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is there a way to smoke east coast powder heroin?

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I dont have a needle and dont really want to keep using one so im asking is there any possible way to smoke this type of heroin? Or any other way thag will provide somewhat of a similiar rush?

Please provide experience if you have any.
 
I never got much off smoking powder heroin after being an IV user. It's kind of tricky to do properly and it tends to waste a lot of it (tar heroin or base heroin are better for smoking). It can be snorted or plugged (rectal administration).
 
Have you plugged before? I dont know much about doing it except for sticking it up my ass.
Im prob gunna snort it but i dont really like it. After using the needle i dont like any other ROA. Im trying to achieve a similiar rush.
 
Now I've never heard of it being done, but wouldn't it be possible to mix east coast #4 H HCl with an equal amount of caffeine making a smokable eutectic mixture called #3. This is what's done in east Asia. Optionally adding some quinine and trace amounts of strychnine for added authenticity(very well stirred):\. Also you can use the free acid of barbiturates instead of caffeine; I doubt anyone can get that.

Another thing is freebasing it, making #2. That's what Afghan dope is. Ammonia or sodium carbonate might work, not sure about baking soda. How would heroin rock up?

In the Netherlands they studied givin hardcore addicts satchels of freebase heroin with a 3:1 heroin:caffeine mixture. This has a lower melting and boiling point making it more smokable. Does the Netherlands still do this? This would never happen in the USA.

I've though of trying these, but black tar is already smokable because it's so impure(but often very strong). I do wonder if freebasing or lacing it with caffeine/barbiturates would make it better. Never heard of making #3(heroin HCl and caffeine) or #2(heroin freebase) from American dope.
 
whoever says that the rush of rectal administration is the same as IV has obviously never IV'd. just saying.
 
I've always wondered this myself, how one goes about smoking east coast dope; I had heard the caffeine thing and a couple of those methods that, albeit having a limited understanding of chemistry, I just could not wrap my head around or make any sense of at all.

I'm not sure that I would even bother trying it anyway. I mean, regardless of whether or not the dope can be made smokable, the heat will always destroy some certain amount of it, and that sucks. Besides, I really do enjoy sniffing the dope. I like everything about sniffing dope; I like that I'm not just dumping into a "bucket" and mixing it into water, so I can play around with it for a few minutes with a credit card, chopping it up and examining the texture like how fluffy the dope is and whether or not it stands up on itself or sticks to the card or razor. I like to feel it go up my nose, and I like to feel the burn and taste a little bit of the drip (hopefully not too much, as I want the powder to stay in my nose of course). I like the slow come-up, and feeling it sort of slowly enveloping you... mmm....
 
rules said:
whoever says that the rush of rectal administration is the same as IV has obviously never IV'd. just saying.
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Who has said that? I've seen people say that they get a rush similar to IV, but nobody is claiming it's the same. I actually get a rush from sniffing my dope that's similar to a mild rush from IVing a bag of dope. Now obviously the rush from IVing is more intense and happens quickly, but I start feeling dope a minute after sniffing it, and I get a watered down version of a rush this way, and some of the sensations are the same. The overall experience isn't the same at all, but there are some similarities.
 
ive posted this a million times before..yes you can smoke it, ive never got high off with the method cause my tolerance but ill sometimes do it to take rid of my sickness if my nose i all fucked up or i just want to do it different

heres what you do

-take a piece of foil about the size of a cd case(give or take)
-break a bag into lines of 1/3s or 1/2 depending on how much you get in a bag
-put the line of powder on the dull side
- add 2-4 drops of water depending on how much powder and how big the drops are (you want it to be able to mix up and spread not mix up and when you try and sprread it wont hold onto the foil and just runs, so basically less water is better cause you an always add a little more if its too dry)
-once you spread it all over let it dry a little bit
-make yourself a foil straw with the dull side on the inside
-procede to smoke it like your chasing the dragon
-you should be able to get 3-4 decent pulls
-dont forget to hold it in

and use a foiul straw and not a pen cause then you can spen the straw up and smoke the residue thats left on the foil, like they do with tar..its good for a rainey although harsh, think about if you saved up roaches and broke them down and smoked the roach blunt when you had enough..its a real harsh nasty blunt to smoke but it will get you high, well the residue inside thge foil staraw is the same thing


it might take you a few pulls to get down the chasing part if your not familer with it cause you dont want the flame to close and it gives you a bunch of smoke thats harsh nad you dont want it to run to fast where you waste it, it just takes a little practice but once you get it, you dont waste any smoke really
like i said it works to get my sick off and normally its 1-2 foils and im good (so like 2/3rds of one bag) and recently i tried it after i was already high and felt it in my head harder then i ever have before but i got to try it again to really see if it worked like i thought it did, maybe i found a new way to make the dope kick ih harder when you snort? maybe just do all your dope and when your high smoke a foil or 2 and maybe get a little head rush..gotta expierment
 
^I've heard of that method. It's called water-basing. It's done when you're low on tar to stretch it out a little.
verso said:
I've always wondered this myself, how one goes about smoking east coast dope; I had heard the caffeine thing and a couple of those methods that, albeit having a limited understanding of chemistry, I just could not wrap my head around or make any sense of at all.
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What cutting heroin with caffeine or barbiturates does is form what's called a eutectic mixture. A eutectic mixture is a mixture that has a lower melting temperature then either one alone. Examples of eutectic mixture are salt and water, solder, and the local anesthetic EMLA.

With a caffeine/heroin mixture, it has a lower melting and vaporizing temperature than either one alone. Caffeine sublimes, mean it goes directly from solid to gas. Lower melting point means it can be dripped down the foil and smoked at lower temperatures causing less burning. Think of it like a spray can. The caffeine is the propellant and the heroin is sprayed out into tiny particles. With most vaporized drugs it's actually more a suspension of tiny particles than a vapor.

The caffeine and heroin eutectic mixture was discovered by accident in 1920's China. There was a red tonic pill with heroin, caffeine, quinine and strychnine. Later it was marketed as an 'anti-opium pill', and someone found out they could be smoked like opium. It became quite an epidemic, perhaps the largest heroin epidemic in history. Later they dropped making it into pills and just used heroin and caffeine with a trace of strychnine.

Also some users started mixing heroin with barbiturates. They found it easier to smoke. It's bioavailability is anywhere from 25-75%, depending on the skill of the smoker.

Freebase heroin also has a lower melting and boiling temperature. It's bioavailability can be anywhere from 40%, up to 89%.

With tar it's just so impure that the impurities lower the melting point, and it pretty much has to be smoked. Somehow impurities in substances lowers the melting point. This is the bases of the melting point test for drug like cocaine. I'd estimate that it's about 1/3 to 1/2 as strong as IV, a little less or equal to snorted.

It would be interesting if someone turned non-smokable heroin into a smokable form. It's be good for those that have used up all their veins or damaged their nose.
 
You don't need a lot really..just buy an extra bag or two and you should be able to get it down..unless your gonna try and get high from OT then you migjt need more..but I would learn the technique first..of and I use a opened up paper clip to spread the mixture


I've never heard of an actual name for the method I posted about and I've never been lucly enough to try tar..honestly it was just me figuring out on my own how to do it cause I couldn't really find anything online about it..but imma try and look it up with that name..
 
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what about china white in a hard rock form, anyone have this before and know the means on how to smoke it. only insulfated before.
 
^Depends, is it #3 cut with caffeine or phenobarbital? Not as common as it used to be, even in Asia. Especially the barbiturate cut. Although sometimes there's drug bust where they seize heroin and caffeine. With regular #4 heroin HCl from Colombia it'll get some heroin in your system but most will burn up, like smoking powder coke.
chinky said:
I've never been lucly enough to try tar.
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It's entirely possible you've done tar without realizing it. Chicago is one of the few cities to get it's dope from all sources, Colombia, South East Asia, Afghanistan and Mexico. It's possible that the black tar was just mixed with other types of heroin and Dormin, and it no longer looked like tar. Too bad the dealers don't give you a choice on what kind of H you want, like Pulp Fiction.

What I don't get is how almost half the heroin in the US comes from Colombia, and is nearly all the heroin seized east of the Mississippi. Colombia's acres of poppies and potential opium production has dropped to one of the lowest among source nations. Mexico's moved up past Burma, second to Afghanistan. If the eradication of poppies is so successful, where is all that Colombian dope coming from? Did they stockpile, are getting higher yields, have higher poppy cultivation than is admitted, is the government full of shit, or is more really coming from Mexico and Afghanistan. Mexican drug cartels were looking to produce some powder heroin like Colombia does. Can't see how they can make 99.7% pure methamphetamine, but not pure heroin. Also, in Burma the United Wa State Army started importing Afghan shit and turning it into China white. Maybe Colombia's also doing that.

With water-basing it give the H a large surface area to smoke on. Larger surface area=easier vaporization. The experimental medical vaporizer Staccato works on this principle. That's why meth when smoked the pipe is twisted back and forth. But even pure heroin base with caffeine leaves some ashes so a meth pipe can't be used. Instead, it's allowed to drip down the foil to spread it out so it smokes without burning. When it's done your left with some ashes.

Another advantage with smoking is you can adjust you dose easier. Usually you'd get too sick or pass out before you'd OD. It's still possible to OD, just less likely than IV or snorted.
 
^ I'll try to find the article later, but I was surprised to read about a heroin bust in NY in which the DTO was getting some of their powder heroin smuggled in to Texas from Mexico, and then I believe they had a driver that would bring it from Texas to New York. You would think that more powder would be available out west since some of it is being smuggled from South America to the northeast US via Mexico.

Phenethylamine420 said:
what about china white in a hard rock form, anyone have this before and know the means on how to smoke it. only insulfated before.
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I meant to ask in your other thread, what is your general location? Some people refer to any powder dope that is white in color as 'China White' when in reality it's just South American heroin that happens to be white. If you are in the United States and live east of the Mississippi (with the exception of a few states that have tar) then it's likely just South American heroin that someone is calling China White. That's irrelevant to the topic of smoking it though since it's going to smoke the same whether it's from South America or Asia, considering it's both #4 heroin HCL.
 
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you might actually get china white, with the large asian population yall got up there..i do hear some mexicans are pushing their way in but its still the asain gangs running shit
 
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