My first post, but I had to reply to this. NEVER call the cops, NEVER EVER. You can't be on both sides, and by choosing to buy the drugs in the first place - you have already chosen your side. There are plenty of other ways to get rid of a dealer. You and your peeps not giving him anymore money would be a excellent start.
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Is it ever ok to dob in a dealer?
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drug_mentor
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Niceneasy, I don't think its about "sides", I think its about making a decision to consume alternative susbstances to alcohol which happen to be illegal. Many drug dealers are no more on "our side" than the police are, believe me.
Chopziller, I just don't understand opinions like yours. Do you believe you belong in jail? You have said it is "wrong" in the first place to have chosen to consume drugs, why is that? The difference between ripping someone off, robbing them or threatening/using violence against them and using drug? ALL of the stated things are illegal, but the only one that isn't highly immoral (or immoral at all imho) is the choice to personally use drugs. How can you really say something like that as justification?
Saying drug users should commit more crimes because they are already criminals is fucking absurd! It is people who choose to do this that further give drug users a bad name in the non using community.
To all the people saying shit about "playing the game", do you really believe freedom of choice is a game? And to exercise freedom of choice should leave one vulnerable to a whole host of bullshit one wouldn't expect when exercising it in another (ie. legal) manner?
At best you are basically romanticizing the illegality of drugs as hardcore, at worst you are implying consumers of drugs somehow deserve less rights than consumers of other products. (Either belief is incorrect imo and the opposite view of what a general bluelighter or harm reductionist should have)
Chopziller, I just don't understand opinions like yours. Do you believe you belong in jail? You have said it is "wrong" in the first place to have chosen to consume drugs, why is that? The difference between ripping someone off, robbing them or threatening/using violence against them and using drug? ALL of the stated things are illegal, but the only one that isn't highly immoral (or immoral at all imho) is the choice to personally use drugs. How can you really say something like that as justification?
Saying drug users should commit more crimes because they are already criminals is fucking absurd! It is people who choose to do this that further give drug users a bad name in the non using community.
To all the people saying shit about "playing the game", do you really believe freedom of choice is a game? And to exercise freedom of choice should leave one vulnerable to a whole host of bullshit one wouldn't expect when exercising it in another (ie. legal) manner?
At best you are basically romanticizing the illegality of drugs as hardcore, at worst you are implying consumers of drugs somehow deserve less rights than consumers of other products. (Either belief is incorrect imo and the opposite view of what a general bluelighter or harm reductionist should have)
Jakeperson
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What about if the dealer didn't have drugs in the first place and just beat the fuck outta you and took your money?
I'm with drug mentor and Pistachio on this one. I don't understand all the people saying how you have to 'play by the rules of the game'. This is an unregulated industry. There are no rules.
When someone starts dealing drugs, they must accept the possibility of them being 'dobbed in' by an unsatisfied customer. It is up to the dealer to maintain good customer relations so that this doesn't happen.
If I buy a load of pills from a dealer and they turn out to be crap, the dealer should give me a refund on any pills I have remaining. If they do give me a refund, I will probably keep using them in the future. If they refuse to give me a refund, I will not be a happy chappy, and they are obviously running the risk of me seeking retribution of some sort. That's their call, though.
As for the people saying you should beat up the dealer, why would I (or anyone) want to run the risk of getting arrested just to get back at some dipshit rip-off merchant? They're not worth it. Not only that, but if you do beat them up, you also run the risk of getting involved in an escalating feud, which could end up with you dead. Again, they're not worth it.
So.....from a moral perspective, I don't see anything wrong with dobbing in a dealer. In saying that, I have never done it.......yet.
When someone starts dealing drugs, they must accept the possibility of them being 'dobbed in' by an unsatisfied customer. It is up to the dealer to maintain good customer relations so that this doesn't happen.
If I buy a load of pills from a dealer and they turn out to be crap, the dealer should give me a refund on any pills I have remaining. If they do give me a refund, I will probably keep using them in the future. If they refuse to give me a refund, I will not be a happy chappy, and they are obviously running the risk of me seeking retribution of some sort. That's their call, though.
As for the people saying you should beat up the dealer, why would I (or anyone) want to run the risk of getting arrested just to get back at some dipshit rip-off merchant? They're not worth it. Not only that, but if you do beat them up, you also run the risk of getting involved in an escalating feud, which could end up with you dead. Again, they're not worth it.
So.....from a moral perspective, I don't see anything wrong with dobbing in a dealer. In saying that, I have never done it.......yet.
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Coolio
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What about the fact that they're on your side, against the police and government, in the War on Drugs?
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It's absurd you'd admit to informing police in a public place!
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^ The only viewpoint worth considering.
baby boy
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im wit coolio if people dobbed on there dealers everytime they got shit gear there would be no dealers left and this site would be useless
its never ok to be a dog
rats get bats and snitches get stitches this i like and will use again with the boys
you dont like what your gettin dont play the game as there are some bad bad boys out there that will do alot more to you that you wont like if they find out you rat
LOL this is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Some dodgy c**t who knowingly rips you off is no more 'on your side' than the police or the government.
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I haven't done anything of the sort. As I said, I don't care of the morality of it at all. But some people are literally saying people have no right to tell police. When really, alot of people would consider it your civic responsibility.
Not your problem if your not still together with them because you left them for said stealing. But I see your point.
drug_mentor
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Like I said in previous posts, its not cool over small shit like oooh that half gram of speed was pretty crap. I am mainly talking in the cases of being robbed or having violence threatened/used towards you. Also though straight rip offs on big deals. I think it is fairly well known big fish have snitched on other big fish to stamp out the competition so even if you talk your "rules of the game" shit, its been done by some real players.
Dealers who knowingly sell dud product, like I mean speed or coke (not so much pills as they probably didn't know they were duds when they bought them) that actually doesn't contain any drugs is kind of a touchy issue, crappy gear is one thing that as a user you just have to deal with from time to time.
I would not dob someone in for being ripped off, infact I have been ripped off before and didn't. I just think this whole macho "its never ok" is bullshit, there are definately some cases where it would be acceptable and if a friend did it I wouldn't look down on them.
If I bought a shitty product at coles I would have a right to a full refund. If my house was burgled I would have a right to go to the police. Why should drug users be afforded less rights than anyone else? Everyone here knows that we are not afforded the same rights but I thought we users of Bluelight were joined by a fundamental belief that we should be? Maybe I am wrong, maybe alot of you believe if caught we all deserve jail or that we should conform to the criminal stereotype of drug users by going around bashing people.
Coolio, I disagree on your view of "sides", I think a copper is more on your side than a rip off merchant. A rip off merchant has purposely put you out of pocket and possibly given you harmful substances to ingest under the guise of drugs for their own gain. Coppers (at least are supposed to) believe they are doing the right thing, they are out there to enforce laws they believe are right and serve the community better. If you are a victim of a crime police will help you, if you are caught commiting one they will arrest you, thats their job, they are trying to help people, atleast to a point. Dealers who rip you off have no agenda other than their own wallet.
Dealers who knowingly sell dud product, like I mean speed or coke (not so much pills as they probably didn't know they were duds when they bought them) that actually doesn't contain any drugs is kind of a touchy issue, crappy gear is one thing that as a user you just have to deal with from time to time.
I would not dob someone in for being ripped off, infact I have been ripped off before and didn't. I just think this whole macho "its never ok" is bullshit, there are definately some cases where it would be acceptable and if a friend did it I wouldn't look down on them.
If I bought a shitty product at coles I would have a right to a full refund. If my house was burgled I would have a right to go to the police. Why should drug users be afforded less rights than anyone else? Everyone here knows that we are not afforded the same rights but I thought we users of Bluelight were joined by a fundamental belief that we should be? Maybe I am wrong, maybe alot of you believe if caught we all deserve jail or that we should conform to the criminal stereotype of drug users by going around bashing people.
Coolio, I disagree on your view of "sides", I think a copper is more on your side than a rip off merchant. A rip off merchant has purposely put you out of pocket and possibly given you harmful substances to ingest under the guise of drugs for their own gain. Coppers (at least are supposed to) believe they are doing the right thing, they are out there to enforce laws they believe are right and serve the community better. If you are a victim of a crime police will help you, if you are caught commiting one they will arrest you, thats their job, they are trying to help people, atleast to a point. Dealers who rip you off have no agenda other than their own wallet.
Special-T.B.K
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That's bullshit. I'm not choosing the crackhead with the sores for soccer at lunch! Nor am I picking the rich prick who feeds him that couldn't give a rats ass about anyone but himself and his money... I'm not on their side and their not on mine. The crackhead will steal from me when I'm not looking or take the money for his own high. The Rich fat-cat career drug criminal isn't my friend or my pal either; he doesn't care if I turn into our junkie friend, nor does he care about anything other then the fact I buy product from him. As for the dealer that is skinny as a rake and sells product in the lounge room eating weet-bix for dinner while you're over- just trying to make that extra bit of dough- I can relate to alot more. However if they fuck around they know the 'invisible rules' Don't fuck me or I'll fuck you!
To assume someone is on your 'side' because they sell drugs is just retarded. If it were legal they wouldn't make any money... Why the F*ck would they want it legalised? They love cops, because they're corrupt as hell and I think alot of people have responded in this thread before they've really thought about the question...
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I concur that thought!
SpecTBK
Yes but you are a cop or a wannabe
Special-T.B.K
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I am not a police officer. I just work for the police. I would rather not say what I do as there are not too many people that do what I do so I could possibly incriminate myself or anybody I know.
Even if I were a cop. I'd have the same opinion I would just think it was screwed I had to lock people away for 10-15+ years one week for drug related offences (usually cannabis) and the next send a rapist away for 36 months + if we're lucky... That's what I don't get! 8)
If I were a cop I think I'd be in stealth mode or something! %)
SpecTBK
Even if I were a cop. I'd have the same opinion I would just think it was screwed I had to lock people away for 10-15+ years one week for drug related offences (usually cannabis) and the next send a rapist away for 36 months + if we're lucky... That's what I don't get! 8)
If I were a cop I think I'd be in stealth mode or something! %)
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Says the guy who just lost his greenlighter status lol.
static_mind
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Dont you test drugs or work in forensics that test the pills and drugs for the police?
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