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Is it ok to shoot up your son with IV drugs if he asks you to?

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Maybe if my son was over 30 and I knew he was going to do it right away, but I don't have child and I can't ever imagining actually ever teaching them to shoot up.

From my own experience IV'ing usually means addiction and I would never want my child to be taking anything daily and have to deal with the obsession and the dangers that come with needing to shoot up daily. So I would probably do everything in my power to stear them against it to be honest.
 
It is possible to just experiment with IV drug use but a lot more difficult, considering he doesn't use much it's probably best to explain all the negatives and positives about it from your experiences and then some information guides on IV drug use and tell him to go away and think about it for 2 weeks.

If he still says he wants to do it, he will end up doing it either way.
 
do you fear him making the same life choices as you, or are you happy with the way you live?
No he is a totally different person than me and does not function in the 'normal average way' (though neither do I). Some people think outside the square, I explain it like this to my folks, he "Lives Outside the Square".
Sometimes I am...especially when I'm high, but I've been through hell in the last year with a nasty marriage breakup and my 6 year business went down the gurgler and heaps of other shit. So I'm a tad messed up and have explained this to him and he understands my life is pretty screwed up from what it used to be like before.

Does he have a partner? does he use drugs to escape from social activities and other events? Is he maintaining and thriving in his employment?
Is he healthy? Does he have a chronic illness? Does he give blood?
Can he manage quitting if need be?
No partner.
He uses drugs (mainly alcohol to "escape his head" (his quote)...his thoughts as he has a mental illness and is a chronic Hypochondriac.
He doesn't mix well socially especially sober, an he can be quite intense and does not pickup on subtle nuisances and says inappropriate things, is socially awkward when sober, he mainly talks 'word salad' and quotes people and facts.
He is incapable of employment and has never worked and has an attention span of about 5-30mins depending on his state of mind and interest in subject.
No he doesn't give blood, you don't get paid to in New Zealand, except for a cup of tea and a bickie (kiwi for biscuit)

I hope you use micron filters and always use sterile equipment?
How long has he been asking you to do it?
Yes I do use micron filters and sterile equipment, see here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...he-injecting-ritual-more-than-the-drug-itself...

I think it's important to keep your drug using separate though - don't use together, don't score for him (or vice versa), don't give him any of your drugs. I can see more problems coming about if you develop a relationship that is based on drugs.
We have scored together and used together, drank together many times - he refers to this use as 'Our Bonding Tool'. Sad, mad, bad, but true.

Are you happy with your drug use and your IV use? Would you want your son to have similar experiences?
As above...
He already has and is using drugs, mainly alcohol regularly so has chosen that path on his own accord.

My honest opinion is that u should give quitting a try, I have fully recovered from a nasty opiate addiction and been down that path many times.
Good on you that must have taken a lot of will power, effort and motivation.
I usually only IV once or twice a week with my IV using mates, but these are usually day and night long binging sessions - what I'm trying to say is I keep it to 1 or 2 days a week max, so I'm still in control of my IV use.
But I do use other drugs and ROA's during the week too, and try and have at least one sober and clean day a week, and encourage him to do so too ;)

Do you wonder whether or not he would have ever wanted to shoot up if he didn't know that you did?
Yes I'm ashamed to say I sparked that interest as he always asked to watch me inject, which is what I used to do a year ago with a mate who introduced me to IV'ing - I would take photo's of her shooting up and perve at them later, I found it intriguing, captivating, exciting to watch.

You seem to imply that you can IV occasionally, so what negative effects has it brought you compared to any other level of drug use?
I can at the moment and are and try to keep it that way, but if I had unlimited funds and supplies that would probably change...wouldn't that for most of us?
Obviously it's one of the most intense methods of drug administration, and also the most differcult to perfect, and I really do enjoy the ritual as per my post above.

Why would any Parent inject there kid ?? R u mad
In !!! Don't you want to be a positive Influence ????
Maybe so, but in the interest of Harm Reduction, he tells me of the junkies with bleeding infected pussy sores and bruises all over their arms, at the homeless shelter where he sometimes stays using the same blunt needle over and over, tap water and in filthy, unhygienic conditions. I would hate for one of them to shoot him up with dirty needles etc.

I still try to be a positive influence in his life, as much as I can for an addict who has a lot of issues too. I was the one to motivate him to study at University, as he really is a smart kid...he got that from me lol ;)
I want him to experience things like a job/career, his own flat, the love of a woman, fatherhood, success and happiness etc. He confesses these thoughts to me when he's drunk, but in reality it's very unlikely to happen, and deep down I think he realises this too - it's heart breaking for me to hear these goals which in reality are dreams :(

If he is going to do it anyway (which is the major factor in this discussion, IMO), don't you think it would be better to be taught the correct way by someone he knows and trusts and knows how to do it, rather than potentially harming himself by being uneducated, misinformed or plain reckless?
I tend to think so, but I'm torn between the 'right thing' to do and the 'practical thing' to do.

I'd suggest trying to help him with his alcohol and substance abuse issues more so than teaching him to shoot up properly personally.
My son doesn't want to give up alcohol etc, he's not ready and in the halfway house type of supervised mental health units where he lives its a social thing drinking and smoking dope etc, as most of them just watch tv all day.

It's only an issue if the user see's it as such, he may not have a problem in his eyes. Especially if he has grown up with a parent(s).
He obviously managed his addiction really well if he is an alcoholic and passing uni, something I couldn't do personally.
I really wish the OP would come back and answer some of the questions posted here.
His Uni thing won't last long, he'll pass a few papers, lose interest, and move onto something else.
He grew up with Mormon parents, 4th generation is he, although alcohol was around he never saw me drunk as I worked afternoon shift and finished work at midnight.
I replied especially for you, but I didn't know how to answer the questions separately? Can that be done?
 
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The guy is mentally ill, with a history of addiction and whose life is already a struggle. If he has never been able to work because of a range of issues he doesn't sound like the type of person who could handle the increase intensity of IV drug use. What are his reasons for wanting to IV? What advantage is it for him? If it is to save money I'd rather shout him gear to snort than watch him fall into IV drug use. Sure a small minority of IV users are able to function in society as an occasional user but this guy doesn't sound even close to being able to pull it off. I'd feel guilty enough watching the ensuing train wreck if I introduced a close friend to this let alone the horrific consequences of my own son.

To argue that he is going to do it anyway is pathetic. Are you happy with your own IVing lifestyle? Any reasonable parent wouldn't want their son IVing to begin with. There are far more healthy hobbies to bond with your son for Christ sake. Get a tent and start tramping.
 
^^ You seem to imply that you can IV occasionally, so what negative effects has it brought you compared to any other level of drug use?

My drug use has gotten no worse than before I started IVing, probably even used somewhat less considering everything that is happening at the moment.

Yeah but NOT EVERYONE can... Even I'm surprised I didn't continue with iving everytime. The only reason I didn't was because my veins are shit period you can barely see them, ever since I was little doctors had so many problems getting blood or hooking an iv up to me. I even had to go to the er a couple days a ago and they used a butterfly needle on me lmao. Also I'm hypoglycemic so I tend to shake a lot, I would deff miss a shot if I tried unless I actually did eat on a normal schedule and not like go through the whole day then eat at 11 when I come home from work.

So yeah not everyone has the same situation as me... Also I have others who I trust (close friends) shoot me up those few times. Hell, I trust them more than myself.

Other than that saying its okay to IV is stupid IMO. I don't care you just don't recommend it if it can be avoided no matter if it has had a positive impact on you or not. And no dude not mad or bitchin at you just trying to state the obvious. So don't think this is me lashing out or some shit.
 
The guy is mentally ill, with a history of addiction and whose life is already a struggle. If he has never been able to work because of a range of issues he doesn't sound like the type of person who could handle the increase intensity of IV drug use. What are his reasons for wanting to IV? What advantage is it for him? If it is to save money I'd rather shout him gear to snort than watch him fall into IV drug use. Sure a small minority of IV users are able to function in society as an occasional user but this guy doesn't sound even close to being able to pull it off. I'd feel guilty enough watching the ensuing train wreck if I introduced a close friend to this let alone the horrific consequences of my own son.

To argue that he is going to do it anyway is pathetic. Are you happy with your own IVing lifestyle? Any reasonable parent wouldn't want their son IVing to begin with. There are far more healthy hobbies to bond with your son for Christ sake. Get a tent and start tramping.

Gotta say I agree with this post here Busty, I can't condone IV use to my future child.
 
It is possible to just experiment with IV drug use but a lot more difficult, considering he doesn't use much it's probably best to explain all the negatives and positives about it from your experiences and then some information guides on IV drug use and tell him to go away and think about it for 2 weeks.
Yes he has seen that with me.
Good advice!

What are his reasons for wanting to IV? What advantage is it for him? Sure a small minority of IV users are able to function in society as an occasional user but this guy doesn't sound even close to being able to pull it off.
Are you happy with your own IVing lifestyle?
1. He just wants to try it.
2. From his point of view it will "satisfy his curiosity before he dies".
My flatmate wanted to try IV'ing and he is the same age as my son (27yrs). He is a together guy, good job, hobbies like kick-boxing, a girlfriend etc, and a weekend-warrior - likes trying new drugs in the weekends. I have know him for a year and he asked me to shoot him with Meth as he was too scared to do it himself, so I did. Six months later he wanted to try OxyContin and ask me to do the honours again so I did. Point is I think my son would be the same, he snorted Meth with me once but when he got a nose bleed that was the end of snorting (he's a hypochondriac).

Yeah but NOT EVERYONE can. Even I'm surprised I didn't continue with iving everytime. The only reason I didn't was because my veins are shit period...

Also I have others who I trust (close friends) shoot me up those few times. Hell, I trust them more than myself.
True that's why I am taking this so seriously.
That's my point exactly...you trust people with your life - I have two people who would do the same for me.
 
Yeah but NOT EVERYONE can... Even I'm surprised I didn't continue with iving everytime. The only reason I didn't was because my veins are shit period you can barely see them, ever since I was little doctors had so many problems getting blood or hooking an iv up to me. I even had to go to the er a couple days a ago and they used a butterfly needle on me lmao. Also I'm hypoglycemic so I tend to shake a lot, I would deff miss a shot if I tried unless I actually did eat on a normal schedule and not like go through the whole day then eat at 11 when I come home from work.

So yeah not everyone has the same situation as me... Also I have others who I trust (close friends) shoot me up those few times. Hell, I trust them more than myself.

Other than that saying its okay to IV is stupid IMO. I don't care you just don't recommend it if it can be avoided no matter if it has had a positive impact on you or not. And no dude not mad or bitchin at you just trying to state the obvious. So don't think this is me lashing out or some shit.

It is recommendable if it is going to reduce harm, which is the whole point of this website.
P.S I don't think it's as obvious as you think, there are a lot of things to consider in this special circumstance. If it was as simple as the title of the thread maybe.

IMO opinion it sounds like he is going to want to try it whether you do it or not but being that he is a hypochondriac I don't think he is going to do it with some one using unsafe or dirty practices so your probably safe to say no.

Him learning to do it himself would make him more likely to do it more often, maybe.

Personally I did it for curiosity but I find my curiosity to be boundless, so now I want to try it with more different drugs so that isn't the best argument for doing it.
 
hypochondria and intravenous drug use sounds like a pretty problematic combination too!

there have been some interesting perspectives and ethical debates in this thread.
i sort of get the feeling you've made your mind up already, but it seems that you are at least open to debating it in order to reach the right conclusion.
i guess you're well aware of the fact that you'll be blamed if he goes off the rails after being introduced to the needle...i hope the responses have been helpful. be safe man.
 
i sort of get the feeling you've made your mind up already, but it seems that you are at least open to debating it in order to reach the right conclusion.

i guess you're well aware of the fact that you'll be blamed if he goes off the rails after being introduced to the needle...i hope the responses have been helpful. be safe man.
I havn't made my mind up yet, still deciding and thanks everyone for your honest thoughts and opinions, as I can't really ask my folks or Facebook friends ;)

Yes it will be on my head totally if I choose to go ahead with it.
 
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Yes, HR is important but there are some things you should never do and one of them is teaching your child how to shoot up. That's just going to far in my book. Do you wonder whether or not he would have ever wanted to shoot up if he didn't know that you did?

I think it's important to keep your drug using separate though - don't use together, don't score for him (or vice versa), don't give him any of your drugs. I can see more problems coming about if you develop a relationship that is based on drugs - and with someone so close to you it'd be very hard for either one of you to extricate yourself from the situation. I had such trouble when quitting my addiction with triggers - it involved cutting myself off from a lot of people - if that person was my father, I can't imagine how difficult that'd be.

Mate,

These two quotes say it all for me. To be honest, I think you have made up your mind already what you WANT to do and you are looking for validation because - deep down - you know it would be the wrong thing to do...and something you could NEVER, ever take back.

Don't get me wrong; I am still at the stage of loving playing with drugs (ice / methamphetamine) and I still am very grateful to the friend who introduced me to it and who still injects me because I find it quite difficult to do. And he mostly seems to have overcome his guilt on that even though he sees me becoming steadily more reliant on it.

But he also introduced his girlfriend to IVing meth and also injects her still (the three of us tend to use it together). And I can see the difference.

There are times when I can see my mate and I becoming "drug friends" rather than "real" friends; he and I used to have a close, uncomplicated friendship because he looked up to me as a mentor and father figure (for the father he didn't have), and I looked to him to protect me from many of the dangers that he had experienced. But still our friendship sometimes strains because of the influence of the need to use ice.

His girlfriend's mother has been an addict to heroin and weed for many years and, in many ways, is a soul lost to drugs. Indeed, in all ways but one: She is her kids' mother. When told recently that the mother of one of her daughter's friends used drugs with her child she said: "How can she do that? You can't be a mother and use drugs with them."

My respect for a woman I have never met sky rocketed. Because she still knows her responsibility as a mother and knows she must not cross that line. I know the background only from my mate's girlfriend's perspective, that her parents (dad has now succumbed to alcoholism) tried to protect her (and her brother) from their drug use; but their children's sense of what is "normal" was changed no matter how hard their parents tried to avoid it.

But, still, this woman knows a parent's role is to protect her child and not let her other great love (ie drugs) interfere in that in any way.

To me, there is your answer. By all means, counsel your son on the perils of drug use, and of IVing, and introduce him to all of the information available to protect him.

Make sure he knows that you are there to support whatever he wants to do, but not to share in it.

If you do share in it, you are complicit and, as Footscrazy said, you may become a trigger. What parent wants their child to look at them as anything other than an unconditional source of love and support? No matter the bond, his image of you will be compromised if you allow yourself to become a source of drugs or a participant in his drug taking.

To be honest, I think you have already crossed a bad line by allowing your son to watch you IV yourself. But this is another step way too far: stay your boy's dad, above all else. Give him all of the information he needs to protect himself; introduce him to those services that can help him; and - if need be - make sure his drug buddies know what they are doing.

But under no circumstances participate in it.

You are his dad, not his drug buddy. No drug buddy in the world can be as close to your boy - or be as important to him - as his father. Be his guide and his protector, not his dealer or facilitator.

Normally, on the whole HR thing, I would favour injecting someone if I knew they would possibly do it themselves and damage themselves. As I said, I benefit from that myself. But not if that someone was their parent.

Please let me apologise for the lecture; I do not mean to be harsh and I certainly do not mean to be judgmental. Good luck but, please, don't share the experience in any way with your son. There is no way to put that genie back in the bottle. The risk of losing the security of knowing your parents are there unconditionally and uncompromised is the greatest gift a parent gives their child; to risk depriving your son of that is far worse than anything else.

Make sure you are there if he needs you down the track and you may not be able to be there down the track if he comes to see you as associated with his drug use.

PS: One last suggestion: maybe take down the photos in the OP? It may be just me, because I am quite secretive about my drug use, but I am not sure assuming it is OK to put up photos of others in a public forum is a good idea, especially when some people in them might be contemplating doing things which are not strictly legal. I hope that makes a point really clear without actually saying anything...

Good luck to you and your boy. One thing which really does shine through in your post is how much you love and respect your boy.
 
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He's 27, if he wanted to do it, he'd do it anyway- fuck i know 15yo's shooting up heroin... Better to just show him how.

When my brother was FOURTEEN i got a phone call from in, this was 2005...

"hey bro, me and my friends found like 50 pills. they're White 120s.. are they safe?"
"check pill reports, i had a batch they tested black but didn't seem to be very active - doesn't seem dangerous, a few mates had a good time but most said they were shit"
He was in qld at the time.
now he loves HR, doesn't use bugger all drugs except every week weeks takes mdma and some cocaine.

The right teacher can teach you the valuable lessons - who better than a family member who loves you?

I dont condone giving needles to children and if i ever saw anyone do that to my lil boy i'd fucking murder them yeah?
But that said if he were 27 and not 3, and came to me in confidence I'd probably do it for him even though I dont even do it anymore.
 
This is one hell of a thread, definitely strikes a nerve in everyone of us here, and rightfully so.

I don't wanna just repeat what everyone else is saying so I'll take a different approach.

There is a very high chance that if you choose not to show him, and explain to him the risks which I'm sure he already knows, he will still proceed to try it. If I had my mind set on trying something, and I asked help from someone I care about or love, and they chose not to help me, I would seek out other routes.

But I still don't think you should show him, as selfish as this may sound, showing him personally if he does end up getting a problem with it, you will never get over it. It is simply too much to ask of a parent. Hopefully you will get lucky and he will elect not to try it. But you should make sure that he knows that if he does try it without you, you want to know about it. Secrecy can cause just as much problem with a drug that has as much addiction as this does.

Most likely he will try it without you and he probably won't get addicted. But there is not enough sense in helping a son or daughter get to a potentially self destructive life.

I dont condone giving needles to children and if i ever saw anyone do that to my lil boy i'd fucking murder them yeah?
But that said if he were 27 and not 3, and came to me in confidence I'd probably do it for him even though I dont even do it anymore
Too many people underestimate how addictivfe IV-ing can be, you know this first hand, and I'm surpised you'd still choose to show your 27 year old son. With a drug and method like this, addiction can get the best of unsuspecting people, I simply believe it is too much to ask of a parent. It's something that should be shown by a close friend or a lover, not a family member, especially not a parent.


This thread has really gotten to me, I've been thinking alot lately about how my life will change in the future when I have kids, and how I'm going to approach drug use should it ever come up. But I never really though about it on the scale and the age of this circumstance.

Good luck DrugfuckedNZ, and whatever happens and you decide, bluelight will always support you in this very very hard and controversial decision.
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But I still don't think you should show him, as selfish as this may sound, showing him personally if he does end up getting a problem with it, you will never get over it. It is simply too much to ask of a parent. Hopefully you will get lucky and he will elect not to try it. But you should make sure that he knows that if he does try it without you, you want to know about it. Secrecy can cause just as much problem with a drug that has as much addiction as this does.

Most likely he will try it without you and he probably won't get addicted. But there is not enough sense in helping a son or daughter get to a potentially self destructive life.


Too many people underestimate how addictivfe IV-ing can be, you know this first hand, and I'm surpised you'd still choose to show your 27 year old son. With a drug and method like this, addiction can get the best of unsuspecting people, I simply believe it is too much to ask of a parent. It's something that should be shown by a close friend or a lover, not a family member, especially not a parent.

Well said. Agree completely.

I can see the other side of it as well.

Are there any "how to shoot up safely" -type handbooks? I'm sure I've seen something available somewhere...
 
Hmmm. this is a difficult one.

I personally think you should do your best to dissuade him from trying IV drug use. A few people have commented that you can use drugs through IV recreationally, and I am sure this is the case, but one would have to be quite strong and have good support networks to increase the chance of this happening. But the OPs son doesnt sound like such a person; no job, no partner, serious mental illness, current alcohol abuse (possible addiction), living in a half way house. I could really seeing this spiral out of control and having a very detrimental effect on his life, when he is already having difficulty coping.

I would also argue that if he has severe bipolar disorder that methamphetamine could be one of the worst things for him.

I dont know, it is a tricky one, but my focus would be more on working to get him healthier and self-sufficient rather than enabling his use. I also personally couldnt deal with the guilt if I was a contributing factor to a loved one sliding into IV drug addiction.
 
I really dont think you should do it mate. I am an IV user myself and agree with NINDY's very wise words. You want him to see you as a source of unconditional love and using drugs with him, especially IV'ing them will dramatically change that. I am just repeating what has already been said but I strongly discourage you from participating with him. By all means show him where he can find the appropriate information and help him in any way you can but please leave it at that.

I must admit, he doesnt sound like the best candidate for meth use, meth is a very dangerous drug and very hard on you physically as well as mentally it, could very well send him down into a mental/psychological "episode" however that happens for him, and the chance is small but if something happens to him physically, and the worst that can happen is obviously him having a bad reaction and dying(And im sure we all strongly hope this never happens to anyone but the reality is it does happen) then you have just basically killed your son and will spend the next part of your life in gaol wishing that you'd never done it, at least if he does it himself you dont have any one and likely more than one of all these possible negative outcomes hanging over your back. Theres just too much that can go wrong in my opinion, my vote is dont participate with him, just educate him and definitely dont supply him with any drugs.

Be safe and I hope all goes well for both you and your son ;)
 
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