Opioids Is there a point there opiates just lose their "majic" or euphoria?

[Halif]

It's a tough moment when you realise that all you're doing is maintaining. It's an even tougher moment when you're tolerance is at a point where you can maintain (poorly) on a fairly small amount, feel normal on a large amount, and get high by taking an amount that you know would have killed you twice over a year or two ago.

I've tangled enough times now with both opiate and benzo withdrawls to actually appreciate the comparative brevity of opiate withdrawals (yes, including PAWS). Benzo withdrawal is positively demonic and I did not believe any substance could produce states like those that I've experienced during harsh, acute benzo withdrawal.

Unfortunately, all my tapering work has been hard earned and got me down to modest amount, but due to the length of time (three years of daily use) I am disturbingly incapacitated if I miss ONE DAY. Two days missed and it's a medical emergency. I shake and twitch violently, can't remember... well, anything much.. and the worst part (which never used to happen) I hallucinate very hard. It's like the worst trip on acid AND MXE at the same time. Last time I missed two days I wound up in hospital.

Sorry to go off topic. Whether it's benzos or opiates or whatever, they're all going to follow the law of diminishing returns, and then you have to think about what to do... go up in dose? Or get out...

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

It's a tough moment when you realise that all you're doing is maintaining. It's an even tougher moment when you're tolerance is at a point where you can maintain (poorly) on a fairly small amount, feel normal on a large amount, and get high by taking an amount that you know would have killed you twice over a year or two ago.

Very true. Good post.

 

[ShaunG]

It's a tough moment when you realise that all you're doing is maintaining. It's an even tougher moment when you're tolerance is at a point where you can maintain (poorly) on a fairly small amount, feel normal on a large amount, and get high by taking an amount that you know would have killed you twice over a year or two ago.

I guess this is where its at...sounds about right except I don't seem to be getting high on doses that should be wrecking me.

I can relate to benzo WDs too. A 6 week taper after 3 years of prescribed somewhat low (1mg) daily use of Xanax put me in the ER. I had to resume taking 1mg because my digestive tract just froze completely. I was on a liquid diet for weeks. It got to be too much so my GI doc said to just go back on the benzos for now. I have an appt with a motility specialist, but he will probably tell me I will need to shake the stress somehow if exercise doesn't do it alone which pretty much means switch meds for anxiety which kinf of defeats the purpose of wanting to get off benzos to begin with.

 

[tomatalli]

It could be the benzos they take away from the euphoria if you add to much of it

 

[Nicholai]

God forbid. No. You just have to keep increasing dose. Which, really, inevitably leads to a very expensive addiction, or running out of your scripts two weeks early, or turning to IV heroin, and basically just fucking yourself up. I've been going through the fucking boom and bust cycle of high and withdrawal for years, and let me tell you, it fucking sucks.

Meh.

 

[donkeyPUNCH]

personally if I were at this point I would take as long of a break as possible. if you aren't ready to quit opiates altogether then at least try to get your tolerance down some.

nothing worse than opiate addiction IMO. it just sucks all life and happiness right out of you.

 

[Trying2Iso]

opiates create an itch you cant get rid of

 

[ShaunG]

ya its not the benzos. i actually am using as little benzo possible to sleep when im taking heavy doses of opiates...like .5mg and at night. I dose opiates once a day in the morning so not to worry about CNS depression at night.

@donkeyPUNCH - this seems to be the conclusion here. I am going to start my taper once i burn through my stash because i wont be able to taper with it sitting in the next room. i am already taking doses that don't feel comfortable to me and not really getting high. This was the longest bender for me or the one I maintained with stronger opiates at least which I am sure has hit my tolerance even though it was a low dose of a strong opiate. I think once you need over 100mg of oxy at once it is probably time to take a nice break. i dont have any interest in IV use of any opiate.

 

[StealYourFace]

It takes discipline to keep your tolerance down.

Working out, eating right, healthy lifestyle to counter the bad effects.

Also, Keeping doses on the lower end, and mixing things up helps I think. Like don't always use opana for example (actually, never use opana more than once or twice a week. I made the mistake of using that a week straight, by the 7th day, I would wake up kicking like a mule).

Sub breaks help too. Just my experience again, but I wait until I am kicking pretty good, like 24-36 hours after the last oxy or hydro dose. Then I can maintain on like 1mg sub/day. I can always find those 8mg stips cheap, and they can easily last me a week. Then wait at least 36 hours after that, back to what I enjoy for a bit. Again, varying doses/products.

 

[ShaunG]

I blame oxymorphone. I was warned it would crush my tolerance and it did. It has never been the same. I have the discipline most of the time, but when I get too big of stash and become physically dependent I just don't want to hit WDs even if they are not going to be too bad. If you like your oxy tolerance, do not mess with opana or dillies for that matter. Dillies suck anyways if you don't IV.

 

[LSDiesel]

I came to the realization that I wasn't getting the rush I used to get most of the time when I used dope. I could always get high with a high enough dose, but especially if I was doing a shot in the presence of another user, I would be more reserved in my shots, because they would think it crazy that I would be injecting like 5 times what they are sniffing l0l