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Opioids Is it just a roll of the dice?

onetwonine

onetwonine

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Are there physical symptoms to look for before resp depression (in sleep)? I mean lets say:

day 1 -before i sleep i take 50mg of methadone and pop 2mgs of clonazepam. I guage how I feel. And a couple of hours later before bed go to sleep and wake up fine.

Day 2 (in a week not necessarily continuous)-I take the same amount of methadone (50 mg), and take my clonazepam (2 mg), gauge myself and feel exactly like i did on day 1, can i go to sleep expecting the same outcome (to wake up)?

There have to be others who mix opiates and benzos (bad) in a regular/semi regular basis (worse) who have wondered this. I know its terrible but I know there are tons of you out there.
 
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If it is within you tolerance range, you are just fine.

But, if you are the select people who are trying to get high on methadone, the length of the high and accidental overdose is highly possible.

You seem to be handling it very well...

Is that enough methadone to make you nod? This would be the factor I'm looking for with the danger factor...
 
The 50mg is my daily dose so no, I'm not Nodding.

It's also just an example, let's say it was a Nodding level dose, I've definitely gone to sleep Nodding (who hasn't?), I still Do make it a point to "check" how I feel. If im at a comfortable level of sedation, based on past experience, I feel safe sleeping. Is that reasonable? Or is it just Russian roulette?

At this point I know when I've done too much, and I basically never get there anymore just due to tolerance and knowing myself. But I'd like to know for the occasions I do.

Did heath ledger and pimp C go to sleep thinking they would wake up, after just a normal night of abusing sedatives. Or did the go overboard and die
 
Pimp c had sleep apnea coupled with lean. A typical nodding dose of JUST an opioid wouldn't worry me. Going over board is when trouble happens or with a prexisting condition.
 
f33lg00d said:
Pimp c had sleep apnea coupled with lean. A typical nodding dose of JUST an opioid wouldn't worry me. Going over board is when trouble happens or with a prexisting condition.
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I snore. Spent the night at a sleep clinic. When I was 17-18 and was told I had borderline sleep apnea (as in not enough to make the diagnosis) but close.

Hmmmm..

I've also been doing this for years, and know people who've been getting away with it for much longer than that.

Unfortunate truth of the matter of being on the methadone program is that there is pretty much always some opiate in me. Makes me worry when I decide to get a little high on top of that.
 
Yeah you might want to try to get an albuterol inhaler, I have one and it helps me breath a lot better. But you need a script for it. You could buy portable cans full if oxygen. If you're overweight, than losing weight helps.
 
I kinda have a similar question. I recently started doing oxy again after a really long break. Apparently my tolerance has never gone away. It took about 120mg just to get me nodding yesterday. At some point I really started nodding hard, I freaked out, and started doing everything in my power to stay awake. I've OD'd before and I was pretty lucid before I went to sleep, but I'm still unsure if that always happens. If you're about to OD if you fall asleep, would you have the wherewithal to notice that before hand, or would you need such a high dose that you'd be totally out of it before you could realize it?
 
I've taken sufficient doses to just completely fade out, all I noticed was dizziness, blurred vision and a buzzing sound in my ears and I was out like a light.
I woke up 8 hours later vomiting my guts up.

Sufficient doses will knock you out before you can even say "Shit, that was too much".
 
To the op, I don't feel you are in any danger...

Heath ledger and Pimp C were also consuming alcohol...

This is not something you are doing, and It is not a huge part of your picture.

Don't get too paranoid.

You are indeed fine as long as you are within your tolerance.
 
this is such a risky question, in OPs case i guess not bceause the methadone is a daily dose and obviously is used to it, however with most people just abusing opiates, they tend to fall asleep without noticing it, and this is how OD happens, its not like you start nodding out super hard and "it would be dangerous to nod right now, i should snap out of it"

that is how ODs happen, you think you are just super high or nodding really hard and dont really notice, and then you wake up with your friend pulling the narcan needle out of your arm
 
onetwonine said:
The 50mg is my daily dose so no, I'm not Nodding.
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If it's your daily dose of opiates I'd say your perfectly fine. I was dependant on benzos and opiates for sooo long and I used to add alot of extra to either (but not both at the same time, learnt that the hard way being woken up with narcan) and I never felt like I was about to go overboard.
 
I would often mix Xanax with my opiates, usually at night to help with sleeping. Your right to have some concern. I think that if you have some what of a tolerance to opiates and benzo's, you should probably be alright just as long as you don't go crazy and take some large amount of either or. To be on the safe side, just don't go straight to bed after taking them. Wait an hour are so, that way you can gage your breathing. I think you will probably be okay, but what worked for me might not be the ideal thing for you. Just be smart and safe with what ever you decide to do. Knowledge is power, hope this helped some.
 
SproutOnSmack said:
I've taken sufficient doses to just completely fade out, all I noticed was dizziness, blurred vision and a buzzing sound in my ears and I was out like a light.
I woke up 8 hours later vomiting my guts up.

Sufficient doses will knock you out before you can even say "Shit, that was too much".
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Interesting.

I've been there too but closer to when I had a baby tolerance and only beginning to mess with IVing. I've never gotten as high as I did during those days and I'm happy about it.

It's just strange to me that I can shoot heroin while on other sedatives, get that fucked up and still wake up when some of these guys are dying on oral doses of hydrocodone and benzos.

Luck?

Edit: oral doses of hydrocodone, benzos, AND alcohol apparently.

Still..

What did they overdo all three?

Maybe having a decent tolerance is something of a blessing
 
I agree before I got into heroin and coke, and mixing sedatives, I'm made sure I had decent tolerances to weaker (usually precise dosed pharma) cousin-drugs or in mixing decent tolerances to both. He'll I didn't mix opi and benzos till I had been addicted to both (thank god benzos take so long, compared to opioids, to develop intense wd)
 
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