Opioids Is Oxycodone a better analgesic and less euphoric (addictive) than Hydrocodone?

[ErgicMergic]

Trying oxycodone for the first time tonight was quite anticlimatic. My brother's friend came through with a few 5mg roxies, so I gave him a couple 10mg Norcos in return, after a little chat I was now standing with 3 and a half of the tiniest white tablets I've seen yet.... "hillbilly heroin," in my hands, "woah..." I admit, I was quite scared of this fabled, "hardcore" opiate, but after dosing 2.5mg, then 5mg oxy a few hours later followed with 3mg oxy, with about 15mg hydro and some kratom earlier, I thought, "this is it? THIS is the big, bad drug the media

First off, let me say that I think oxycodone is definitely addictive, but only because it comes in high dosage preparations (tolerance, intense high in one pill) without APAP that are easily crushed, and it can also be effectively redosed, leading some people to go on long oxy binges. Also, the rate at which the drug crosses the BBB makes it a lot more noticeable; the quicker we perceive change from a sober mindstate to an opiated one is what makes us feel high, so sticking to the oral route is the safest in terms of psychological addiction.

So.... why is roxycodone so addictive? Media overhype? The tiny size of roxies making it so tempting to abuse by insufflating? The lack of APAP in the tablet also means no CWE necessary for people with hardcore tolerances, like those taking 90mg oxy or 135mg hydro. Reformulated OGpanas also brought a lot of people back to instant release oxycodone.


Summary: These recreational advantages are not the reasons I'm interested in. What I'm interested in is an opioid that has a decent amount of analgesic ability, but is also not too enjoyable. It is not as sedating at hydrocodone, which could help cut out a bit of the IDGAF aspect of opiates and make less naps and early passouts. It also lasts a bit longer, preventing rebound pain and compulsive redosing to maintain the high. I really appreciated the exceptional painkilling ability at 5mg, and it had less side effects than 7.5-10mg of hydrocodone.

 

[lsdaamn]

Oxy is stronger than hydro and I've found that smoking a few bowls intensifies that opiate high.

 

[tricomb]

Trying oxycodone for the first time tonight was quite anticlimatic. My brother's friend came through with a few 5mg roxies, so I gave him a couple 10mg Norcos in return, after a little chat I was now standing with 3 and a half of the tiniest white tablets I've seen yet.... "hillbilly heroin," in my hands, "woah..." I admit, I was quite scared of this fabled, "hardcore" opiate, but after dosing 2.5mg, then 5mg oxy a few hours later followed with 3mg oxy, with about 15mg hydro and some kratom earlier, I thought, "this is it? THIS is the big, bad drug the media

First off, let me say that I think oxycodone is definitely addictive, but only because it comes in high dosage preparations (tolerance, intense high in one pill) without APAP that are easily crushed, and it can also be effectively redosed, leading some people to go on long oxy binges. Also, the rate at which the drug crosses the BBB makes it a lot more noticeable; the quicker we perceive change from a sober mindstate to an opiated one is what makes us feel high, so sticking to the oral route is the safest in terms of psychological addiction.

So.... why is roxycodone so addictive? Media overhype? The tiny size of roxies making it so tempting to abuse by insufflating? The lack of APAP in the tablet also means no CWE necessary for people with hardcore tolerances, like those taking 90mg oxy or 135mg hydro. Reformulated OGpanas also brought a lot of people back to instant release oxycodone.


Summary: These recreational advantages are not the reasons I'm interested in. What I'm interested in is an opioid that has a decent amount of analgesic ability, but is also not too enjoyable. It is not as sedating at hydrocodone, which could help cut out a bit of the IDGAF aspect of opiates and make less naps and early passouts. It also lasts a bit longer, preventing rebound pain and compulsive redosing to maintain the high. I really appreciated the exceptional painkilling ability at 5mg, and it had less side effects than 7.5-10mg of hydrocodone.

Oxycodone does not prevent rebound pain, nor does it prevent redosing in any way, shape, or form. A lot of the stigma associated with oxycodone is due to media hype, but at the same time, this drug is pretty much an epidemic for recreational use all over the world, especially the United States. It's difficult because these medications are prescribed for legitimate reasons to chronic pain patients, it's why these drugs are around. However, oxycodone sure as hell is infamous in particular because of it being a relatively potent opioid narcotic that is readily available / diverted for black market use.

Some people like snorting roxis because they just like snorting things, regardless of more effective routes of administration like Oral dosing, which is the best way to take oxycodone and is the only way I recommend you, ergicmergic, ever take it. There's mixed reviews about the rectal ROA. If you ask me, yeah, it's another viable ROA, it certainly works, and it works well. However, the *codones have such a high oral bioavailability that the best way to take them is orally, regardless of plugging having faster onset.

Media overhype, there's certainly some of that, but there is some credibility to the hype.

You have only tried a tiny dose of oxycodone, I guarantee you that your opinions on this drug will change as you dose higher and higher.

 

[Aphex747]

lsddammn - is it just a me thing, or when your really high on opiates, can smoking TOO much on the bowl give you the spins and make you nauseous? i ask because i enjoy smoking with opiates, but i often find if i take too many rips it actually gets me queast : /

 

[spini4]

Such small amounts of oxycodone such as 2.5mg ain't gonna sort you out. You should have taken a larger dose the first go. I find redosing never feels as good as when you dose the first time. I personally think to get the full experience you should have downed all three of em at least at once. Unless ur trying to get analgesic affects from it...

 

[duanomatic]

Most experienced opiate users will tell you that Norco's are Oxycodone's little brother. I started on percocets and found the norcos to be quite a letdown. Maybe it is a personal preference. But even as a beginner, I would recommend 10mg as a starter dose on oxy, as anything less is a throwaway dose IMO.

 

[Snake_Eyes]

Most experienced opiate users will tell you that Norco's are Oxycodone's little brother. I started on percocets and found the norcos to be quite a letdown. Maybe it is a personal preference. But even as a beginner, I would recommend 10mg as a starter dose on oxy, as anything less is a throwaway dose IMO.

I'm the opposite I started with norcos and then percocet then strait oxy. For me the high from hydro is better and lasts longer but for pain killing I'd choose the oxy. The pure oxy was my least favorite.

 

[BiggDirty01]

I started with Hydro for fun, then became prescribed Oxy as I had surgery after surgery on my back and I can definitively say that Hydro is more euphoric and more useful in redosing, but not much of an analgesic whatsoever.

In contrast, Oxycodone has been a much more useful analgesic to me. Its euphoric in the sense that opiates in general are euphoric, but even with a consistent potentiation schedule, redosing Oxycodone is not very useful unless doses are markedly increased...somewhere in the area of 25%.

But as both are usually administered Orally, I say that Oxycodone has a much higher oral bioavailabilty and therefore doesn't require such high doses to start with as compared to Hydro.

 

[morphonorconic]

What is more or less addictive to some will be the opposite for others, which I'm sure you know. In terms of analgesia, oxycodone is substantially more potent. In a recreational context, it comes down to what you prefer. Oxycodone is speedy and energetic for a bit from the onset, and the effects gradually evolve into a more dopy and sedated high as it metabolizes into oxymorphone. The fact that oxy is available without acetaminophen allows for intranasal/IV use, and subsequently large quantities of the drug are able to cross the BBB all at once, altering its effects and intensifying its addictive properties. Hydrocodone is much more mellow and sedating to begin with, but doesn't produce the same level of analgesia as oxycodone.

The hype of oxycodone undoubtedly seems out of proportion once you actually try it, at least thats how I felt. But at the root of it is a fairl legitimate point: it is a potent, readily-available opioid which is ideally formulated for abuse.

Ergic- Have you considered buprenorphine or methadone for pain? Both are long lasting, effective analgesics at low doses, and minimally euphoric.

 

[tricomb]

^Great post

 

[Znegative]

Such small amounts of oxycodone such as 2.5mg ain't gonna sort you out. You should have taken a larger dose the first go. I find redosing never feels as good as when you dose the first time. I personally think to get the full experience you should have downed all three of em at least at once. Unless ur trying to get analgesic affects from it...

While I don't think downing all three of them at the same time would have been the best solution, I do agree that oxycodone is not really a drug that is going to produce much effects in dosages under 5mg. A typical starting dose for recreational purposes would be somewhere between 5-15mg, though I would recomend taking 5mg orally to begin with. Now if this was oxymorphone, then it's a whole different story, but oxycodone really isn't that strong. And from my limited experience with both drugs, I also prefer hydrocodone as its more reminiscent to heroin which is my DOC. That being said, oxycodone is more potent, and it also comes in formulas without Acetomeniphen or ibuprofen, which unless your going to a compounding pharmacy, your not going to find with hydrocodone. Another thing that makes oxy more abusable is that it can be easily sniffed or injected (though shooting these things is pointless as there is no rush), even though the truth of the matter is that oxy's oral BA is over 80%, higher than insufflation, and only negligible ammounts lower than when injected (but significantly longer lasting).