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Is once a month too much?

ions said:
MAPB interests me. Just never came across it.
I also have no problem sleeping on it.
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All MDMA is an amphetamine salt. Most of the time when I test a pill or "Molly", the Meth line on the test glows while the MDMA mark barely changes color. .

Did you mean you have no problem sleeping after taking MDMA?
*If so. . . You're lucky. I always see the sunrise on MDMA. On 5MAP I wake up foggy but at least I can get a few houra of rest before sunrise.
Are you in the US?
 
GanjaPadre/Pharmacologist said:
Again. . . What amount one is taking is very important when judging a safe rime for abstinence.
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Agreed. He was writing long, long before the APB series was patented and long before a certain braggart had to keep changing their story which began with:

'I invented APB'

to

'I was the first to sell ABP'

to the current

'Well, I was the first to ask the Chinese to find a cheap synthesis and call it Benzo Fury'.

Even half of that last part is a lie. There was a partner who LOVED the fact this person loved to brag. We ALL know the name of the good nocter, but the name of the partner who put in the money and came up with the marketing campaign... no idea.

But the same person is curiously quiet about Serotoni which was supposed to be their next 'Benzo Fury' but was quite disappointing.

But without instrumental analysis, it's always a 'mystery powder game' and I note at least two Chinese vendors are selling the totally legal ketone prescursor to the 6-APB series so I wouldn't be surprised if even people who make MDMA wouldn't spot the difference as the two are so similar thus who knows if even 'reliable' brands are unknowingly producing 6-MABP because whomever was providing the PMK spotted the Chinese offering a cheaper alternative. In bulk a mix of the two ketones would make it even harder to judge what is in there.

'The ways of commerce are exceedingly odd'
-P.G.Wodehouse

BTW Yes, 30 years ago there were MDMA 'recovery kits' being sold and boy, did we see how fast they sold at Kokopelli. Yet none of the staff bothered with them. The conclusion was that the hangover is what keeps down use. In short, I think they knew the kits made a person feel better BUT didn't seem to prevent the chronic damage. I quickly learnt that staff of a smart shop are quite like pharmacists. They get to see patterns among buyers. So someone who comes in twice a week to buy a 'recovery kit' would do so for a while... then go MIA.
 
I make my own recovery kits. I worked for Dance Safe and was on the team that developed KATY.
I never saw recovery kits for sale. I knew ravers who would push 5-HTP onto others the day after rolling.
I've made my own recovery items and wo any doubt do they help!
At Dance Safe we sold Marquis Test Kits but not anything for after a roll. Maybe they need to make some for people who roll often.

Also. . . i know 2 girls who took pressed X pills daily our senior year in 2000.
They are completely depressed and ome is fried. . . Meaning she can't even do simple math anymore.
It's sad and we all watched them roll for a year and worried but didn't know all of the true side effects back then.
Prayers to both for I haven't had contact w them for years.
I also know someone who is completely reliant on his parents, lives in their basement at 42 years of age, could never work due to being so out there from daily heavy Ketamine use.

The poor dude thought it was so cool to mix K into everything. . . Coke, Molly, Beer, etc. Now notv one of his old pald can even be around him because he rarely makes sense.
 
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Lucky guy. I could never sleep on MDMA. I love how 5MAPB is almost identical wo the speed.
I wish I could post my online source for you but I always get warnings for giving out info on acquiring clean and pure 5MAP.
Good Luck getting some and if you're in the US just Google it.
 
GanjaPadre/Pharmacologist said:
I never saw recovery kits for sale. I knew ravers who would push 5-HTP onto others the day after rolling.
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Well, I can only report what I wintnessed. If I recall it was two capsules of 5-HTP and a couple of other tablets which I never even bothered to investigate much. I think one employee just sort of gestured towards them and say 'oh, it's multivitamins and some sort of herbal concotion'.

But every Saturday and Sunday dozens would be sold at 30 Guilders and when the Euro was adopted, 10 Euros.

It was dubious as no clear list of contents were provided. The majority of Kokopelli products never appear on-line because if the shops are in The Netherlands, they only need to consider Dutch law which is generally quite rational. But ads on-line and suddently other nations could take them to task.

When magic mushrooms (the most profitable line) were banned, they switched to truffles which Dutch law didn't cover. Now they are into 'microdosing' which is BRILLIANT because 40 'microdoses' is one dose - so they still supply but in fact make a bigger profit. I note they still grow mescaline-containing cactii and if someone want's to buy slices - fine.

And what the staff sold under-the-counter was EVERYTHING. But it made up for the minimum-wage they were paid so I suspect the owners knew (in fact I know they do) but that's the employee's problem, not their's. I say I know because I gave a mate some 5-MeO-DMT when it was legal and one of the four owners bought it off my friends, took the day off so friend had to work an extra 8 hours so boss could go home and get messed up.
 
I remember several studies showing that serotonin receptors were damaged at the 8th month after a regular MDMA session, so tread with caution. Personally I would (like to) keep it at twice per year.
 
I rolled weekly in my early 20s as a rave kid. I have 3 college degrees. Damage 8 months later? Who did you hear that from? Santa Clause?
I am assuming you have tried MDMA a few times and probably never tried 5MAPB which is far less neurotoxic.
Anyways thanke for looking out but your info is way off. . . Especially for someone who takes a dozen vitamins and supplements exactly for Serotnin reuptake. I worked at Dance Safe and took harm reduction classes. I never heard about anything this goofy.
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I don't think people saying 'well I'm fine' is of much value. Yes, case studies ARE evidence, but the lowest quality evidence. Survivorship bias ALWAYS exists around drug use because people who were harmed tend not to join a HR comminuty after the fact.

You need a large cohort size will always show ouliers for whom MDMA usse appears to produce no measurable ill effects.

I found this meta-analysis in Nature Psychopharmacology. You can download this. Meta-analysis from a high-impact journal A meta-anaysis of 23 human studies.

link.springer.com

MDMA use and neurocognition: a meta-analytic review - Psychopharmacology

Rationale To determine the association between MDMA misuse and neurocognition using meta-analysis. Objective Separate analyses were conducted based on two sets of inclusion/exclusion criteria. A relatively stringent set required that the subjects be matched on important moderator variables...
link.springer.com link.springer.com

Of course the problem with any human study is the ethics. You can't sacrifice people, section their brains and directly test for damage. So association is all you can realistically say. But those P values are quite small...
 
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Dezi Daddy said:
What are long term effects of taking molly once or twice a month ?
Out of curiosity, I never have a problem with depression or feeling drained afterwards like some people experience…..
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If You’re Rolling, You Will Need To Wait 3 To 4 Days Between Pills. Also, You Can Only Roll So Many Times. It’s A Once In A Lifetime Opportunity.
 
GanjaPadre/Pharmacologist said:
I agree with you about pressed pills having some shirty substances in them.

Do you use Molly weekly?

Have you tried 5MAPB?

5MAP is now my fave over MDMA.
- I don't like grinding my jaw on MDMA
- I don't have any paranoia with legal 5Map
- I can actually sleep a few hours before the sun comes up.
- I know what's in the 5MAP
- I can always take a Pseudophed or drink a Red Bull to take in the sunrise before bed.
- I don't feel Nearly as brain burnt with 5map
- I can get 5MAP for about half the price of MDMA.
- Too many pressed MDMA pills are speed bombs and keep me up for 2 or 3 days.
*I am not a meth person. In fact I am quite the opposite and enjoy my Indicas and Benzos.

After rolling hard I have a recovery kit. . .
After 24 hours from the last effects I use 5-HTP, Lemonbalm, Rhodilia, MCTs, {Mono-Chain-Triglycerides), like coconut or Avacado fats and oils. I drink many gatorades and juices and make sure to fuel up and then sleep.

I hope this helps and stay safe!
*Please rebuild some of your brain nutes with 5-HTP and Coconut oil.

Please make sure you're taking Molly and NOT some random crap in the pressies.
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I’ve tried the pills you’re talking about. I think 5-MAPB is superior, but some of what you’re reporting is pretty subjective, in my opinion. I also don’t believe they actually contain 25mg each.

I recently got 3.5g of 5-MAPB HCl. I’ve taken five of those tablets before, plus a redose of two more, and I’m skeptical that I actually took 175mg. We’ll see how the powder compares. I’m guessing that 70mg of the powder will absolutely floor me.

What I was getting at is that I expected 5-MAPB to cause more teeth grinding because it feels more serotonergic than MDMA, although I'm not sure if that's actually been demonstrated. I never really got paranoid on either one. Sleep is about the same for both. I usually need a benzo and my clonidine prescription to get to sleep once it’s over. I will say that it’s definitely 5-MAPB.

As for feeling burnt out the next day, there are a lot of factors involved. Redosing is a guaranteed way to feel like shit. I usually roll early in the morning so I can still get a good night's sleep afterward. It also helps to hydrate well the day before and get an adequate amount of sleep the night before.

I wonder when the tablets will get banned, lol. Luckily, I have 3.5 g of the powder, so I’m set for life. It’s much more enjoyable than MDMA, in my opinion. MDMA ends too quickly, and I’m usually left feeling sad afterward, whereas I find the comedown with 5-MAPB to be much more gradual. The stimulation doesn’t really matter to me, since I’m just as happy dancing as I am lying down on either one.
 
Rectify said:
If You’re Rolling, You Will Need To Wait 3 To 4 Days Between Pills. Also, You Can Only Roll So Many Times. It’s A Once In A Lifetime Opportunity.
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That is total BS. You can safely roll throughout your life. I've done it for 30 years but for many of those years it was once or twice. When I roll monthly I use revovery herbs and supplements, that are posted in threads above this one.
I still laugh, have fun and enjoy life wo any MDMA or 5MAPB.
Taking a dose of Molly is the first and fun part.
Getting rested, very hydrated and repairing the grey matter in your brains is the second part.
The dopamine stickers with 5-HTP, Rhodilla and Lion's Maine mushies are great for recovery. Make sure to get plenty MCTs, mono-chain triglycerides as well. Coconut oil is a fat that helps allow the brain asorb many nutrients. Melatonin for sleep. Indicas for calming the body and mind, etc.
If you want to party you"re going to pay!
Consider MDMA as leaving a 3 day hangover. That's with a recovery kit.
Try to Vitamin Up, even if it's just a can of V8 and try to sleep as long as possible after a roll.
Also, don't believe half the BS on here. If anyone is saying 4 days or a week then they're playing with fire. Try rolling once a month at most and Never take over 300mgs or 3 average rolls at once. Especially pressed pills that have who knows what in them.
Also, try 5MAPB first if you can find it. It has way less neurotoxins than MDMA and without the amphetamine it makes coming down way easier.
 
I did .4 a month and I never had more progress in my life. I got a job, I planned for a certificate for another trade job. I wanted a boyfriend. I was in the abyss of depression coming from schizophrenia my broken mind reassembled itself not because of this drug but to pay for it. God works in mysterious ways. It also helped to see the bliss possible. The month in between the doses were waves of progress. I don't know if this helps but it did me. But yeah you're fine.
 
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Oh yeah. . . Even in High school when I was rolling and dosing nearly each weekend I still had a 4.0 GPA.

Now that I am a lot older I make sure to try to keep it monthly and only use 5MAPB.

I don't feel nearly as goofy/dumb for a few days after 5MAP as I do with MDMA and I like it so much more without the amphetamine salts.
 
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