RCs Is MDPV worth it?

[Captain.Heroin]

More than anything else, MDPV reminds of a true "adrenaline rush", the kind you might get from a car accident, having a gun pulled on you...basically the way you feel for the minute or so after having the shit scared out of you!

If that's true, why the fuck would anyone use it?! 8(

I think you would already have to be quite psychotic to choose to use MDPV if you know this is how it's going to make you feel...

I just tried it for the first time today, Intravenously.. and i can assure you that it is in fact addictive.

my advice is don't get a full gram. it's wierd the euphoria lasts like an hour. but then theres several hours of a crash with edgy stimulation, like a coke come down but longer, kind of sucks and creates a pattern of redosing every hour or so and then you're pretty much stuck coming down for 48 hours lol.

Fuck, meth isn't even that bad. At least you get more than 1 hour of euphoria from meth.

Like, for real, do people resort to MDPV because they can't get meth or whatever? I'd honestly like an answer here.

 

[bloodshed344]

MDPV is a mild stimulant at low doses, good for a night hanging with a good buddy. Smoke weed with it and youll have a chill ( and maybe sexy) time. MDPV at high doses , or abused , is not like this. and thats not MDPV, thats the user misusing the substance. and thats my entire point of all my posts in this topic.

Everyone who is disparaging MDPV is either blaming it on their everyday life problems (dosing it 24/7 isnt MDPVs fault), or overdosing, or just plain... not a fan of the effects which is quite understandable.

It's crazy how negative the response is to it after the events of the past few years. MDPV wasnt looked down upon nearly as bad a couple of years ago. I think there is a large amount of negative bias present here, by mostly uninformed people. Also people that are natural addicts to anything they can touch are a skewed point of perspective, so their opinion doesn't really count for much :/

 

[DickTate]

While I normally agree that the substances are not to blame, some of them, especially MDPV, have properties that make them more addictive or cause a stronger urge to redose than others.

That's what it boils down to. And if someone asks if it is worth trying and lots of people had bad experiences and/or loss of self-control, the rational thing to do on a harm reduction focused board is not advising the use.

 

[MrFister]

I went through a gram in about two months while also sharing with friends. I found it very compulsive, but it wasn't as bad as it was made out to be for me. It's probably just a personal thing though, because I did notice some friends were fiending harshly for this stuff - very strange behaviour.


Stay wary if you decide to experiment and stay safe

 

[bloodshed344]

I went through a gram in about two months while also sharing with friends. I found it very compulsive, but it wasn't as bad as it was made out to be for me. It's probably just a personal thing though, because I did notice some friends were fiending harshly for this stuff - very strange behaviour.


Stay wary if you decide to experiment and stay safe

Maybe some people truly are wired differently. Such a mindless and unsafe hobby such as an MDPV addiction would make me very depressed, very fast.

 

[Hiltoniano]

If that's true, why the fuck would anyone use it?! 8(

I think you would already have to be quite psychotic to choose to use MDPV if you know this is how it's going to make you feel...



Fuck, meth isn't even that bad. At least you get more than 1 hour of euphoria from meth.

Like, for real, do people resort to MDPV because they can't get meth or whatever? I'd honestly like an answer here.

Yea Captain, I actually have used MDPV as an alternative to meth just because I enjoy a good tweak every now and then. Also if you gain a small tolerance to PV then it's wayyy better, less side effects and a more bearable comedown, duration overall is shorter. I always vaporized, I guess it satisfied some terrible addictive urge I have inside to get high via smoking/vaping powerful dopaminergic stimulants....

TL,DR yes it can be a semi-viable meth alternative as long as you keep use short term and don't expect the same effects as meth.

 

[Toucan]

it is euphoric. it's just bloody hard to manage, and the euphoria is short lasting (making it even more fiendy)

 

[down508]

its been week since my post saying its addictive, on day 4-5 of the binge without any sleep i was having vivid hallucenations. finally slept last night. brutal week, no food, no sleep, no brakes.

 

[InHerOwnWrite]

Thar's the thing, mdpv causes hallucinations way quicker than other stims. Idon't wanna just bash mdpv tho, so i'll stop clickin on this thread.

 

[Halif]

^no need to bash it, but I don't think it should be promoted or suggested to be safe in any way whatsoever.


I'm pretty amazed at some of the comments in this thread. I'm wondering if a lot of people are not getting pure PV, because I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone could call MDPV a 'mild stim at low doses' which is good for hanging with a friend and smoking weed and just chillin.

Bloodshed: dude, I respectfully disagree with pretty much everything in your post. Of course, those ideas are your opinions based on your experience, and the following are mine. Everyone's different and there's really no telling exactly what you or I got labelled as MDPV (unless you had yours lab analysed. I didn't.)

But the dozen or so times I got hold of PV, it always ended up as a total disaster binge. 'Mild' is the last adjective I would apply to MDPV. Low doses or not. It is fucking over-powered like nothing else. And mixing it with weed sent me over the edge into total psychosis in record speed. (And I mean having a smoke of weed an hour or two after the PV, not at the same time).

MDPV at high doses , or abused , is not like this. and thats not MDPV, thats the user misusing the substance. and thats my entire point of all my posts in this topic.

I agree that the user must be responsible for their substance use and subsequent actions. However, literally nothing else I've ever tried has the same urge to re-dose. Having one or two small smokes leaves me feeling nice for a little while, and then makes me feel like utter shit for the rest of the evening unless I bomb myself out with benzos or opiates - or re-dose the PV. So it feels to me like it just isn't worth dipping a toe in at all.

I think there is a large amount of negative bias present here, by mostly uninformed people. Also people that are natural addicts to anything they can touch are a skewed point of perspective, so their opinion doesn't really count for much :/

I'd actually say that people who have experienced addiction or compulsive use with various substances have very worthwhile opinions. In my case, I've had to learn to be moderate the hard way, by making lots of mistakes and getting into bad situations with just about every class of drug you can name. And while it's taken me years and years to learn self-discipline, it does mean that I've built up some pretty solid willpower simply by knowing how much better off I'll be if I don't overdo it with something.

BUT, MDPV and a-PVP are the two things that I just can't handle. If I get 100mg, then I'll smoke it till it's gone. If I get a gram... same thing. Like nothing else, they hijack the brains reward pathways so powerfully that the urge to redose bypasses all logic and reasoning.

I can understand that some people might feel annoyed when a drug they have enjoyed and been able to control gets demonised over and over, but based on my experiences and those of my friends (and countless anecdotal reports on the net), I don't think MDPV deserves to be promoted or have its risks down-played at all. Basically, it's a ridiculously potent stim which is extremely difficult to use responsibly, has a tendency to lead people into paranoid and psychotic states, has probably the worst crash/hangover of any stimulant, and only delivers a short-lived high with rapidly diminishing returns.

I really can't think of a single reason to recommend it to anyone. If it's something that you've been able to use in moderation without adverse effects, then you are probably in a minority and it would be better not to try and defend it. Just enjoy your capacity to use it and keep in under control and keep that info to yourself.

Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience, and that of numerous friends of mine.

 

[bloodshed344]

^no need to bash it, but I don't think it should be promoted or suggested to be safe in any way whatsoever.


I'm pretty amazed at some of the comments in this thread. I'm wondering if a lot of people are not getting pure PV, because I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone could call MDPV a 'mild stim at low doses' which is good for hanging with a friend and smoking weed and just chillin.

Bloodshed: dude, I respectfully disagree with pretty much everything in your post. Of course, those ideas are your opinions based on your experience, and the following are mine. Everyone's different and there's really no telling exactly what you or I got labelled as MDPV (unless you had yours lab analysed. I didn't.)

But the dozen or so times I got hold of PV, it always ended up as a total disaster binge. 'Mild' is the last adjective I would apply to MDPV. Low doses or not. It is fucking over-powered like nothing else. And mixing it with weed sent me over the edge into total psychosis in record speed. (And I mean having a smoke of weed an hour or two after the PV, not at the same time).



I agree that the user must be responsible for their substance use and subsequent actions. However, literally nothing else I've ever tried has the same urge to re-dose. Having one or two small smokes leaves me feeling nice for a little while, and then makes me feel like utter shit for the rest of the evening unless I bomb myself out with benzos or opiates - or re-dose the PV. So it feels to me like it just isn't worth dipping a toe in at all.




I'd actually say that people who have experienced addiction or compulsive use with various substances have very worthwhile opinions. In my case, I've had to learn to be moderate the hard way, by making lots of mistakes and getting into bad situations with just about every class of drug you can name. And while it's taken me years and years to learn self-discipline, it does mean that I've built up some pretty solid willpower simply by knowing how much better off I'll be if I don't overdo it with something.

BUT, MDPV and a-PVP are the two things that I just can't handle. If I get 100mg, then I'll smoke it till it's gone. If I get a gram... same thing. Like nothing else, they hijack the brains reward pathways so powerfully that the urge to redose bypasses all logic and reasoning.

I can understand that some people might feel annoyed when a drug they have enjoyed and been able to control gets demonised over and over, but based on my experiences and those of my friends (and countless anecdotal reports on the net), I don't think MDPV deserves to be promoted or have its risks down-played at all. Basically, it's a ridiculously potent stim which is extremely difficult to use responsibly, has a tendency to lead people into paranoid and psychotic states, has probably the worst crash/hangover of any stimulant, and only delivers a short-lived high with rapidly diminishing returns.

I really can't think of a single reason to recommend it to anyone. If it's something that you've been able to use in moderation without adverse effects, then you are probably in a minority and it would be better not to try and defend it. Just enjoy your capacity to use it and keep in under control and keep that info to yourself.

Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience, and that of numerous friends of mine.

How the hell could you imply that you either don't feel it at all, or it's a super strong stim high? You CAN take threshold doses, and BLAM guess what. It's as strong as a threshold is. and if you take a heavy dose guess what? BLAM heavy stim high.

The rest of your post... well you're trying to be nice but it's just opinionated idiocy and you even concede yourself that you're wrong a few times. Don't attach something mystical to MDPV just because you're a weak willed stim addict.

MDPV dont even feel that great.

Dude when I wasn't even 20 when I did MDPV and APVP, had 250 mg of MDPV and 1g of APVP and had no problem controlling myself.

 

[Halif]

^wow... thank you so much.

You actually helped me to realise that I'm a weak-willed stim addict who spouts opinionated idiocy while trying to be nice.

I had no idea I was wasting people's time with my posts on here. Thank you again. I'll seek help immediately.

 

[BlueHues]

the only reason someone would so vehemently defend a drug like MDPV is if they didn't have access to anything else, were secretly frustrated by that fact, and had to talk up MDPV as if it was something good because it was one of the only options they had to get high!

As far as calling everyone who binges on MDPV and thinks the side-effects suck a drug addict, well that's just juvenile and ridiculous, and only someone with very limited experience with potent drugs would even say such a thing!

And yes, once you cross the threshold at which MDPV becomes active, the shittiness kicks in no matter what! Why you say? Because it's garbage! A flawed drug!

You can buy a gram of crystal meth and binge out on it for a day, taking way more than you probably should and still have it be a 90% enjoyable experience. It has a much cleaner more intense pure euphoria and it you can use for just about any intellectual or artistic activity, it enhances sex...etc. It can have a lot of the same negative effects as MDPV, but it genuinely does take abusing it to trigger those effects! MDPV has so many negative effects, it's almost like you're not even high! It's like the worst case scenario amphetamine experience, pretty much from the moment you take enough to feel it! Anyone who's ever done real stimulants would tell you that....

I'm getting bored of this thread and unsubscribing.

 

[Halif]

It's like the worst case scenario amphetamine experience, pretty much from the moment you take enough to feel it! Anyone who's ever done real stimulants would tell you that....

Yeah I agree with that description: The worst side-effects from stims (even at fairly low doses) for a short lived, and not so special high.

The question asked in this thread is: Is MDPV worth it?

I don't think there's any merit in demonising a particular substance and blaming it for a bad experience that one brought about by choosing to ingest it; HOWEVER, I really struggle to find any merit in the use of MDPV.

Hence: if you can't say anything nice.... blah blah.

No, MDPV is not worth it. Of all the drugs on the earth, there are few that are less worth it than MDPV.

 

[bloodshed344]

the only reason someone would so vehemently defend a drug like MDPV is if they didn't have access to anything else, were secretly frustrated by that fact, and had to talk up MDPV as if it was something good because it was one of the only options they had to get high!

As far as calling everyone who binges on MDPV and thinks the side-effects suck a drug addict, well that's just juvenile and ridiculous, and only someone with very limited experience with potent drugs would even say such a thing!

And yes, once you cross the threshold at which MDPV becomes active, the shittiness kicks in no matter what! Why you say? Because it's garbage! A flawed drug!

You can buy a gram of crystal meth and binge out on it for a day, taking way more than you probably should and still have it be a 90% enjoyable experience. It has a much cleaner more intense pure euphoria and it you can use for just about any intellectual or artistic activity, it enhances sex...etc. It can have a lot of the same negative effects as MDPV, but it genuinely does take abusing it to trigger those effects! MDPV has so many negative effects, it's almost like you're not even high! It's like the worst case scenario amphetamine experience, pretty much from the moment you take enough to feel it! Anyone who's ever done real stimulants would tell you that....

I'm getting bored of this thread and unsubscribing.

Funny, because I've done less than 200 mg of MDPV in my life, and that was almost a year ago. Why stereotype someone?

Also I agree with your description of the MDPV high. Don't be mad at me because of my philosophical views.

 

[BlueHues]

Well I apologize for judging you off-hand, but I personally happen to be one of the people who compulsively re-dosed on MDPV. I definitely have a long and storied history of getting addicted to drugs so its really no surprise that I'd use MDPV the same way, but most people experience that effect with this particular drug. If you enjoy it, I can't really tell you shouldn't, that would be absurd, but your opinion of MDPV is definitely the "minority opinion".

 

[Dr. Rabid]

This sounds like the worst shit ever. 0/10 would definitely not try.

 

[Halif]

Why stereotype someone?

Good question, Bloodshed. You should ask yourself that because you've been doing an awful lot of it in this thread.

Reading back over your response to my post and that of others', I realised how fucking rude and arrogant you were. You also said some non-sensical things.

How the hell could you imply that you either don't feel it at all, or it's a super strong stim high?

Where did I say that?

well you're trying to be nice but it's just opinionated idiocy

I'm not trying to be nice. I'm respecting the different subjective experiences people have and trying not to make broad sweeping statements which equate my experience with fact. And "opinionated idiocy"... why did you write that? What was the point? Am I an idiot for expressing an opinion?

you even concede yourself that you're wrong a few times

Show me where I did that.

you're a weak willed stim addict.

That's just outright rude and brings nothing to the discussion.

Dude when I wasn't even 20 when I did MDPV and APVP, had 250 mg of MDPV and 1g of APVP and had no problem controlling myself.

It's good that you were able to use those things without having any trouble. This is your opinion and your experience. But to then go on to say that anyone who has not been able to control their usage is 'weak' and is blowing things out of proportion because it doesn't match your experience ... well, again, what value does that add to this?

It's a dangerous thing to take your experience and conclude that MDPV isn't a high risk substance. You've taken your subjective experience (which does not match many, or even most, other people's) and made a broad statement about the risks involved in a very dangerous substance. And you've done it with a superior tone throughout.

I really don't like your attitude or contribution to this thread. But it also makes me glad that the majority of BL members are helpful, caring, and non-judgemental.

 

[bloodshed344]

Good question, Bloodshed. You should ask yourself that because you've been doing an awful lot of it in this thread.

Reading back over your response to my post and that of others', I realised how fucking rude and arrogant you were. You also said some non-sensical things.



Where did I say that?



I'm not trying to be nice. I'm respecting the different subjective experiences people have and trying not to make broad sweeping statements which equate my experience with fact. And "opinionated idiocy"... why did you write that? What was the point? Am I an idiot for expressing an opinion?



Show me where I did that.



That's just outright rude and brings nothing to the discussion.



It's good that you were able to use those things without having any trouble. This is your opinion and your experience. But to then go on to say that anyone who has not been able to control their usage is 'weak' and is blowing things out of proportion because it doesn't match your experience ... well, again, what value does that add to this?

It's a dangerous thing to take your experience and conclude that MDPV isn't a high risk substance. You've taken your subjective experience (which does not match many, or even most, other people's) and made a broad statement about the risks involved in a very dangerous substance. And you've done it with a superior tone throughout.

I really don't like your attitude or contribution to this thread. But it also makes me glad that the majority of BL members are helpful, caring, and non-judgemental.

No, I'm not promoting use of a high-risk substance. I'm just defending it from being mystified and glamourized by folks like you.

and nah, I'm not gonna show you where you said those things, because I don't feel like it. I might have even been wrong about them, but I doubt it.

 

[Ziiirp]

I'm totally with Bloodshed on this. If you are not prone to stimulant addiction than MDPV is not more dangerous than every other effective DRA/DRI. If you take < 15mg a day for me MDPV has less side effects than Ethylphenidate, Methiopropamine, 4-FA and other popular RCs. People forget, that it is ultra-potent. An equivalent dose of 1g MDPV would be 3g EPH or 4g MPA or 5g 4-FA (circa). Nobody should take those reckless doses. Nobody knows, whether any of the mentioned chemicals is carcinogenic, in fact it is not even scientifically proven, that Meth is not carcinogenic, so nobody should take it in above therapeutically effective doses. People, that are smoking chemicals and afterwards proclaim, that MDPV is so evil and dangerous, are outright ridiculous. Please seek a psychologist or equivalent. Yes, taking MDPV is dangerous, but not more than your average dirty impure street stimulant. GTFO. And for the OP : No, MPDV is not worth it, but almost no synthetic drug is.