Opioids Is there a point there opiates just lose their "majic" or euphoria?

[ShaunG]

I have been on a pretty long bender (several months). However, I do not use to get high every single day. A lot of those days I was just maintaining. I recently stumbled upon some blues and even some generic pandas. Now, given I have mainly just been maintaining for the past few weeks with whatever opiates I could get my hands on...mostly dillies which have never really been euphoric for me...where did my euphoria go? I up doses and eat 60-80mg of blues at once and just get kinda tired. Blues usually make me pretty energetic at lower doses and euphoric noddy at higher doses. It seems I am just getting tired. I get a little nauseous too I might add with the high doses. So...bored of feeling nothing besides side effects on blues...I switch over to pandas and basically the same thing. The first day I was very anxious/speedy/irritated almost which could be the result of me dropping my daily prescribed xanax dose...then up the dose a good amount the next day and I am pretty much just tired.

It feels like the opiates are just not giving me any euphoria anymore...not even a good mood lift really. It is quite disappointing. Is there a point where your receptors are just fried and chemicals are just drained? I know people use for years at a time, but are they just maintaining? I mean I really am not even getting more than a few minutes of warmth even. It is obviously time to give my opioid receptors a nice long break, but is this normal? I take 1mg Xanax every day too that is prescribed, but usually drop the dose to minimum possible needed while dosing high on opiates.

Feedback? Thoughts on why the lack of euphoria on such euphoric drugs?

 

[PKPro]

Thats called tolerance my friend... You need to take more to achieve the same feeling that you want. You could also explore adding potentiators to the mix so that you can increase blood plasma levels as well... You might also want to research which ROA is best for your DOCs as some work better when ingested in other manners. i know for a fact, for example, that dillies are best used IV since they have shit bioavailability every other way... (not advocating IV usage, just an example)

best of luck!

 

[cook]

Sounds pretty normal, I too did experience the degradation in opiate effects the longer I used. The euphoria starts to lessen, feel more "dirty", even dysphoria and generally it just sucks being on them except when coming up or having a little rush which is still possible for quite some time. Even a long break doesnt necessarily bring you no where near square 0 so its quite pointless chasing it once its gone, it may be psychological too not just receptor/tolerance thingy.

Take it as a sign that your love affair is losing its magic and its time to move on, its the only conclusion to be made. Dont be suprised if you dont feel it same way ever again, it may be just gone and thats the way it is.

 

[Zerrr]

I had the same thing happen to me with oxy. If you take a few weeks/months off it might return to an enjoyable level, although quitting now is ofc the best option.

 

[ShaunG]

@PKPro - Ya I am familiar with tolerance, but have been able to maintain at low doses in the past and get high as a kite on higher doses. I guess its just been a long time. I am also familiar with ROAs. Dillies suck, thats why i was just using them for maintenance as I am not an IV user nor will I ever be. I eat my oxycodone because it is the best ROA and I snort my opana as it is the best ROA other than needles.

@cook - This was kind of my last blast before a long break anyhow. I need to stop using as it makes me lazy which costs me money and I generally feel like shit constantly now even with higher doses which was never the case before this bender. I have used opiates on an off for years and have been prescribed them for issues with my back that have been resolved for the most part so its time to let go. I guess it makes the love affair easier to let go of. Chasing can lead to nothing good. I guess I am just surprised as what would have had me feeling great in the recent past especially the pandas are pretty much doing nothing at all...not even a mood lift! I can only hope this WD is not gonna leave me in a depression like fuck. I have had pretty good tapers in the past and not real lingering depression from opiates, but there is always that itch to do one...then i just get disappointed in the high and that I scratched my itch (no pun intended!)...now that i think of it I dont even have an itch from the panda bear. so weird. i hope my liver is intact.

@Zerrr - Thanks. Sucks huh? Guess the taper will begin shortly.

 

[Snakevillon]

Dysphoria from opiates?!?!?! That's crazy I've been useing for years and never ha that happen. Amphetamines on the other hand after a year of useing those regularly I only get dysphoria on them now no matter how long I wait but opiates if u have the right dose are. Always great

 

[Zerrr]

Dysphoria from opiates?!?!?! That's crazy I've been useing for years and never ha that happen. Amphetamines on the other hand after a year of useing those regularly I only get dysphoria on them now no matter how long I wait but opiates if u have the right dose are. Always great

Seemingly some people get to enjoy the ride longer than others. I went on to IV dope and that was quite enjoyable for two years.

After you max out the IV dope magic you start shooting coke+dope..

 

[pbuilder]

Maybe your xanax is also killing the euphoria in a way.

 

[BlueHues]

I don't think opiates really "lose their magic" the way drugs like MDMA or even amphetamines can, but the tolerance you develop can make it not worth doing anymore. Obviously, you'll never get the same feeling you did when you were an "opiate virgin", but beyond that and having to increase your dose because of tolerance, I don't think the experience ever changes that much.

Also, once you get used to anything in life, it's never quite as exciting. If you keep going on the same roller coaster over and over again, you know exactly what to expect and it becomes boring after the tenth time.(I've actually tested this)

 

[Ubi]

If you can taper them down and go without, my advise, do it. Get off of them; but if you don't want to, try smoking some pot for the nausea, truly helps in a significant way.

 

[Zerrr]

I know this has been discussed Ad nauseam here..but anyway, Once I got physically dependent on opiates the amount of joy became relative to how dope sick I was. The best feelings I got from heroin didn't take place in the beginning of my addiction, they were actually closer to the height of my addiction/usage.

 

[DrinksWithEvil]

it just because a chore and it no longer made me happy and it just made me feel guilty but it took away the sickness. been off dope for a year and subs for a month,but drink like a fish lol

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

Alcohol will kill opiate's effectiveness over time. I notice they don't work nearly as good/at all when I've been drinking a lot, even if I don't drink on the days I have the opiates.

 

[Corazon]

xanax can definitely blunt the opiate experience

Opiates are also simply a rough long-term substance. Your tolerance increases, the addiction cycle places a strain on you.

 

[ShaunG]

Xanax is usually only taken at night and opiates once a day in the morning. This has never negated my opiate feelings in the past. I don't know what the deal is. Maybe everyone is different. I just feel like I'm kicking, tired, dehydrated, headache...even though my dose is significantly higher than the maintenance doses. I just think its break time or time to kick for good if possible. I feel like garbage and its effecting my work output.

 

[RTrain]

I always found the whole thing where people make it seem like heroin addicts are always 'in search of that first high', to be way exaggerated. A lot of people think that is what hte term "chasing the dragon" refers to in regards to heroin.

I honestly don't think I reached a point yet where opiates have lost their magic. But there is a point where reality sets in, you realize you can't get high all day, probably because you are dead broke. You want to know when the magic is really lost?...its when you dig a horrendous financial hole or you are being buried in a hole or you resort to crime to feed your addiction (aide form dealing, which is acceptable in my mind).

 

[ech0s85]

for me the point where i stopped getting physical euphoria came pretty quickly. after that its more sedation, and sometimes id feel pretty shitty if i took too much. whden youve been using for years a lot of it is mental. I thought for a long time i was just using to get to normal and not sick, but when i finally did take a break i realized how much they actually were affecting me. you get so used to it that you dont realize how slow and sedated you are until you go back to normal. The one other big thing is the feeling of wellbeing they give you, which i never noticed until i got clean after using for years. when i was using i never really worried or felt like anything was reallly that big of a deal.

 

[ShaunG]

I just got probably one of the worst headaches ever for the past 2.5 hours about 3-4 hours after using a pretty good sized dose. A little warmth in the beginning (the hands glowing)...no euphoria...little sedation....just made me feel lethargic until I got this banger of a headache. I have no clue wtf from...i been drinking a ton of water. It feels like a pressure headache all over my head. The kind of migraine that makes you want to yack even though your stomach is fine and you can't have any sound or light around you.This is why its time to taper. Waste of money, no fun as i am not even getting high, and now stupid bad side effects.

 

[Tommyboy]

With an increased dose you should be able to get just as high, but the duration may be less. One of the biggest factors for me is sleep. If I haven't slept well and am tired as hell then the high won't be half as good as if I got a good nights sleep. When my last dose was is also another big factor. But give me 8 hours of sleep and at least 18 hours since my last dose and I'm all set, considering I have enough to do the job.

I always found the whole thing where people make it seem like heroin addicts are always 'in search of that first high', to be way exaggerated. A lot of people think that is what hte term "chasing the dragon" refers to in regards to heroin.

I honestly don't think I reached a point yet where opiates have lost their magic. But there is a point where reality sets in, you realize you can't get high all day, probably because you are dead broke. You want to know when the magic is really lost?...its when you dig a horrendous financial hole or you are being buried in a hole or you resort to crime to feed your addiction (aide form dealing, which is acceptable in my mind).

I agree about the whole 'chasing the dragon' thing being a myth. I think that the high remains the same if you increase the dosage to account for tolerance, although the duration may shorten a decent amount. I think that a better description of that term would be that the first high may be more enjoyable due to the innocence of it. You don't feel guilty about it, you have no idea what dependence is like, you haven't spent tons of money on it, so you can just enjoy the high for what it is. Fast forward a few months or in rarer cases years later, and you can get high with a larger dose but then you have to start worrying about getting your next fix, about everyone that's disappointed in you for you choosing to get high, and all the other bullshit that comes with the lifestyle, and that will make it less enjoyable than your first time. I guess with the exception of the drug eliminating the majority of that bullshit for the moment, which can be pretty great, but it's only short-lived.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Tolerance is a big factor.. that and you just get so used to the lifestyle and the daily grind. But, doing a larger dose, still gets you fucked up..

Opiates loose "their magic" in the way for me, that they stop becoming fun and you no longer look at them as cool... you do them because you're sick and addicted. At that point, the magic is gone, but you still get high as shit when you do enough dope.