Is Jesus' divorce law anti-love?

[Shrooms00087]

Both? That's the definition of God in Christian terms. Unfathomable. I joke about inconsistencies/absurdities and things but theology is a very interesting topic. If we were to Fathom God what need would there be for him to exist as an Eternal Dialectic?

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

No. You can not fathom God. Now I am starting to believe you're not even a Gnostic.

Gnostic Christians understand morality. Christians do not.

They say they fathom God while Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers.

You have no clue as to what Gnostic Christians are or how they believe.

Ask. Do not presume you know what a developing religion is.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Are we talking about the God you believe in (well, entertain the idea of) or the God from the bible?

I'm almost certain they're not one and the same.

Correct. The bible God is a prick while the Godhead I know is not.

Here is where I think the Godhead, a cosmic consciousness, lives.

Science may be catching up to what I believe to be true.

http://vimeo.com/26318064

Nothing of a theology should be based on the supernatural. We are natural and so should our God be.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Both? That's the definition of God in Christian terms. Unfathomable. I joke about inconsistencies/absurdities and things but theology is a very interesting topic. If we were to Fathom God what need would there be for him to exist as an Eternal Dialectic?

No need to anyone except those who have lied about what they can know of a God.

Regards
DL

 

[herbavore]

I grew up with a fairly watered down dosing of bible stories and some Sunday school and I'm sure that my parents saw that as a way to reinforce the morality they were trying to teach us, but it was never the most important way. Empathy, and our human capacity to employ it, was the more important tool. Whether it was lying, name-calling, hitting or taking something that belonged to someone else, my parents used "How would you feel if someone did this to you?" as the way to get us to develop our own moral compasses within. The best thing to come out of the bible for me was the golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". It encapsulates the foundation of morality built on your own natural source of empathy--your own experience projected out in order to understand another.

Applying the golden rule as it applies to something as subjective and complex as divorce is impossible, except between the two individuals involved in their own particular and unique marriage. Divorces happen for so many reasons--everything from the inevitable result of narcissism to abuse, incompatibility due to changes over time or an inability to accept change. Each couple must decide, outside of cultural norms and religious teachings, if a union is still beneficial to both parties. What Jesus may have or may not have said is as irrelevant to me as what a random neighbor might have to say about it. For one thing he would have said it in a historical period where women were virtually enslaved by the patriarchy of the times. A man divorcing a woman meant that she was without protection or support and had no way to support herself. As Jesus was a compassionate soul, he may have looked at the situation of the powerless (women and children) and attempted to mitigate their suffering with no perception that the problem was not divorce but the institution of marriage between males and females that was a bigger problem and even that would only skim the surface of the gender inequities.

Still, because you would like a yes or no answer, DL, I would have to say that I do think think that denying people the right to divorce is immoral. (On the other hand, I don't see demanding of them that they carefully examine why to be overreaching.)

 

[Tromps]

Gnostic Christians understand morality. Christians do not.

You believe God created evil and it wasn't mankind's own doing?

 

[Shrooms00087]

Gnostic Christians understand morality. Christians do not.

They say they fathom God while Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers.

You have no clue as to what Gnostic Christians are or how they believe.

Ask. Do not presume you know what a developing religion is.

Regards
DL

What the difference between "Gnostic Christian morality" and "Christian Morality"?

You realize that you're reading into yourself with these questions of morality right? That the story/mythology itself is a center for which you meditate.

Now as to "no clue as to what Gnostic Christians are or how they believe" I never said I did...On the other hand I know a fair amount. The difference to me is hardly worth mentioning but I'd like to hear your differences.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Sniped for brevity.

Still, because you would like a yes or no answer, DL, I would have to say that I do think think that denying people the right to divorce is immoral. (On the other hand, I don't see demanding of them that they carefully examine why to be overreaching.)

Indeed. It is the greatest commitment a person can make to another and it should be given all the care we can to keep it.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

You believe God created evil and it wasn't mankind's own doing?

No and yes.

http://www.thesongofgod.com/tgc/basic_beliefs.html

We are Gods and in that sense, all humans are responsible for all human to human evils.

No point in blaming imaginary Gods.

Man is destined to recognize his supremacy and not some woo created entity.

We are on the same page but I see it slightly differently.

Regards

DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

What the difference between "Gnostic Christian morality" and "Christian Morality"?

You realize that you're reading into yourself with these questions of morality right? That the story/mythology itself is a center for which you meditate.

Yes. Know thyself is key to Gnostic Christians.

Now as to "no clue as to what Gnostic Christians are or how they believe" I never said I did...On the other hand I know a fair amount. The difference to me is hardly worth mentioning but I'd like to hear your differences.

My general beliefs can be summarized here but each point would have to be spoken to individually.

http://www.thesongofgod.com/tgc/basic_beliefs.html

The main things that drew me to Gnostic Christianity is equality of the genders and it's Universalist teachings.

Two areas where Christianity has failed miserably to promote. They continue to discriminate without just cause and show a loser of a God who cannot do his will of getting us all into heaven.

They do not believe the Word of God.
2 Peter3:9
The Lordis not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but islongsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that allshould come to repentance.

Christians also show their immorality by embracing human sacrifice and substitutionary atonement.

One should not try to profit from God having his son needlessly murdered.

Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

They continue to discriminate without just cause and show a loser of a God who cannot do his will of getting us all into heaven.

So in your Ideal Reality, God would be a winner, who allows everyone into heaven? How do you presume to know good without evil? Basically what you want is the Garden of Eden back. Well tough titties mister!

The Lordis not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but islongsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that allshould come to repentance.

The act of repentance is a high honor! It's the act of humbling oneself.

Christians also show their immorality by embracing human sacrifice and substitutionary atonement.

They did not "embrace" Christ's death. Christ's death happened! The sacrifice itself is rich with reading. We've actually been over this topic a lot so what I will say is that you are NOT critiquing Christian Morality as such --rather you are critiquing the story as such. Which is useless.

One should not try to profit from God having his son needlessly murdered.

Jesus Mother of Mary.

First off, God COULD NOT HAVE PROFITED.
Second, God and Christ are One
Third, It was Christ's Will to pay the ultimate price for His philosophies.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

So in your Ideal Reality, God would be a winner, who allows everyone into heaven? How do you presume to know good without evil? Basically what you want is the Garden of Eden back. Well tough titties mister!

.

Huh?

Who said good could be known without also knowing evil? Not me so no deflections or lies please.

Yes, God should be a winner and not the loser you follow.

Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

Well technically if I were a betting man and IF the Christian story is true then humanity murdered God and accepted the burden of Free Will and there is no God guaranteeing Order in the universe. What is left of Providence is M.A.D.

Fine but how do you propose to know both simultaneously without acknowledging one or the other as such? This is the role of Justice. This is also Justice in a universe where Providence is M.A.D.

For the first time Humanity has constructed its own crucifix and it is a giant sun dial which they call the 'atomic clock'. Man may again sacrifice itself.

Godspeed.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Well technically if I were a betting man and IF the Christian story is true then humanity murdered God and accepted the burden of Free Will and there is no God guaranteeing Order in the universe. What is left of Providence is M.A.D.

Fine but how do you propose to know both simultaneously without acknowledging one or the other as such? This is the role of Justice. .

Who is not acknowledging one of the other?

Which good and which evil are you even talking about?

Regards
DL

 

[Shrooms00087]

Mmmmmmmmm.

Tolle Lege!