wean off, i have enough for 1 more high dose and enough to taper from 15g to 13g to 11g over the course of a week or ten days...then halfway through say "oh i'm fine, i'm not going to WD" and i eat the rest of my wellness doses then poop my intestines out for a few days and have to tell friends i have the flu.

Anyway, your dose is EXTREMELY small. So small you don't even sound like a crackhead when you describe your usage (wtf!? at least there's one person out there =-) If i were you i would not sweat it and just tell yourself you'll beat it no matter what even if there's some discomfort (what other choice is there?)

With the dose that you're taking i'd say it's very safe to stop cold turkey until you start to feel diarrhea coming on (usually the WD that hits me first) or another WD symptom, and take 1/4 of your normal dose. You'll be amazed at how the symptoms 100% disappear within 20 minutes. Just keep doing this until the symptoms stop rearing their ugly head. You will want to invest in some generic Imodium-AD (Loperamide) and double up on those suckers at the first sign of loose bowels.

The fact that you're able to still get effect from 5mg vikes tells me that you're really not too deep into tea usage (be not afraid! many of the people who describe extreme symptoms are taking over 10x what you are per day!). Before i ever went down the dark road of tea i could literally take 1/2 of a 5mg vike and feel alright for 2-3 hours. I spent $100 on a bunch when i was coming off tea thinking i'd take the sting out of WD and was horrified to find that i needed to take FIVE of those things to get the kind of "i think i'm feeling it but i'm not sure but i don't want to take another one cuz i spent too much cash aw screwit" feeling. Tea has oodles of different complex alkaloids also, Vicodin is just hydrocodone and tylenol, it won't do you nearly as much good as just a tiny bit of the tea.

So basically the only thing stopping a pain free withdrawal for you as far as i see it is the willpower to stick to the plan, accept that you will not be getting high, but your head won't be spinning around vomiting pea soup all over the place. Good Luck!
 
Thanks for the continued replies!

I feel terrible right now, I dosed again, only 1/2 my normal dose (actually less than half) I took 3 1/2 teaspoons. I was getting the terrible anxiety again, tried some valerian root, even a xanax and things kept going downhill and then I caved. I feel horrible, not from the withdrawals at the moment but from the fact that I caved. I know it is still less than my normal dose per day, but I was wanting so much to get down to one dose!

Ziggy, thanks for the reply and advice. I will truly take it to heart! I completely get what you are saying in to not make the plan too hard and stringent, I think that is what I just did and now I see it set me up for failure today. So I see the need to make flexible, easy, and at my pace. Wonderful advice as well about grinding up all the pods at once and then dosing from there. I have done that before, but haven't done it with this current batch so I will do that asap so that I have as even in strength as possible! And I will for sure be giving myself some kind of reward when I get through this! Congrats on the baby by the way!! Children are such a blessing and though they are a lot of work they are such an enjoyment!

NomNomNom, thanks so much for the words of encouragement. I am glad to know that my usage isn't too terrible yet. When I was talking about the vicodin though, I am not really able to feel one 5 mg vicodin anymore. I was taking 2-3 of them every 4-6 hours earlier (last month) when I transferred my usage of pods to pills. Still right now I would give anything to have them back, so that I could taper from them. I guess that is mainly because I am so familiar with them, I know I could taper with no issue once my body transferred its dependency from pods to pills.
 
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mlk- I feel your pain. I'm in the same boat- ppt addict in secret (so can't ask for support) but I've been for about 5 years. My problem is I have too many responsibilities (work full tfoime and have a part time job) so it's hard for me to function if I'm not 100 percent. I might have to taper as well.

This thread is very helpful and it's encouraging knowning others have been through it.

WD for me is so god awful I'll do anything to avoid it. If I'm in full blown wd, I can't hide it but it mimicks the flu so well I just tell everyone that. Mild WD sucks too- the restless legs, body aches, anxiety and depression. It's so hard when I have tea, I just drink it.

The thing that I trouble dealing with is when I WD I sleep non stop. I know this isn't the best thing to do but I'm going to use amph to combat this. I believe I can taper if I use the amph to keep me up and going, lope to control digestion issues and benzos or kava for anxiety.

Good luck mlk, keep us posted.
 
Sorry to hear that you're having a tough time with it. The psychological component can be just as bad as the physical component of WD, but at least you have SOME control over it. It sounds like your brain is kind of running in circles in fear of what's to come.

I've definitely been there, and for me what got me almost completely over the psychological aspect was just to look at a date on a calendar 10 days out and say "look...no matter how terrible this is, no matter what happens, this WILL BE OVER by this date" Once i kind of locked in that mentality and kept myself busy i wouldn't even think about pods until i felt a symptom then presto 20 minutes later that icky feeling was gone and i was back to detailing my car or whatever i was doing.

The worst WD i experienced was after my 2nd or 3rd order of tea when i was still pretty inexperienced with things (though i felt like a pro because i had read so much and had perfected different things). I was dosing up to 120g per day (i can get high from 20g now!) and decided to take a break, thinking it would be like when i had to WD from 2 months of Percocet use (maybe 2-3 days of fiending and feeling like ass with a slight headache). Boy was i wrong...

I spent an entire week shaking off the effects, the first 3 days pretty much pooping on myself and sleeping during the day then being up all night. But you know what? I'm alive...i went cold turkey from taking really high doses twice a day and after 1 week i was all but fine. Your WD shouldn't be nearly that bad, but even if it feels impossible just keep telling yourself that nothing can stop the fact that you'll be fine in a week =-)

Now when i Tea it up i won't do it more than 2 days in a row, never twice in a day, i do at most 1/4 of what i used to and still get plenty high. It was a tough lesson to learn but Tea is NOT like taking a few percocet here and there, taking percs and vikes for me was just like a little crutch to get through daily stuff and i could take it away at will for the most part.

It took me a while to realize that Tea is something you dose yourself with once in a while and be happy for the privilege, if you get accustomed to making it a part of your daily routine you have to learn a bit of a hard lesson. No matter what though, you will get through it. Good Luck!
 
Oh my I am sorry to be such a downer tonight. Things didn't get any better and neither did I, long story short I ended up taking my full night time dose (so the other half I didn't take earlier) and am still waiting for it to kick in. I just spent about 20 minutes walking laps around my living room. I feel like such a failure. I once again feel like I will never be able to do this. I feel like my triumph last night now means nothing and I just can't understand why I was able to do it last night but not tonight. Maybe my dose this morning was just enough to hold me over and gave out since I didn't dose last night? I don't know. I know tonight it wasn't just a mental craving (I did have those earlier, but got through that). I had it all the slight withdrawals this evening, anxiety, constant yawning, restless legs, runny nose, diarrhea. I don't know what to do from here? I am afraid if I combine my doses and just dose in the morning and then try to taper it will just get me really high and then I will still need more later in the day and then that will screw everything up and I will be using even more than I was. Maybe I could just lessen the night time dose little by little and keep the morning dose the same? Or perhaps should I gradually reduce them both at the same time? Ugh, coming up with a plan is hard!

Also, how slow is too slow? I do think I just went too fast cutting out last night altogether. I might just need really slow. And if so will that slow even work? I know I am rambling, I am sorry. I feel like such a wimp, that this shouldn't be this hard.

**Jayjohnson, I think I found out that the advice you gave me earlier was something I should have really listened to on two accounts. One I think you are right, I basically cut my daily dosage in half and it was too much too quickly. When I read that earlier I was feeling okay and was therefore really trying hard not to take any more. As the afternoon wore on I could tell things were not going in a good direction but I tried so hard to be strong, keep my mind busy, etc. I went shopping for some of the things mentioned here that I should have on hand, went for a walk, etc. But in the end as things got worse I waited until I was doing rather bad to dose that next half. Then, once again instead of listening to you and making a tea first so that it would come on quicker and then taking the grounds in juice afterward I just still took the dried powder. The reason I say that is I am now fine, withdrawals have subsided, etc and I know it is from that first 1/2 dose of the night finally kicking in and not from the second dose that I broke down and took a little bit ago because things weren't better. Live and Learn I guess. I will listen to you next time!!!
 
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Don't worry about it :) Honestly, relapses as we all know are part of the healing process.
It's bound to happen so when it does try not to let it effect you ;)

I think that cutting down one dose instead of completely removing it is probably a better idea at the moment yes.
And I really don't think there's a "too slow" :) The slower you go the more likely you are at succeeding!

Please try not to feel like you've failed or are a failure :) Just because you're having difficulty that doesn't make you a failure, it makes you human ;)
Just take it slow and keep it up! ♥
 
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Wise words.

MLK- don't beat yourself up, so many others have been or are in your spot right now. It's called addiction. It's a beast, the combination of physical and mental anguish can seam like too much to handle. Just take it slow. I've been through countless times where I felt like such a pussy because I can't handle the slightest wd.

Some advice I got before on bluelight- just take enough to feel better, not enough to get high. Easier said then done but it might be the key to tapering. Also, if you substitute kratom be careful. Years ago I was having trouble finding the right dose, eventually I just downed a shit load. I felt like I'd overdosed- couldn't feel my limbs, room was spinning, heart pounding. Be safe.
 
Howdy all!

As a well-practiced taperer I have a few thoughts to share:

A successful taper is well-planned. No half-dose drops. No hit-or-miss cold-turkey "lets see what happens if I skip a dose" attempts.. That's all part of an UNsuccessful taper.

Here are the makings of a successful taper:

- Determine your daily dosage. Get a sheet of paper, open up a spreadsheet, use a calendar, or do it the good old fashioned way (like I'll be doing next week): Bag up three daily doses. Date the bags.

- Calculate a (lets go slow in this example) 10% drop. Bag up three daily doses of 10% less. Date the bags.

- Continue calculating three doses reduced by 10%, bag them, and date them.

- Follow the plan. I repeat: Follow the plan.


Cutting your dose by 50% and riding it out as long as you can is a recipe for disaster as you've now determined. When I read what you were doing yesterday my heart sank. I saw the writing on the wall. But hey- its history now, right? Lessons learned. So now it's time to put together a rational gentle taper plan that will work.

Buy a digital kitchen scale for $20.00 US at any department store. Weigh your usual daily dose. Bag up three days worth of full daily doses. Date them accordingly.

Calculate a 10% drop. Go 5% if you want to go very slow and very easy. It's up to YOU. Bag up three reduced daily doses. Date the bags. Repeat until you're right down to the end. See? Now you have a plan rather than winging it. I always include an empty bag, at the end, marked with a big zero and the word "Freedom".

Once this is done you're good-to-go. No more guesswork. No panic. No major sickness. No baloney.

This is not conjecture on my part. This is what has worked for me and will work for me next week when I begin my taper. On Wednesday I will be sitting at the kitchen table bagging and dating my daily doses. Yes it's a pain in the ass. But it works. It breaks my routine of prepping a dose twice a day. It lays it all out. Most of all it works.

Give the above some thought MLK. I'm sorry you had a rough day. Now enough of that nonsense. Give yourself a break. Lessons learned right? Right! Take the advice given here and elsewhere in this thread. Plan, prepare, and succeed. You can do it!

You CAN do it!
 
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^^ HamClamp has good advice!

MLK - don't beat yourself up! Some people would say that is your addiction trying to trick you. You CAN do this! Definitely grind all your pods up and mix them for consistency - I'm surprised I didn't think of that earlier, that's like rule #1 with pods. (Ziggy, nice job bringing that up!)

My experience with pods was that I could dose once daily and be good until the next morning/dose. And I only drank tea, no grounds. I would think you especially should be find because you consume the whole grounds. (Pod tea has a long half-life to begin with.) You seem like you are worrying about it a lot though, so MAYBE your plan should be to dose 2 times a day and taper them both down. Maybe, but I would try doing one dose again today. I think you are worrying yourself too much because you aren't used to dosing once per day.

For today, if I were you, I would prepare a tea with say 14 teaspoons. *Wait* to take it when you are starting to feel like you need it. (This way, if possible, your one dose for the day would be somewhere in the middle of your usual 2 doses.) Drink the tea and eat the grounds. I really think this should hold you for a full 24 hours. Then repeat that dose, at that time of the day, for 2 or 3 more days. Then reduce by 10%...

For tapering, there is no such thing as too slow. (If you don't have a time requirement where you have to be off the pods.) A slow consistent taper is exactly what you want.

Be nice to yourself! No beating yourself up.
 
Thanks so much everyone for the kind words and kick of encouragement. I felt terrible for caving last night, but really your advice here has been wonderfully helpful in getting my mind back on track. What's done is done, time to move forward and learn from what likely went wrong.

I do think that I am so worried and stressed about this that I am creating additional anxiety on top of what I already have. That plus terrible reflux (which the anxiety adds to) has lead me to barely eating and I am sure that isn't helping either. I got on the scale today and have lost around 7 lbs since Monday. So, all of that to say, I really do think I need to try to relax about all of this and take it slow as everyone has mentioned. I don't have a deadline, sure I would rather this be over sooner rather than later, but I have no pressing date I must be done.

I go back and forth about the two dosing a day thing and how to handle it. I don't think me cutting to one dose at this moment will work well. I think I might stress over it too much at one dose, which just leads to a downward spiral. I think I may try to lower both doses at the same time and the same rate. I understand that being down to one dose would be better, but what is the reason exactly for that? In other words if I try to reduce them both at the same time and that seems to be working is it somehow shooting myself in the foot?

I was working earlier on grinding up all my pods and my grinder broke, ugh, so I am going to have to buy a new one. So everything isn't completely uniformed yet but I did grind up 1/3 of the pods and that is all mixed together. I also need to buy a new scale. I do have a kitchen scale, but it only weighs in ounces not grams. So I need to get one that will weigh in grams as well which I am finding a bit hard to find. Now about my dosage. I measured it out and weighed it a bit ago. I have been taking between 7-8 teaspoons each time. Lately (the past few days) it has been more like 8 teaspoons when I dosed, but I really believe 7 teaspoons is closer to what stabalizes me without being a bit high. So, 7 teapoons is around 2 ozs on my scale which is 5.66 grams. 7 1/2 teaspoons is 3 ozs which is 8.50 grams. I have dosed out the 7 1/2 teaspoons (8.50 grams) for the next few days, still twice a day. I am going to see if that stabilies me enough and then go from there. Hopefully by then I will have a scale that can measure grams so it will be easier to figure out.

Today, I dosed as normal, but still have had a down day. No real withdrawals but just blah, with some anxiety mixed in. A little bit ago I took some L-tyrosine and that has really seemed to help. Although, it doesn't seem to give me much energy, but does really seem to take the edge off. I do have a question though concerning depression and anxiety. I was prescribed, actually still are, Lexapro for depression. I took it for awhile and then stopped, which I think may have been a bad idea and possible lead to all of this. Anyway, I believe I really may need to be on the Lexapro once I am fully off the poppies to help with the depression and help not to relapse, but I know it has to be in your system awhile to work. Is there any problem with beginning to take the Lexapro now, even though I am still taking the poppy pods? Would their possibly be any bad interaction between the poppy pods and the lexapro?

Hamclamp, I love the example of a tapering schedule you posted...slow and easy!! I know you said you take the poppies twice a day as well. How are you planning on dealing with the second dose? I am a bit concerned if I wind down off the second dose and keep the first one the same and then wind down off of it, that is will take me forever!! Do you mind me asking how much your current dose is and how long it normally takes you to taper (since you said you have done it before)?

Jayjohnson, if for some reason the tapering down both doses doesn't work. I will try your plan of dosing more (but only once) and trying to schedule it to be in the middle of the two doses. I know the one dose should hold me, and it did night before last but just doesn't seem to be anymore. Part of it may be me just worrying about it, but I can tell it does truly run out as I do I have the enlarged pupils and other withdrawal symptoms.
 
Hi mlk 2900. I'm just over a week past my last 'poppy T' or Opium Tea after i realized it was getting out of hand. I couldn't dose every other day any more, so i'd have to dose at least every 3 days or i was having horrendous diarrhea, leg muscle cramps & intense agitation. I was doing 15 to 40 pods a day. I stopped using about 15 mg Valium over 48 hrs, crazy doses of loperamide like 6 mg just to take effect then another 4 mg daylater... Diphenhydramine, although a foul sleeping pill, works fine for sleep, 25/50 mg is enough.

Also at day 3 of 'withdrawal' (it was only moderate) i decided on some codeine. 300 mg went thru me like a glass of water, absolutly no effect whatsoever. Thats how strong this plant is. I would be suprised if a half or even a whole vicodin would touch you.

Anyway, all the best. Remember, cold turkey isn't too bad after you've done it ten or twelve times...
 
mlk 2900

:)It doesn't have to hurt that much, take what you need to stave off nasty physical withdrawal symptoms if thats what you need to do, just try to keep it to that amount without adding that extra teaspoonful which you*know* has crossed over into getting slightly high. Thats the foundation of tapering imo.

You'll have times when you'll have had a bad day, or you're just in that 'fuck it' mood, and you'll have a splurge...caving in whatever you wanna call it. Does that mean you've totally fucked up your taper & you're back to square 1?

NO! I caved in several times, felt gutted & all that. but all I'd done was set my taper back a few days, don't mentally punish yourself so much, just ease yourself into the 'just enough to stay normal/functional' amount.

;)And remember, the self-doubt is withdrawal induced.

*edit* I've never taken heroin, but I've been told that a pod habit can be as bad if not worse than a snorting/smoking H habit. Anyone care to comment on that?
 
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MLK said:
I do think that I am so worried and stressed about this that I am creating additional anxiety on top of what I already have
Yes, I think the worry of withdrawals is definitely making things worse for you. You need to try remind yourself that you're going to be fine, that nothing's going to hurt you and you should be able to kick the worry to the curb :) It'd make things a whole lot easier.

As for the Lexapro, there's no bad interactions between the two no. And there's no interaction between that and anything else your taking.
It's great that the L-Tyrosine is helping you just enough ;) Remember the Alprazolam when your Anxiety kicks off too. Some L-Tyrosine and Alprazolam should sort the anxiety out nicely. But do try and make sure it's not a fear of withdrawal that's taking over and causing the anxiety as that will just make things worse.

Some great ideas added by everyone :) Take note and keep going!
 
MLK, I'm on board with helping however I can. I'm going to put out suggestions to you that were helpful to me. Do not get overwhelmed with information. Feel free to take in what works for you and adapt it because you know best about you!

Opiates numb feelings, that's why I love them, and I'd guess why a lot of us love them. So when we cut back on opiates, the feelings come back. Remember as you are tapering to be mindful not to add more stress or worry to the process. For me the mental aspect of withdrawal is far worse than the physical. That's why I knew I had to taper my dose and not attempt cold turkey again. Tapering as slowly as you need to gets you to the same end point (off opiates), and is the least difficult. Like someone else said, there will be not-so-good days, but they pass. Those are the days where it is tempting to give up and use a higher dose to numb-out. If you are determined, you won't have to slip. If you have even the slightest interest or willingness, do some reading on breathing exercises and/or meditation.

So lets forget the idea of dropping to one dose a day - that doesn't seem to be a useful idea for you right now. I'm curious what others would say about why one dose a day is best. For me it's just because pods have such a long half-life and stay in your system for so long. But I don't think you'd be shooting yourself in the foot by dosing twice a day and tapering both doses at the same time. Just taper both doses equally I would say, but only by like 5-8% every 3-4 days. Keep a journal of your dosing, keep notes to yourself about what your goals are in this, and positive feedback for yourself for those days when you aren't feeling so great. Hopefully those will be few and far between. As far as kratom and loperamide go, save those for the very end of the taper, or even the `jump off` point (when you stop taking the pods.) We don't want you switching addictions to kratom. (For me, kratom tolerance goes up so fast that getting hooked on it would require ridiculous amounts - so don't worry about that too much.)

Yes, start taking the lexapro again! Antidepressants can be miraculous for some of us, I've had a couple of experiences where antidepressants really helped me out. Lexapro was the first one I used and it helped me. There's no harm in getting the lexpro started. Which brings me to my next point, which is vital for those of us with dealing with anxiety/depression.

Lastly, the things that are so important it gets annoying to hear people say it: food and exercise! Your mind is going through a change and adapting to less opiates, so your mind needs energy and building blocks to change. Carbs and protein! The tyrosine is good. I use protein shakes to get extra amino acids (tyrosine and all sorts of others, which are the building blocks your brain needs for the change it's going through.) Works for me because when I'm not using opiates or alcohol, exercise becomes my drug. For me, exercise is every bit as good an antidepressant. It's amazing the change in my mental state when I'm working out regularly. If there is any way you can start doing some kind of exercise please do. I don't know about taking care of a little boy, that could be a workout in itself!

I should note that before I started my taper post here, I knew I should taper my dose and get off the pods. But I wasn't yet determined enough to do it, so I would cut my dose for 2-3 days, then do a high dose. This went on for a couple months for me. And as time passed I wasn't finding work, running out of money, and the possibility of ending up homeless was getting very real for me. That was my motivation - and boy did it work! When I did taper though, it was much, much easier than cold turkey.
 
Monstonoodle, Well, the l-tyrosine didn't seem to work as well as I had hoped. In fact I think it just ended up making me nervous and jittery in the end. I am trying to use the alprazolam as needed but I am so worried about becoming dependent on them as well. Would it possibly help to keep me from becoming dependent if I alternated xanax and clonazepam? Thanks for the information about the Lexapro, since there is no interactions there I am going to begin taking it again. :)

I have been really trying to figure out all of what is going on with me and I think part of it is I am not sure I am truly getting stable and I think I need to figure that out. I was fine Friday lasting through the night, but this weekend has been a roller coaster and then in dawned on my that the pods I am using yesterday and today were from my new shipment. I am guessing they could possibly be a weaker strength than the ones I was using. I think before I really go in farther I need to stabilize. I really don't think I am and I think my taper is going to be unsuccessful if I don't figure that out first. So with my upcoming event this next weekend I am going to use this week to try to actually get stable, figure out my daily usage, calm down a bit, and develop a plan for here on out (beginning next week)
 
JayJohnson, thanks so much again. You have no idea how much everything you say to me does help. Bluelight is really all I have at the moment to help me as far as support and it really has been a tremendous support. Eating is currently a struggle for me, and I know I need to do better, but I am having problems swallowing the food, etc. Its the anxiety that's doing it coupled with my reflux. Hopefully taking a bit of a time out to stabilize and calm down will help that and get me on the right track! I do have a gym membership. It is hard sometimes to get there with everything I have going on, but I am going to make a real effort to do it. I know it will really help!
 
mlk, if ur thinking of switching from xanax, u may want to consider diazepam. It has a more pronounced effect on the body, relaxing the muscles, which is a plus here, & a longer smoother duration of action. I had a few 5 mg valiums that worked wonders for my detox.

*edit* I think docs use diazepam as a legit way to help heroin addicts recover, reducing alot of agitation & the desire to dose any other drugs.
 
Fast tapering often turns into slow tapering, and slow tapering often depends on indefinite tapering. I've done it myself & seen it happen with so many junkies, that normally I don't even bother paying attention to the subject.

However, it's all a matter of willpower. It's just a lot of us are still so afraid of dropping off that last mg, that we put it off for as long as possible. But when the time comes....

I went from morphine to heroin, back to morphine, then to tramadol, and then to pods. I was on pods for a year. I was eating about 80 medium/large taz pods a week. That's right... eating them, not making tea.

One day I decided to quit. I didn't re-up on my next pod order, told my supplier to never sell to me again (nice guy and he won't), and saved three pods for the next week. I ate one a day, then started on the whole protein/vitamin thing. Gabapentin & Lyrica helped a LOT, as did the antinausea and muscle-relaxers.

If you absolutely won't stop immediately, IMHO any kind of "taper" longer than 2-3 days is just dragging out the discomfort and delaying the inevitable. Do it and get it over with.
 
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