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LSDiesel

LSDiesel

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I don’t really participate in politics much I would probably say I am libertarian if anything but I have lived on east and west coasts so I guess I hate democrats a little less than republicans but I don’t really like either.

I was just wondering since trump has these huge rallies if there is even a glimmer of hope that there could be support among his base for prohibition repeal? I would imagine that a sizeable portion of his base use some form of opioids or meth, probably in secret though. I probably fit the demographic of trumps base because I don’t have a bachelors degree and I’m white I don’t live in a red state though. Since street drugs can often be cheaper than Rx with minimal healthcare options could there even be a rallying cry within the republican base to do something like legalize heroin and meth? I know that issue would certainly motivate me to get to the voting booth if a polictician promised that. Granted it’s probably political suicide but man we need to make heroin great again. If we had our own poppy fields I probably would work for free with the assumption that I could get personal amounts daily of as much poppy pods as I could carry. Again, it won’t happen most likely not anytime soon but I wish it would. And American produced opium, morphine and H would most likely be quite expensive but it could put a damper on the Mexican cartels. American land and real estate is much more expensive than in poppy producing countries but we need poppy to produce narcan to counteract the fentanyl overdoses. If someone really did a lot of research into what it would take for one to grow their own poppy for their own medical needs I would think that even though many addicts only want fentanyl now oral opium as a maintenance option or morphine and heroin should all be legal options.
 
On subs now, but yeah lol. I call the ICE tip line weekly with the location of illegals. They’ve actually hit one of the locations I called and shipped 7 of em back to the Dominican Republic


And no lmao, I don’t think legalizing heroin and meth isn’t a good idea. I think you’ll find even mostly democrats in America agree with me on that don’t forget this is a fringe website and mostly a political hugbox last time I ventured into that sub forum

I turned right wing in 2020 after years of being in the center and getting treated like trash by liberals when I’d say both sides make valid points lol.
 
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Voxide said:
On subs now, but yeah lol. I call the ICE tip line weekly with the location of illegals. They’ve actually hit one of the locations I called and shipped 7 of em back to the Dominican Republic


And no lmao, I don’t think legalizing heroin and meth isn’t a good idea. I think you’ll find even mostly democrats in America agree with me on that don’t forget this is a fringe website and mostly a political hugbox last time I ventured into that sub forum

I turned right wing in 2020 after years of being in the center and getting treated like trash by liberals when I’d say both sides make valid points lol.
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Honest question - Being on subs, do you worry about RFK Jr's proposal that people on medications like suboxone or psych meds be catalogued and sent to camps for rehabilitation?

Also, do you get your Rx through commercial insurance or through the ACA-related plans (medicaid expansion)? A huge amount of buprenorphine users around here are on medicaid and there is increased worry about loss of benefits under the new budget.
 
tryptakid said:
Honest question - Being on subs, do you worry about RFK Jr's proposal that people on medications like suboxone or psych meds be catalogued and sent to camps for rehabilitation?

Also, do you get your Rx through commercial insurance or through the ACA-related plans (medicaid expansion)? A huge amount of buprenorphine users around here are on medicaid and there is increased worry about loss of benefits under the new budget.
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yes and no but mostly no. He can propose whatever he wants but that doesn’t mean it’ll pass. Massive violation of HIPPA laws and all that. I don’t spend much time worrying and catastrophing things that have a slim chance of happening. Sometimes I’d see posts about how the government secretly just wants to kill everyone and make methadone illegal and it makes me laugh my ass off. I don’t live in existential fear lol. It’s just not an emotion in my day to day life


Get mine with insurance via my corporate job. For a short time I got em off the street with petty cash. I live in a major metro and am walking distance from a corner that sells em day and night; the DA doesn’t prosecute for buprenorphine possession here (I think this is good) but sales are still illegal. I want to see more common sense drug legislation, but that sure as shit doesn’t mean making meth and fent legal for everyone to buy

I think if this is on the horizon, and one is on Medicaid, it would be wise to start tapering or saving money to pay for em outta pocket. Would I personally nix Medicaid paying for peoples subs if I had the reigns? Honestly no because I’d rather have them on subs on the taxpayers dime than on fent from money obtained by terrorizing our communities with property crime.

At the same time though, hard for me to dig up the sympathy. I work for my insurance. Theirs is handed to them. With money from my federal and state taxes.

At the end of the day if we’re rationing Medicaid dollars, yeah, I’d rather see that money going towards people’s cancer/AIDS/heart meds as opposed to a disorder that’s largely self inflicted. I wasn’t a pain clinic patient or anything like that; dove into recreational opiates just purely for egotistical and selfish reasons. Started with Nubain (nalbuphine) and escalated from there over the years. Sub WD sucks but it won’t kill ya. Bone cancer guy should get his meds free way before a sub patient should
 
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Drugs are most emphatically not legalised in those areas. Slack enforcement is not even close to true legalisation.
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Why not?

Here in the Bronx I saw a dude shooting a bag into his neck and the cop on the corner just kept on driving. How’s that just basically legal at that point?

Unless you’re referring to just selling them at 7/11 which is even more wild to me

Do I think he shoulda just shot and killed him in the street? No, but I’d like to see some sort of consequences yeah. No consequences is the reason people are inclined to stay on drugs in the first place and why they don’t feel a need to change.

I’ve known a lotta folks that got sober from prison. Never met a single one that picked up a drug habit in there from scratch tho
 
Voxide said:
yes and no but mostly no. He can propose whatever he wants but that doesn’t mean it’ll pass. Massive violation of HIPPA laws and all that. I don’t spend much time worrying and catastrophing things that have a slim chance of happening. Sometimes I’d see posts about how the government secretly just wants to kill everyone and make methadone illegal and it makes me laugh my ass off. I don’t live in existential fear lol. It’s just not an emotion in my day to day life


Get mine with insurance via my corporate job. For a short time I got em off the street with petty cash. I live in a major metro and am walking distance from a corner that sells em day and night; the DA doesn’t prosecute for buprenorphine possession here (I think this is good) but sales are still illegal. I want to see more common sense drug legislation, but that sure as shit doesn’t mean making meth and fent legal for everyone to buy
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I agree with you on several of your points - (for reference I was a heroin addict, got clean in 08 (bupe didn't work well for me in prior attempts so I did a methadone detox inpatient - 30/25/20/15/10/5mg doses - before going into residential treatment and then a halfway house) - I've also worked in MAT/OBAT programs as a clinician beginning in 2012 when I finished my MSW. I am glad that bupe is mostly overlooked, and I agree that full scale legalization of fetty/meth would be likely disastrous. I've come to think that some kind of buyers club where someone has to apply for membership to participate in purchasing personal use amounts of a substance are a better solution, especially if there was some kind of set administrative fee for distributing rather than profit for dispensing based on quantity sold.
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I think if this is on the horizon, and one is on Medicaid, it would be wise to start tapering or saving money to pay for em outta pocket. Would I personally nix Medicaid paying for peoples subs if I had the reigns? Honestly no because I’d rather have them on subs on the taxpayers dime than on fent from money obtained by terrorizing our communities with property crime.
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Yeah, this medicaid stuff is scary and I'm glad to no longer be working in a community health center right now. My last full-time job had about 75% medicaid reimbursements for patient visits in annual revenue.
Voxide said:
At the same time though, hard for me to dig up the sympathy. I work for my insurance. Theirs is handed to them. With money from my federal and state taxes.
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Frankly, we should all just have a free, public, single payer base insurance with some kind of modest elective system that people can pay to opt into if desired.

Medicaid recipients' tax dollars also pay into that same system that funds it (through sales taxes for example). Our health care would be so much cheaper if there weren't so many separate yet redundant companies providing insurance coverage - each with their bureaucratic administration, legal teams, and shareholder profit driving up the cost to your employer (who pays the majority of your premium), and yourself/myself etc.
Voxide said:
At the end of the day if we’re rationing Medicaid dollars, yeah, I’d rather see that money going towards people’s cancer/AIDS/heart meds as opposed to a disorder that’s largely self inflicted. I wasn’t a pain clinic patient or anything like that; dove into recreational opiates just purely for egotistical and selfish reasons. Started with Nubain (nalbuphine) and escalated from there over the years. Sub WD sucks but it won’t kill ya. Bone cancer guy should get his meds free way before a sub patient should
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"We're really good at getting people only suboxone, and terrible at getting people off" - doctor I used to work with who's been doing this a long time. I've advocated for a long time now for there to be standard protocols for short term detox/short term maintenance/long term maintenance and tapering, with a cut off date. So patients would start at a dose and start lowering the dose over time until coming off entirely. Sublocade is really really effective at this given that you continue to have active bupe in your system after 6 months of your last injection. That slow taper leads to a nearly painless withdrawal from bupe, even without comfort meds.

Problem is, every suboxone patient nets a 99215 provider rate visit for either the MD/NP/PA or even RN doing the visit - essentially allowing a nurse to bill for reimbursement at the same rate as an uncomplicated primary care visit (IIRC 180$/15 minutes as of a few years ago). If you've got 16 patients coming in over 4 hours, that adds up very quickly. Then there's the urine screens which net the clinic and the lab a nice little fee-for-service rate, and many clinics have pharmacy agreements or ownership of a pharmacy which nets a fill fee for each Rx. Given how often patients come in for bupe (1x a week to 1x/month or a few times a year) and given how straightforward those visits are compared to a standard PCP appointment, there's a perverse incentive to keep people coming in week after week/month after month. It's not even like most of the providers are profiting from this - but the ease of the visits cuts down on the number of complex visits/complex documentation time that goes along with working in this profession.

The self-inflicted piece is a bit more nuanced to me - certainly some degree of us got into this for foolish reasons. Some of us were born into fucked up families/poverty where this stuff was just around and was appealing due to the misery of day-to-day life. Some got into it because of physical pain or unresolved trauma that interfered with functioning. We don't have a drug problem in this country, we have a pain problem.

Thanks for sharing your experience/perspective. Glad you've found some success in overcoming that shit, keep up the fight.
 
tryptakid said:
Honest question - Being on subs, do you worry about RFK Jr's proposal that people on medications like suboxone or psych meds be catalogued and sent to camps for rehabilitation?
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No he doesn’t because he’s a Republican and that’s only going to happen to those “other” “bad” people and never happen to him.
 
LSDiesel said:
I I was just wondering since trump has these huge rallies if there is even a glimmer of hope that there could be support among his base for prohibition repeal?
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No. Because for those of them that do drugs, they are the “good ones” that have an exception and everyone else should go to prison.

The rest are Christian extremists snd anyone that’s not an alcoholic that uses a drug should go to prison for decades.
 
I don’t care what people say all drugs should be legal then the supplies you know what you’re putting into your body not taking huge wildcard combo mixes of today’s street opiates. Opiate rotation is good for tolerance too give them fucking options. If all the sudden it’s no big deal to grow a flower for medicine which the whole fucking world knows it’s great Medicine but the US says “na no medicinal value in heroin and lots of other. Pure fent has medicinal value tho!. What they really mean is heroin has hi potential to be abused with no current political use.
 
And the drug supply with tranqy basically ensures anyone is automatically Visually identified within months or even weeks of use by the sudden change in appearance and open sore flesh wounds on face and such. Even if you could hold down getting to work on time your boss will see you’re always preoccupied with some creepy plot that makes you shift into zombie.
 
Voxide said:
Why not?

Here in the Bronx I saw a dude shooting a bag into his neck and the cop on the corner just kept on driving. How’s that just basically legal at that point?

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That is imo not legal but like we Dutch do everyday. Toleration.
Toleration don t equal legality so at 1 point in time next to the main trainstation.
We had 'Perron 0' set up by a preacher, as harm reduction.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perron_Nul

It was combined with harm-reduction, having all at one spot vs the whole city.
Health and other care could be offered. The Methadon bus had a stop there.
But it escaleted as the word spread, worked like a magnet.

Junkies first national later international all drawn to that spot.
Must have been hundrerd s at night mostly, real weird sight one must admit.
It was not dangerous to walk past it. there was off-course also Police.

But that experiment was not a succes but better then how it was before.
So it got stopped, and the guy from the church [Dominee Visser].
Continued on a more organised way inside a church.
Still does.

Great guy met him once for personal advice about a addicted friend,
and how to handle him.
 
LSDiesel said:
I don’t really participate in politics much I would probably say I am libertarian if anything but I have lived on east and west coasts so I guess I hate democrats a little less than republicans but I don’t really like either.

I was just wondering since trump has these huge rallies if there is even a glimmer of hope that there could be support among his base for prohibition repeal? I would imagine that a sizeable portion of his base use some form of opioids or meth, probably in secret though. I probably fit the demographic of trumps base because I don’t have a bachelors degree and I’m white I don’t live in a red state though. Since street drugs can often be cheaper than Rx with minimal healthcare options could there even be a rallying cry within the republican base to do something like legalize heroin and meth? I know that issue would certainly motivate me to get to the voting booth if a polictician promised that. Granted it’s probably political suicide but man we need to make heroin great again. If we had our own poppy fields I probably would work for free with the assumption that I could get personal amounts daily of as much poppy pods as I could carry. Again, it won’t happen most likely not anytime soon but I wish it would. And American produced opium, morphine and H would most likely be quite expensive but it could put a damper on the Mexican cartels. American land and real estate is much more expensive than in poppy producing countries but we need poppy to produce narcan to counteract the fentanyl overdoses. If someone really did a lot of research into what it would take for one to grow their own poppy for their own medical needs I would think that even though many addicts only want fentanyl now oral opium as a maintenance option or morphine and heroin should all be legal options.
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Thankfully there seem to be very few MAGAts on here, you only see the occasional one
 
I really thought it was deeply disturbing trump managed to get elected again. If he didn’t honestly he probably would be in jail I almost think it was done out of self preservation necessity all that Jan 6 nonsense and never backing down how he won no matter what anyone says election fraud fake news cuz if he loses power his freedoms go bye bye
 
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