is it safe to shoot oxy or not?

[onlyone3232]

I shot some oxy last night. got a mate to heat up the poweder in a spoon so it would dissolve but the pill binder didnt dissolve. I shot it & fuck it made me sick i was throwing up every 1/2 an hr.

anyways is this a really bad idea. i heard the pill binder can get cought in ya lungs or something. if i wanna do it i can do it with h. I dont wanna jeperdise my health for somethiong that has a high oral bioavailabity anyways. but ive met a few ppl that do it without health concerns.

luckily Im i know about BL & can learn & teach other ppl if theres any dangers.

so is it safe to shoot oxy or what?

 

[onlyone3232]

btw i usually chew oxys when I get them & shooting seemed alot stronger. I was sick from just half the dose I would usually chew

 

[effie]

Hey there,

I'm sorry you got sick

Shooting pills in general isn't a good idea, it's pretty risky due to the fillers and binders - as you say they can accumulate in your lungs, and can irritate your veins. If you do shoot a pill:

-Don't heat it! The oxy is soluble in cold water; heating it only causes nasty fillers/binders to dissolve too and enter your bloodstream, and end up in your lungs. Crush the pill and dissolve it in cold water instead. It might not have looked like the binder dissolved, but some of it may well have done - if you crush it up and be patient you shouldn't need to heat it..

- Always use a micron filter - they filter out the filler/binder particles as well as bacteria. If you don't use a micron filter and you shoot pills regularly you are at risk of a lung disease called pneumoconiosis which is progressive and can be fatal.

Info on micron filters can be found here and here, and IV complications (with description of good IV technique) here.

As you say oxycodone has a pretty good oral bioavailability so generally people don't get a lot more from IVing it (although it sounds like you did - maybe chewing them doesn't fully break the time-release mechanism so you don't get a full dose instantly orally?) and it doesn't give most people much of a rush, so generally it isn't worth IVing it. I can't think of any specific reason why it would make you sick apart from the dose being too high, especially if it felt so much stronger than oral did - in itself it's no more dangerous than other opioids, it's more the long term health risks of shooting pills which is the concern. However, maybe shooting it just doesn't work for you if it made you so sick...

The damage to the lungs is something that doesn't show up immediately and gradually builds up over time, so just because your friends seem okay now doesn't mean they aren't doing any damage. As the disease progresses you develop shortness of breath and a cough, and it is irreversible - your breathing will slowly worsen and it can be fatal in the end, so I would advise your friends to invest in some micron filters (you can get them online, links in the first thread) or stop IVing pills..

 

[onlyone3232]

thanks effie I appreciate ya help.
so if u wanna shoot oxy I should NEVER heat it right. i should just put the pill on a spoon & crush it with another spoon. heating it always helped it dissolve it but i dont wanna shoot the binders.


yeah for ny last night i only shot 50mg & it made me real sick. i havnt been shooting for long. i shot some heroin later on that night & it didnt make me sick. & ive shot meth before too but i didnt like it.. the come down just isnt worth it.

i might just stay clear of shooting oxy. but everyone ive met who has done it always heats it up. my mate heat it up over the oven. it dissolved it but still left the solid which i assume was the binder. but i dont wanna risk dissolving the binder.

like I said eveyone i know who IVs shoots there oxys. & heats them to help em dissolve. bt thanks for the help if im gunna do it i'll just crush it in cold water & not heat the water even though its not helping it dissolve & is probably wasting some of it.

does the lung problems happen straight away or does it slowly build up over time of using if ya accidently shoot the binder. now im a little worried that ive shot some binders & it's gunna fuck up my lung function or something. it's not the first time ive boiled oxy in a spoon & shot it but like i said theres always been a solid which wont dissolve

i kinda of am enjoying shooting & wanna do it properly but i might just stick with shooting h or meth because it doesnt have the binder. & just chew my oxys with some benzos.

im so sick today now after new yrs. i actually od'd on only 50mg of oxy but i had been drinking. i had a high dose of h later on the night & it was a good dose. not to high.

shooting it must be stronger cuz i can easily eat 160mg of oxy. ive had that much with methadone before. so i dont understand why shooting only 50mg made me so sick.

im drinking now to calm down cuz i was so sick yesturday. my mate was so worried about me.

i think h is overated a bit. i still rekon i can get a buzz from cwe

are u seriously should i defenetely never boil the liquid on the spoon?
if its dangerous I'll let him know u might be saving our health man

 

[effie]

Agh rubbish you're still feeling sick, it may well have been the drinking, mixing CNS depressants combined with a stronger dose of oxy is likely what did it.. go steady in the future, drinking + opiates have killed a lot of people..

The lung disease builds up gradually. Think of it like the lung disease from smoking (COPD or emphysema) - just like that it builds up slowly as you do more and more damage, and you don't get symptoms initially but when you do it is irreversible. It's not 100% guaranteed that you will get it, but it really is risky and not something I would do - I'd stick to IVing things that are't pills.. if you are IVing heroin or meth it is still a good idea to get a micron filter however, as it will filter out bacteria so you are far less likely to get complications from infection (abscess, sepsis, bacterial endocarditis etc..) and it will filter out a lot of nasty cuts too.

In theory shooting oxy shouldn't be a lot stronger, but everyone reacts differently and it sounds like it really did made you very sick! I imagine the alcohol did play a big part (NYE tends to cause people to drink a lot, haha - but please do be really careful with this, you don't want to have a fatal overdose...) but probably safest to stick to chewing in the future. Hope you feel better soon..

 

[onlyone3232]

yeah a m8 came around who actually found some pot. so i had a bit of that too. but the weird thing is the oxy made me so sick I was spewin evey half an hr. i got $100 of h later on. my mate took like $20 of it. but the h was alot easier to handle than the oxy even though i can easly chew over 100mg of the shit.
anyways thanks for ya help bro next time i wont heat if. uve done a good deed by showing me the right way to do it.

but yeah shooting it was way stronger. makes me question whats written on the net about bioavailability.

btw ive never used a micron filter cuz no body ive met uses em. im not to paranoid about it though cuz i know they're more nessasary with pills & not ice & smack

they dont sell micron filters here in australia at the pharmacy unfortunetely. but ve beem always using a new needle every time now. i learnt on BL not to re-use needles cuz it can cuase collapsed verins plus it doesnt hurt when ya use a knew needle.


thanks again effie. u may have saved me future health problems & i'll tell my mate not to heat up the oxy in the spoon to dissolve it. i'll tell him u only need to crush it & its not nessasary to boil the shit for the opiate to dissolve

 

[effie]

No problems there's another mod on here from Australia (Tripman - but he's not online at the mo) - I'll ask him about where to get microns over there. I know a lot of people don't use them but they really can reduce harm a lot. Glad you'll tell your mates not to heat the oxy or do it yourself, you definitely could be saving yourselves from long-term health problems

I'm really glad you don't re-use needles too! It's great to hear when BL has helped someone do something more safely

Btw - I've had to remove the prices from your post, as we don't allow them in BDD Im afraid, sorry about that!

 

[onlyone3232]

Hey there,

I'm sorry you got sick

Shooting pills in general isn't a good idea, it's pretty risky due to the fillers and binders - as you say they can accumulate in your lungs, and can irritate your veins. If you do shoot a pill:

-Don't heat it! The oxy is soluble in cold water; heating it only causes nasty fillers/binders to dissolve too and enter your bloodstream, and end up in your lungs. Crush the pill and dissolve it in cold water instead. It might not have looked like the binder dissolved, but some of it may well have done - if you crush it up and be patient you shouldn't need to heat it..

- Always use a micron filter - they filter out the filler/binder particles as well as bacteria. If you don't use a micron filter and you shoot pills regularly you are at risk of a lung disease called pneumoconiosis which is progressive and can be fatal.

Info on micron filters can be found here and here, and IV complications (with description of good IV technique) here.

As you say oxycodone has a pretty good oral bioavailability so generally people don't get a lot more from IVing it (although it sounds like you did - maybe chewing them doesn't fully break the time-release mechanism so you don't get a full dose instantly orally?) and it doesn't give most people much of a rush, so generally it isn't worth IVing it. I can't think of any specific reason why it would make you sick apart from the dose being too high, especially if it felt so much stronger than oral did - in itself it's no more dangerous than other opioids, it's more the long term health risks of shooting pills which is the concern. However, maybe shooting it just doesn't work for you if it made you so sick...

The damage to the lungs is something that doesn't show up immediately and gradually builds up over time, so just because your friends seem okay now doesn't mean they aren't doing any damage. As the disease progresses you develop shortness of breath and a cough, and it is irreversible - your breathing will slowly worsen and it can be fatal in the end, so I would advise your friends to invest in some micron filters (you can get them online, links in the first thread) or stop IVing pills..

not heating it up may leave some of the oxycodone as a soilid. can shooting solid parts of the oxy (not the binder) be also harmful??

I know, i know use a micron filter. but my mate who supplies all the shit ive been takin doesnt have any.

so the oxy will definetely dissolve in the water without any help. & shooting the solids of the oxy shouldnt hurt me right?

i might only chew them in the future but for the safe of my friend i might need to give him some advice because IVing is the only way he's gunna do it. & he swears he knows what his doing & his not gunna get a micron filter so if his got his heart on shooting oxys Id atleast like to tell him the least harmful way of doing so

 

[onlyone3232]

Bioavailability 100% (IV); Up to 87% (oral) according to wikipedia. i'll explain this to him but i dought he'll listen that the risks involved with shooting arnt worth the extra 15% bioavailabilty

 

[Tommyboy]

You shouldn't have any solid parts of oxy since it dissolves easily in the water. Just make sure that you grind it up very well, and then filter appropriately.

As far as the BA, obviously it will be stronger IV, but I think that the BA listed on the net (upwards of 87% ) is correct. It's just that you get that 90% over a longer period of time, as opposed to all at once with IV, which is why IV feels more than 13% stronger than the oral route.

Honestly, I don't think that shooting them is worth the trouble if you don't have a micron filter. I have taken it both ways, and I just take it orally now.

 

[woamotive]

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/363176-IV-ing-OC

Check out the link regarding this very subject Hope it helps!

 

[Tripman]

Hey mate, I saw you're from Australia and are having difficulty acquiring micron filters?

Where do you get your needles from? Any Needle Syringe Program will give you free fits and charge less than a few bucks for bacteriostatic water and Micron filters.

When I was in Melbourne there were heaps of NSP's to choose from, collingwood, richmond, footscray etc.

I'm back living in Tasmania now and we have a few NSPs.

Seriously fuck going to pharmacies, they treat you like shit in AUS when buying fits...

I'm surprised you got so much from shooting oxy. I never did. .

Seriously though don't heat it... Oxy is 100% water soluble in cold water. Listen to Effie, she knows her shit.

 

[onlyone3232]

The damage to the lungs is something that doesn't show up immediately and gradually builds up over time, so just because your friends seem okay now doesn't mean they aren't doing any damage. As the disease progresses you develop shortness of breath and a cough, and it is irreversible - your breathing will slowly worsen and it can be fatal in the end, so I would advise your friends to invest in some micron filters (you can get them online, links in the first thread) or stop IVing pills..

Does this mean that if u get binders into ya system just once it causes a desease that later down the track it causes lung problems or do u mean if u continue to inject a get binders in ya blood stream it gets worse & worse.
does it only take one time getting binders in ya system which could potentally cause this desease?

 

[ms4104]

I know everyone already said it, but the way your doing it you are going to have stuff lodged in your veins/lungs for sure! You should never EVER heat/boil the solution. Oxy is very water soluable, whatever does not dissolve is cut..and that is that. If you micron filter even more is filtered out..but the oxy passes through.

And I think just once you will be ok.. you are not the only one who has made that mistake.