MentalMagnificient
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Recently i came upon a "claim" from a chemist that produces LSD that claims that the original LSD-25 recipe is rare and that the vast majority of LSD is actually ALD-52 of which he says is very similar to actual LSD. He is very detailed about his claim and knowing that many vendors do try to pass off one chemicals as another I would not be particularly surprised if this is an actual occurrence.
On Erowid an entry on ALD-52 is as follows:
If this is true and actual LSD-25 is rare and most of it is actually ALD-52 what does this mean in terms safety? Is ALD-52 as safe as LSD-25 known to be? Or would non clinical studies thinking they has LSD have actually been researching ALD-52?
In the modern age what benefit would producing ALD-52 instead of LSD-25 bring? Obviously they are very similar but as we can see with many other psychedelics minute changes to structure can have big impacts up to death. Now I do not think ALD-52 is deadly but there may or may not be some other long term affects produced by the chemical assuming the claims made are in fact true. Does anyone know if ALD-52 is similar enough to show up as LSD-25 during the common tests? I have not been able to find a whole lot of information on it. Perhaps none of this is a big deal but when ingesting mind and body altering substances I put great importance on knowing the potential risks of such substances. If anyone could shed any light on this It would be much appreciated.
On Erowid an entry on ALD-52 is as follows:
With the interest recently in the drug ALD-52 on this group I thought the following extract from 'The Brotherhood of Eternal Love' by Stewart Tendler & David May, Panther Books, England 1984 might be useful:
'Windsor [US lab] was not producing lSD but ALD-52, similar but not illegal, or so [Tim] Scully believed. Scully found the ALD formula among scientific papers and books in the specialist library at Berkeley. It was a compound [Albert] Hofmann had tested years before. At the University of California Medical Center(sic), Scully uncovered the scientific paper Hofmann and a colleague had published on the drug. From the US Patent Office he drew patent number 2,810,723, lodged by Sandoz with production details. In the Hallucinogens co-authored by Osmond and Hofmann, Scully discovered a table comparing the effects of ALD and other drugs in the same family.
The table suggested that ALD might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced brain waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state.
There was one snag. Hofmann's formula meant making LSD first, then converting it into ALD. Although the finished product might be legal , at a crucial stage in its production it was illegal. The solution was a simple reversal in the order of production so that at no time was the drug illegal. Neither Hitchcock nor the Brothers were told of ALD. Hitchcock had been badly burned financially when STP had picked up a bad name on the streets. It was thought he would oppose ALD as yet another innovation that would prove difficult to sell. The drug was simply labelled 'acid', and he and the Brotherhood were none the wiser.'
If this is true and actual LSD-25 is rare and most of it is actually ALD-52 what does this mean in terms safety? Is ALD-52 as safe as LSD-25 known to be? Or would non clinical studies thinking they has LSD have actually been researching ALD-52?
In the modern age what benefit would producing ALD-52 instead of LSD-25 bring? Obviously they are very similar but as we can see with many other psychedelics minute changes to structure can have big impacts up to death. Now I do not think ALD-52 is deadly but there may or may not be some other long term affects produced by the chemical assuming the claims made are in fact true. Does anyone know if ALD-52 is similar enough to show up as LSD-25 during the common tests? I have not been able to find a whole lot of information on it. Perhaps none of this is a big deal but when ingesting mind and body altering substances I put great importance on knowing the potential risks of such substances. If anyone could shed any light on this It would be much appreciated.
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