lurkerguy said:
Atlas is the one who has said he hates Sony.
Just to clear the air, I'll make what I hate about Sony explicit. They were a electronics concern that was passionate about audio (walkman, discman, the redbook standard), passionate about television quality (there are trinitrons from the mid 80s that are still 100 percent operational and display a better picture than some brand new tube sets).
In the early 90s, somebody figured out (and props to this guy, he made them mountains of cash) that they could save money by designing things to have lower estimated operational life, an that that faster obsolescence set in, the faster someone would buy another Sony product. Sony just straight up no longer makes quality audio products. People who buy their recievers, amps, car speakers, car stereos, et cetera are getting reamed for a brand name that doesn't even stand for fidelity anymore. They abandoned a partnership with Nintendo, and used the prototype to design the playstation. That was, IMO, the begenning of the dark ages for video games. That was when I got into PC gaming.Sony playstations break after a few years of normal use, the games are thoroughly japanese in a way that I just can stand (square RPGs are dumb, IMO, so is Shenmue, so are Teken characters). The sony Hegemony needs to end, and I'll get behind microsoft or nintendo, or both, whoever will do it. The old men at sony dont believe in videogames as art, or even as entertainment, they view it as a market, like films, or television, or movie rental, or car audio, or home audio, or video. They aren't even trying to make quality products and failing, they're just going through the motions and exploiting people who don't know any better (that last part has more to do with non-playstation than the playstation. The PS3 specs are nothing to sneeze at).
lurkerguy said:
That fact that consumers have spent twice as much on PS3s, as they have on Wiis, is an important point.
It goes to show how much they are going to spend on games in the future.
I think the consenus in this thread, (me and finder
) is that its not an important point. Even if it is, isn't it mitigated by the fact that twice as many people bought the competing product. Or that said new product is opening new demographic markets, or that it has rekindled interest in lapsed gamers (myself) who want nothing to do with the new metalgear, the new tom clancey game, or the new final fantasy? I argue that it does count for something.
lurkerguy said:
No one knows what is going to happen with PS3, it just got released 3 months ago.
Saying the PS3 is a failure, 3 months after it was released, is nothing more than a wild guess, especially coming from someone who admittedly "hates Sony".
There's a difference between what I mean when I say "failure" and what you think I mean... I think. I'm not calling the time of death on the PS3, and counting the days until everybody just agrees with me and abandons it. I think it will move along, have a couple titles that generate buzz every year, but never gain the adoption of the kind of numbers Sony had hoped for / anticipated. The price point is just waaaay too high, at least for me, and most Americans, I'd imagine. Even if a killer game comes out for PS3, nobody is going to know but the people who already own PS3s. This is pretty much gamecube syndrome all over again. Metroid is a great franchise, so is Zelda, but very few people were enticed to buy a gamecube for them. PS3 costs 3 times what a gamecube costs. A killer game for the PS3 would have to be like Halo (1) times like 10. It would have to be the best game anybody has ever seen in years, bar none. It would have to be so good that people who weren't planing on buying a PS3 (me, i guess) now feel the world is going to end of they don't buy one.
I just don't see that happening. Its not going to be a square RPG, the gambit system, the ostentation, its all awfully complex and undesirable, IMO. It *could* have been Resident Evil, but it looks like capcom might become a feather in Bill Gate's cap soon. I don't know if anybody is willing to sink the development resources to make the next amazing game on a system thats hard to develop for, and has half as many opportunities for a sale as the competition. I see it like laserdisc. That's my prediction, a marginalized product that showed great potential.
The PS3 launch, however, was the industry equivalent of the Iraq war. Supply problems, lies, hilarious boomerang controller, SIXAXIS name, absurd statements like "its a supercomputer" and "this is the last console anybody will ever own". After a launch where Sony pretty went off half-cocked with one good launch title, with a price point the market wasn't willing to bare.
Now, after launch, the Sony press releases read like statements from Kim Jong Il. Complete refusal to ackgnowledge problems, no kind words whatsoever for their competition, moving of goalposts, more grandiose statements that are laughable "wii is a fad, wii is an impulse buy".
A complete fiasco. The absolute opposite of how you want a system launch to go
That launch is important. That's where you develop positive brand recognition in the media (both the general media, and the trade publications). Thats where you show off you hardware (PS3 did do that well, resistance looks great, but where are the other games?). Thats where you set the tone of who you are in the market. Sony came off as a large corporation that doesn't listen, and mismanages. That's an apt description, but it could have been different, and it will be in another year, once the purge trial in the upper ranks is complete.
That is, by the way, another indication of a failure, resignations being tendered: and its already happened. So
failure to launch properly, still hope for the future, but many, many obstacles to overcome, the hardest of which involve neither microsoft or Nintendo
lurkerguy said:
As far as why you don't see any threads discussing Xbox 360/PS3.
I posted a thread asking who liked Xbox 360 as much as I did a month back, it was deleted within 2 posts, with no explanation what so ever.
The first person to answer the thread was a Mod, and his only reply was:
"No it sucks."
I find that hilarious
But ya, I think you should start another, at least to see who else is playing, what they're playing, and how they like it. If it falls off the main page, of turns into a flame war, I guess thats that. But ya, I wouldnt want to se it closed again.
i'm gonna lose some weight with this boxing game.
