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is homosexuality a choice?

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don't be silly - i am well able to have a argument like this without getting offended.

I am militantly queer, not immature ;)

Although i don't think i have that much more to say without hijacking this thread with queer theory. And then i will just sound like even more of a wanker.
 
^^^^^^^lol, goose, you dont sound like a wanker at all.

anyways, thread had run its race and was pretty much dead........lol

Oh shit, I just realised I called a mod a goose..........oops...........gets ready to accept warning.
 
MR Candyslut is pretty much on the money in my book .

Course, as far as I'm concerned all sex is repulsive. If we got rid of the sex drive alltogether that would be a really great thing for everyone. The infrastructure surrounding and supporting sexuality is hilariously absurd.

I would like to also add that the developement of pleasure seeking feedback loops is participatory (though for most not consciously participatory).
 
Mr. Candyslut, for the good of this assembly - grace us with your militant queer theory! I've always loved a man in uniform! (but I'm not queer myself; I was just born this way (contorted into the position of an Indian monk imitating a farm animal))
 
Indian monks are the new black ;)

I am not going to post it all again. The stuff on the page beforehand will suffice. :p
 
Hindus are not black! Neither are pakis! When will people understand? (Never.)

ONtopic, as I said it's about as much of a choice as sexuality itself. You don't choose to be sexual it just happens. MAYBE you could control if you're an Indian monk!
 
Kalash said:
Very, very true.
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Umm... What did I do wrong?
 
AuraithX said:
You are either born straight or gay, no argument about it really. It's a genetic condition. That's why you get gay animals
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Ok this is the most stupidist thing ive ever read and i've been on bluelight a while now.

How are animals gay? This is totally off topic but ive never seen a gay animal. My dog isn't gay he's just not that choosy. He has sex with with male dogs, females dogs, shit he seen has sex with my kitchen table leg if i left him. I don't think he's gay though he's just not that smart. Apart from this one instance ive never seen a gay animal.

I don't know if people are born gay or straight I tend to believe MazDan when he says it's just way to complicated to explain in a yes or no answer.

Personally I like men. I like women too but I wouldn't call myslef Bi or gay. I would just call myself open minded and sexually curious. I think some people might call me gay because Ive had sexual experiences with the same sex but I don't believe that's what classifies gay or straight. I guess it's all down to how you classify your sexualyity
 
Well, is hetrosexuality a choice?

No? You were born that way hu? Just not attracted to people of your own gender? Can't help liking the opposite sex? Tried everything and still straight?

Interestingly the answer to that is exactly the same as 'is homosexuality a choice.'

...except if you're bi. Are you bi mister OP?

Edit: gay animals, yes, there has been studies, yes some animals are gay, bi (or just willing.) Unlike people animals don't attach the same 'identity' thing to sexuality though, so the only way of telling is that you find no matter how many pretty does you introduce mister deer to, he still wants to court his best mate, hump his best mate and you know put his... that kind of thing. Its bloody weird. A book got put out about it called, of all things "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity" its by Bruce Bagemihl and John Megahan

The pictures in that book still freak me out.

How that is relevent to 'Is homosexuality a choice' I don't know. But there you kids go, yes animals can be fags too. Amazing.
 
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wesmdow said:
i searched the forum for this and didnt find anything?!8o

anyway... im writing a paper for psychology about it. i dont know any gay people in real life, so i ask you here: is it a choice you made, or were you born that way?
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Actively seeking intimate contact with same-sex partners is a choice. The desire to do so is not.

However, I don't know if people are born that way or develop a learned sexual preference over time. I suspect more of the latter, but with *some* degree of genetic influence steering them in a certain direction.
 
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I wish you would use "innate", "inborn" or "congenital" rather than "genetic". There may be influences during pregnancy that affect sexual preference and gender identity. The fact that the homosexual preference is seen in virtually all populations seem to suggest that the homosexuality is inherent to human behaviour. Why it is expressed in some people and not in others are questions that are as yet undecided.

O.P. asked individuals if the preference was a conscious choice.
As a bisexual person I responded that the preference was always there FOR ME.
The decision to do something about it and make myself into a happier and more fulfilled person was my own.
 
smart-e said:
Ok this is the most stupidist thing ive ever read and i've been on bluelight a while now.

How are animals gay? This is totally off topic but ive never seen a gay animal. My dog isn't gay he's just not that choosy. He has sex with with male dogs, females dogs, shit he seen has sex with my kitchen table leg if i left him. I don't think he's gay though he's just not that smart. Apart from this one instance ive never seen a gay animal.

I don't know if people are born gay or straight I tend to believe MazDan when he says it's just way to complicated to explain in a yes or no answer.

Personally I like men. I like women too but I wouldn't call myslef Bi or gay. I would just call myself open minded and sexually curious. I think some people might call me gay because Ive had sexual experiences with the same sex but I don't believe that's what classifies gay or straight. I guess it's all down to how you classify your sexualyity
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Just because your dog isn't gay or you've never seen a gay animal doesn't mean they don't exist.

http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html

I agree with you about the being Bi bit, I would say Bi people are just straight people that aren't really bothered. But truly gay people are repulsed by the opposite sex in the same way most straight men are repulsed by men.
 
All caribou are gay! Every single of those fuckin Caribous are gay as a hamster! While that is true, and the Caribou is Lord of the gay kingdom, not aLL gay people have antlers
 
augustaB said:
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I wish you would use "innate", "inborn" or "congenital" rather than "genetic". There may be influences during pregnancy that affect sexual preference and gender identity.
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Perhaps, but it seems more likely to me that certain inherited psychological tendencies (most likely based on brain chemistry) influence a lot of critical events during the formative years, beginning in early childhood. Certain events that may seem minor or even meaningless later can become deeply ingrained as lifelong patterns during those years... don't ask me how, I just have a few fascinating recollections of it.

I also believe that humans are born as sexual beings, and the associations made between sexual pleasure and various emotions/thoughts probably begins upon exit from the womb. Not often or regularly, of course... LOL.

BTW, I'm not puzzled at all by homosexuality. It's still based on sexual intimacy with human beings, and it's been documented in many nonhuman species as well. What weirds me out are these fetishes people develop toward shoes, leather/chains, women's clothing and such. I mean, WTF? Something seems really abnormal about that.
 
MDPVagrant said:
BTW, I'm not puzzled at all by homosexuality. It's still based on sexual intimacy with human beings, and it's been documented in many nonhuman species as well. What weirds me out are these fetishes people develop toward shoes, leather/chains, women's clothing and such. I mean, WTF? Something seems really abnormal about that.
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I used to think it was weird too. That is until I joined a self-help transgender group. I was surprised to find out that several members had unconsciously limited their gender expression to one or other sort of fetishistic behaviour for prolonged periods of time, for example to women's shoes, lingerie, etc. Self-realization and self-confrontation eventually led to certain of them making a complete transition.
 
Can any of the gays explain what evolutionary advantage a gay gene or genes would have and why it wouldn't be selected out during the natural discourse of gays not having sex with females over hundreds of thousands of years?

Regarding animals displaying gay behaviour...there is a difference as these animals still have sex with females and it may only be a dominance display, exclusively gay behaviour is something that is uniquely human.

Personally I believe homosexuality isn't a choice just like narcissism isn't a choice. During their brain's development during childhood they may not get all the right sex hormones at the right times (testosterone plays and important part in developing the male brain) and this then coupled with say, a weak or no father figure (a childhood trigger experience or experiences that may be undetermined at this time) may give the complement of forces that result in a homosexual end product. Most social theorists see childhood elements as the largest contributing factors to homosexuality. Often they examine childhood play patterns, early peer interactions and relations, differences in parental behavior toward male and female children, and the role of gender constancy in the household.
 
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