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Is the Royal Family going to 'throw Andrew Mountbatten Windsor under the bus' ?

Zopiclone bandit said:
I always raise the issue with the people who pass out copies of The Qu'ran on the street, I always ask them if it's such a religion of peace why would a Sufi be killed for heresy by a Wahhabi.

Anyone who watched what ISIS / ISIL / Daesh did should be aware of The Saudi Wahhabi school of Islam (imho)
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Zopiclone bandit said:
I always raise the issue with the people who pass out copies of The Qu'ran on the street, I always ask them if it's such a religion of peace why would a Sufi be killed for heresy by a Wahhabi.

Anyone who watched what ISIS / ISIL / Daesh did should be aware of The Saudi Wahhabi school of Islam (imho)
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After my previous post, I remebered that the only two people who DID know what Wahhabism is were my Muslim friends.

If I quoted what they said, I would get banned. But I think it safe to say that they viewed Wahhabism as strictly for nut jobs and said so in VERY colourful terms.

I don't blame my local parish church for some Catholic priests being paedorasts.

I'm not saying the Anglican church is entirely without blame, but not being Catholicism, they don't have priests.
 
4DQSAR said:
After my previous post, I remebered that the only two people who DID know what Wahhabism is were my Muslim friends.
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That must be part of the reason why Muslims look so shocked when a "working class, white, smack addict" raises the subject with them.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
That must be part of the reason why Muslims look so shocked when a "working class, white, smack addict" raises the subject with them.
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I think I would be shocked if someone blamed me for the actions of a different denomination.

It was Guy Fawkes night not long ago, so it isn't it the case that EVERY faith has extremists?

Or shocked that a self-confessed smack-head would seek to take the moral high ground. But I wasn't there, so I have no way of knowing. Or do you insist on fair-trade H?
 
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4DQSAR said:
After my previous post, I remebered that the only two people who DID know what Wahhabism is were my Muslim friends.

If I quoted what they said, I would get banned. But I think it safe to say that they viewed Wahhabism as strictly for nut jobs and said so in VERY colourful terms.

I don't blame my local parish church for some Catholic priests being paedorasts.

I'm not saying the Anglican church is entirely without blame, but not being Catholicism, they don't have priests.
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Anglicans absolutely do have priests. They don't always use that title, especially in the Low Church, but they do have a priesthood. Vicar, for example, is an office held by a priest. To be a vicar you must be a priest. Same goes for rector.

And if you've kept in touch in the past few years they have their own scandals popping up regularly.
 
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@Perkins : Reborn - That is why I commented that the Anglican church wasn't innocent. After all, the Archbishop of Canterbury resigned over his part in covering up child abuse within the Anglican church.
 
Bleaney said:
Thanks for all the info. That is some good research to be sure!

I would imagine that the majority of the "Sex work in some capacity" would be at lap dancing / pole dancing type venues. Also adult modelling. Cam work etc. There's probably a lot doing those types of sex work. It's hard to guestimate percentages based on my own limited experiences of being dragged along to lap dancing venues by my mate a couple of times. I genuinely find such places deeply embarrassing and they make me very uncomfortable, but I'd guess that practically all of the young ladies there were definitely university students or uni student age.

There used to be a 'Little Black Book' online guide to, ahem, "gentlemen's massage parlours" in the region, and I admit to browsing that 'book' a few times. I guess it was kind of 50/50 regarding the age range, with roughly 50% being over 30s females, and the other 50% being uni student age young women. There used to be a lot of such venues in this city, each with its own website with photos of the girls etc, linked from the LBB. but I don't know if 80% or so of them have closed down, because the LBB no longer seems to work properly/hasnt been updated in years and is full of dead links. And most of the former massage parlours no longer have websites. I don't know if that means they have closed down, or just gone more secretive. (Or they might just have changed their names, I don't know what has happened tbh.)

tl;dr I think a lot more more students work in the lap dancing / pole dancing clubs than in actual prostitution. But there's probably much more in modelling or cam-work. But that estimate is only based on my own very limited experience. Back from when it was possible to sometimes see photos of the girls or women who worked in the parlours, on their websites, and you'd have their ages listed too. Although Most of the ages stated were probably actual age minus 10 years, for the older ladies.. Judging by the photos at least!

I JUST EDITED: the whole post with a couple more new thoughts, and: Regarding your last point, some of those that are in various niches of the 'industry' of their own free will, can earn extremely good money, as escorts, or in the lap dancing clubs. The same almost certainly goes for adult models or cam girls too. Although I have heard that a lot of porn actresses can get mentally scarred by being in that particular part of the industry. But much less so for solo posing for photos and videos in provocative poses and outfits etc, AFAIK. Then there's the whole ethical porn niche, which I would imagine prioritises the mental well-being of the ladies involved.

If these women are comfortable with what they are doing, they are probably a lot more successful at the capitalist game than many, and could be making a lot of money if they had the good fortune to be born with highly desirable looks and bodies, and have chosen to very directly cash in on that, while they still can.

If a feminist saw this post they'd probably wipe the floor with me, but it's just as I see things, from a male perspective.
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Hmm yeah I didn't consider that pole dancing would be "sex work" but I suppose arguably it can be. I mean actually I know for a fact it was included in that study coz I read this post yesterday and looked it up to check lol, was gonna reply then but my attention span waned or something. IIRC - there was actually a clearly delineated breakdown between "direct sex work" (prostitution, sexual services involving actual skin-on-skin contact as far as I'm aware) and "indirect sex work" (pole dancing / lap dancing included here and probably other stuff) - and in women it was 1.5%:2.5% direct:indirect, and surprisingly in men it was 2.5%:3% or something like that, like a higher proportion of the male students involved in sex work were involved in direct sex work. I know neither of those numbers add up to 5% either and that surprisingly the number of male students compared to female students involved in sex work is higher which I can't make sense of either right now or when I looked at the study... granted I only skimmed it so probably I might be not understanding everything. Possibly it points to (IMO) slightly too broad or at least not specifically delineated enough definitions of what "sex work" is, although I can at least understand I guess that it does kinda make sense that, for men involved in sex work, it makes sense that a higher proportion of them would be involved in "direct" sex work since there's just a lot less demand for "indirect" male sex work, as far as I can tell... and the overall gist of it at least was that it was a lower number involved in direct sex work anyway, possibly as low as 1 in 100 students and probably not higher than 1 in 50.

Mind you even if the other 3 to 4 in the roughly 5 out of 100 students involved in SOME kind of sex work are involved in "indirect" sex work, as well as pole dancing and stripping type stuff (which for whatever reason seems somehow a little more benign although maybe that's my own naivety again), even if it's the kind of soft-something pornish kinda stuff which would fit into "indirect" rather than "direct" (actually that's a question - is porn "direct" or "indirect"? Since it involves having sex for money, potentially, seems like it should be direct, but then also it isn't DIRECTLY selling sex... maybe this is in the study...), that's still a high number of students forced by capitalistic societal pressures onto a pipeline to some industries that are by now known to be highly exploitative and ethically questionable in many cases, which still seems pretty dark. No doubt for sure there's the odd porn star or high end escort who genuinely loves it, makes bank, and is unbothered by the potential for social judgement and exclusion from other career paths in future (not that "exclusion from possible career paths" is a valid reason to shit on anyone's choices - I just mention it as another symptom of a sick society, I guess) - but these people are absolutely in the extreme minority... On that note though I listened to Hamilton Morris talk to Janice Griffith on his podcast the other day, and she apparently is doing extremely well, seemingly totally content with her choices, and does a fair amount of ketamine but manages to not let it negatively affect her life, so... to bring things back to drugs, lol, she's obviously an example of the extreme outliers of successful sex workers. I can't remember much else from the podcast except that apparently they're friends and have got stoned together a few times, like so many podcasts a lot of it I'm sure was just idle chitchat but I remember it being vaguely interesting.

Here's the study anyway if anyone else wants to take a look: https://www-2018.swansea.ac.uk/media/Student Sex Work Report 2015.pdf

Obviously that is 10 years old now and probably many things will have changed, I wanna believe there are aspects of the sex work industry generally which probably have reformed somewhat since then even if probably not enough, although on the other hand back then I don't think OnlyFans was really a thing, and the cost of living and wealth inequality issues in the UK have not got better since then, in fact they've surely got worse, so it's hard to imagine that any of the darker insights that can be extracted from the data back then have improved very much.
 
So Farage predictably evades making an apology. And predictably singles out The Guardian for pursuing the story, which is the usual dog whistle business.

I'm wondering how far this'll go. Knowing British politics it'll probably peter out and be ignored by a lot of Farage fanboys. Although he did pick up some Muslim 'anti-woke' support that might (and should) fall away. And any Jewish support is more than definitely done for with his gas chamber fetish.
 


He's lucky to have apparently gotten away with all the other stuff that he's alleged to have done, but there seems to be enough evidence of other shady dealings to warrant his arrest.

This is perhaps the biggest, and indeed most shocking "fall from grace" that I can recall in my lifetime. (Roughly 5 and a half decades.)
 
With 2 of the major witnesses in the trafficked and underage sex worker case, having both died, it was always going to be virtually impossible to prove anything.

(And isn't that just incredibly convenient for Andrew?)

Presumably there must be sufficient evidence of whatever else he's done for him to have been arrested.
 
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Bleaney said:


He's lucky to have apparently gotten away with all the other stuff that he's alleged to have done, but there seems to be enough evidence of other shady dealings to warrant his arrest.

This is perhaps the biggest, and indeed most shocking "fall from grace" that I can recall in my lifetime. (Roughly 5 and a half decades.)
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Wow, you are older than me. The Tower of London? heh heh
4DQSAR said:
After my previous post, I remebered that the only two people who DID know what Wahhabism is were my Muslim friends.

If I quoted what they said, I would get banned. But I think it safe to say that they viewed Wahhabism as strictly for nut jobs and said so in VERY colourful terms.

I don't blame my local parish church for some Catholic priests being paedorasts.

I'm not saying the Anglican church is entirely without blame, but not being Catholicism, they don't have priests.
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It is sickening but anywhere you have adults with power over children; the perverts will tend to seek employment there.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Did you just about miss Nixon? I guess so.

But yeah, a fucking 'royal'. Seems to have a lot more weight behind it.
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Nixon was not arrested. He is also not From The United Kingdom.

The world doesn't revolve around America.

Besides this is sickening( the pervert part he got away with)The other part is justice that, will probably not be served properly.

Tower of London old school style.( unfortunately not) I bet he is crying like a baby. He probably wants his teddy bear, lol.

Also, seriously what does prince harry and his Canadian/American wife going to do?

You know the whole being broke and basically blacklisted by all the rich Americans they were once " friends with" who will no longer support or help those clueless, useless morons.

But I hope they throw him( andrew) under one of those cool double decker buses you guys have in The United Kingdom.

Also, I have to give prince willie some credit. He apparently is not going to help out his useless ( half brother?) and gold digging shitster in-law.

Also he hates andrew. The British Royal Family🤔. What will happen to them? Probably, nothing to them, except andrew will probably get a good wrist slapping.

Am I wrong? I know that prince andy looks different than his even uglier siblings.
Did Queen Liz #2, have an affair with that horse breeding friend of hers? What's his name?

I mean there is a long history and even in the past, recognition of bastards and whatever the female equivalent is England was accepted. Am I wrong?

I thought British royals had some sort of immunity from the law? I know they can get away with a lot, but this shockingly good. But he will probably get castle arrest, probation and a fine; paid for by the tax payers of England.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Adults with power over children?

Do you mean parents then?
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I wasn't even thinking of that.
I meant teachers, clergy, daycare workers ect.....


Unfortunately, that happens. They should be put to death, for that. A parent molesting their kids is unforgivable.
 
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