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Heroin Is heroin any more addictive than prescription pain pills?

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Taking its being cheaper out of the equation, is (insufflated) H any more likely to cause addiction than the abuse of painkillers? I'm very sporadic with my opiate use and actually never buy any myself as a general rule -- my friends just hook me up because I'm fun to get high with or whatever. Just wondering if accepting bumps of H is any more likely to destroy my resolve and beg my friends to hook me up with their dealers than eating pills. I've taken two tastes recently and I guess it's incrementally more enjoyable than oxycodone but I don't really understand the additional stigma placed upon it in relation to prescription opiates. Some of my friends who rail pills and think nothing of it are looking at me like some sort of leper now.
 
Hmm, that's a tricky question. H is definitely worse for you than prescription pills, it's very dirty and you never know what it will be cut with. It also has a shorter duration than most pills, so you're going to need it more frequently. I switched from Oxy to H a while back and went from a very controlled habit to utter disaster. I had extreme cravings from H and because it didn't last long it was impossible for me to stick to a set dosage like I had with the Oxy. Smoking it barely did anything compared to Oxy so I quickly switched to IV and the cravings became even worse.

I would say yes, without a doubt. I just don't have a list of why that is, only my own experience and that of others. After switching to H, I lost all control of my habit.
 
Depends on how one uses it. I can think of a more addictive pill habit and a more addictive heroin habit, depending on so many things from tolerance to ROA to lifestyle and environmental factors.


Hydrocodone and oxycodone are absolutely addictive, everyone's body is different.
 
tricomb said:
Depends on how one uses it. I can think of a more addictive pill habit and a more addictive heroin habit, depending on so many things from tolerance to ROA to lifestyle and environmental factors.
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This,

I think the general mindset behind using heroin is more addicting. That and you never know how much you dose.

If you take half an 80mg oxycodon, you have 40 mg. So you can control tolerance a little better

If you take half of 200mg of tar, you have an unknown amount and it could not be substantial enough to get you to where you want to be. Therefore tolerance control is much more difficult and I believe this is one of the major reasons why street drugs are generally more addicting.
 
Someone recently told me that kicking oxy cold takes longer than heroin. Personally, I can't remember the last time I kicked pills.

For me, pills just seem safe while heroin has the allure of the forbidden fruit. Sure, you never know how much you're getting with heroin, but with experience and reliable sources (and NEVER sampling a new batch alone... find a partner, even if it means corrupting someone... sure you'll regret it and hate yourself, but at least there will be someone to call 911 when you OD) you will have a good idea of how much you are consuming. In the end it doesn't really matter because WD sucks and you will feel like your whole world is unraveling whether you kicking 40mg of oxy or 40 bags a day.

I envy you people that talk about tolerance control.
 
In my experience heroin is indeed more addictive than the prescription pills that I have used a lot.

Out of, Hydrocodone/Oxycodone/Hydromorphone/Oxymorphone I find heroin to be a better high and more addictive than all of them. I am talking IV heroin here, and even when comparing snorting heroin vs any of those I still find it a better high but more addictive.

So basically heres what I think, heroin is the best opiate high but also the most addictive for that same reason.

Most prescription opiates are created with this in mind, they want to create an effective pain solution well being less addictive than morphine. Morphine is the gold standard, so when creating other pain meds the chemists goal is the make a drug that is less addictive but as effective for pain as morphine.
 
not counting dopesickness I find I craved heroin a lot more than other poi's ,when ur sick u crave whatever to get u well ,but dmn I craved heroin soo bad even when I wasn't sick
 
there the exact same. one is just much cheaper and a street drug. being cheaper means you can get high more often which will temp those with low self control to do so.

i snorted roxis/morphine for a year before switching to IV heroin fpr thos past year. of corse the high is cheaper but i dont find that to be a problem personally. and imo heroin is the WORST opiate high ive experianced and ive tryed everything from oral codiene to iv hydromorphone.

correct me if im wrong but heroin turns to morphine in the body within minutes of reaching the brain.
 
(my basic understanding of it) heroin (3,6-diacetylmorphine) -> 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM)/morphine (and a little bit to the nearly inactive 3-monoacetylmorphine), and the 6-MAM will either convert to morphine or be excreted along with morphine, 3-MAM, and inactive metabolites...
 
The Dope Man said:
there the exact same. one is just much cheaper and a street drug. being cheaper means you can get high more often which will temp those with low self control to do so.

i snorted roxis/morphine for a year before switching to IV heroin fpr thos past year. of corse the high is cheaper but i dont find that to be a problem personally. and imo heroin is the WORST opiate high ive experianced and ive tryed everything from oral codiene to iv hydromorphone.

correct me if im wrong but heroin turns to morphine in the body within minutes of reaching the brain.
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I agree with most of this, but would put heroin in the top 3 on my list of favorite opiates/opioids. I don't find it to be anymore addictive than hydrocodone or oxycodone (the other drugs in my top 3 list) but since it's cheaper and much more available it is easier to get strung out on heroin than it is to get strung out on prescription pills. Of course if you have a cheap unlimited supply of a different opiate/opioid then that can result in just as bad or a worse habit than heroin. I know people that are addicted to oxycodone that are way more strung out than a lot of heroin addicts that I know.

As for heroin turning into morphine, I believe that the 6-MAM is responsible for a lot of the drugs effects, so it's not just like taking morphine. I actually find morphine to be one of the least euphoric opiates, yet I find heroin to be one of the most euphoric ones.
 
The Dope Man said:
there the exact same. one is just much cheaper and a street drug.
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not true. the "oxy is just pharmaceutical heroin" myth is just a tactic used to get people to associate the negative stigma surrounding heroin with prescription pills. it's also regurgitated by drug users when attempting to show how hardcore they are for popping pills. sure they are both opioids/ates, but they are nowhere near the same drug when it comes to dosage, effects, duration, bioavailability, analgesia, or pretty much anything else. they work on the same receptors, and are derived/synthesized from the same basic compounds contained in opium, but they are definitely not the same. that generalization actually does more harm than good (in a harm reduction, not strict abstinence based approach) because when someone like OP who fucks with some pain killers once in a blue moon gets told that heroin is the same thing as those painkillers he'll have a skewed view when trying to determine if it's a good idea or not. think about the message that sends.

to answer your question in my experience heroin is far more addictive, and the high is vastly superior to all other pharmaceuticals. On heroin I used to stagger like a drunk, off something like .3 or .4. couldn't get like that no matter how many expensive oxys I could shoot. but heroin also brought me closer to death than any other drug I've done, to the point where I gad to be given 6 shots of naloxone just to wake up, shivering violently because of how low my temperature got, lock jaw, unable to speak. and to top it off I was still high after all that narcan. I wonder if I'm brain damaged from that, sometimes I feel like I don't think as clearly as I used to, or my memory isn't so great, and that's after being clean from opiates from over a year. that's something I'll never be able to get back, just from one overdose. I'm honestly too scared to get myself tested, I know so many people with hep C, I've used needles straight from other peoples arms. this shit will poison your soul like nothing else possibly could. I'm honestly tearing up right now just from typing this up and looking at the things I've put myself and my family through, hoping it will at least make you take an honest look at what your doing.

my advice is if you like your life, or don't want to learn what it feels like to have nothing and no one because of a drug, then give heroin a pass. there's a chance you won't get addicted, but if you already think the high is worth the risk then I'd say that chance is looking slimmer. you're getting it for free right now, but don't think that'll last. heroin addiction isn't just withdrawal, that shit stays with you for years after your last kick, and it's when your life is starting to be pieced back together and things are looking up for you is when you have to look out.

same goes for prescription opiates. I don't want to give the impression that heroin is the culprit in all opiate addiction cases. the sad truth is people die or fuck up their lives forever on all kinds of things. you're playing a dangerous game, any one who disagrees with me is probably on opiates. they say misery loves company. make sure you know what you're getting yourself into before you make a decision. look at the kids that are giving you drugs. I don't know what your situation is, but realize that if things aren't going so great right now the one thing you can do to make sure they won't get better any time soon is to get mixed up in some opiates.

I'd give you a little look at what this has done to my family, but I don't even think I can do it. I saw my mothers fingernails the other day and they are chewed down to stubs. I asked her what happened she told me it was her nerves. and this is after being off dope for 18 months, this shit stays with people, not just the ones who are taking it.
 
I don't dare to try H as I love morphine even orally. I would never choose oxycodone over morphine, it just seems a pretty average subsitute for the perfect opiate high. I'm afraid heroin is just too good for me being so closely related to morphine which I already prefer over anything.
 
it's just a matter of personal likes/dislikes about a certain drug i'm way addicted and have accsess to heroin but never do it i don't like the high and i IV and for me IV oxy has a better rush than IV heroin
 
I would do pharmaceutical opiates quite often but when the money wasn't there, I was able to walk away. Never got sick from taking pills and I did them quite frequently. When I started a new job and began using H on the reg, I couldn't stop. It consumed my every thought and I would blow at least half of my check on bags.
 
I mean.. I've seen pills completely ruin lives so they definitely can be super addicting. I think a big problem with abusing pills is that it can often lead to switching to heroin.. pills get expensive, tolerance goes up, and people make the jump to H. It's a pretty classic situation and happens all the time.
 
When taken through IV, heroin is certainly the king - hence why its practically the only street opiate you'll find that isn't a pharm.

There are some pharms that hold, and some that surpass it in IV administration - but those are the expensive big boy pharms that nobody can afford to binge on for more than a week or two (i.e. hydromorph/oxymorph). And even then, heroin is just so much cheaper while still remaining the standard by which other opiates used for recreational purposes are judged.

Its not perfect, but its damn close to it. And for addicts, the bang for buck factor when IV'd is spot on the money.

Any other MOA is up for debate, as I've found that I prefer oxy to heroin in non-IV MOA. But to each his own.
 
I live in norway, and we basically have two abused opiates, heroin and subutex. Subutex is the most used, and most people snort or IV them. I've only had oxy 40mg twice in ten years. Sometimes we get 100mg dolcontin's, a morhphine depo pill that takes forever to prep for IV, and is still too unsafe to IV IMO.

I started my opiate addiction with snorted temgesic, then turned to IV when one 0,4mg snorted didn't do it anymore. One pill a day became ten, then the subutex hit the market here. 20x 0,4mg= 8mg. My dosages became bigger and cheaper. I was so in love with the relaxing high, that still left me able to work more, help my family out and I felt like superman. I had no problem affording my habit, which was max 8mg IV'ed a day. I could get by with 1,5mg if there was little to be had. Then I had a break, and used codeine and valium to maintain. After many weeks I had fallen in love with the more sedating high of high-dose CWE'ed codeine dosages. So I tried IV morphine, felt great. Sedating, but not too much.

Then I started using heroin, smoking initially, IV after the first week to get more out of it. I loved the rush, and usually nodded hard. I was in a bad spot in life for other reasons, and started taking bigger dosages that would knock me out, then I woke up two-four hours later and started the prepping of a new shot. I almost wanted to OD, I didn't care. I also used a lot of benzos daily, which I still do sadly. I also loved to take somadril before the heroin, nearly killed me once. The heroin habit became insanely expencive, which forced me to do some break ins and other money making small-time crime. Usually on a mix of heroin/speed/roofies to get my nerves and morals blunted.

I am now on methadone maintainance, been for over two years. I have always loved metadone, and they dosed me to the point off nodding off at the end of my start up. This is the way they do it here, so we have noe chance of heroin working on top. I am now on 90mg and feel I should up to 100mg, but then I'd never get scripted benzos so I make do. haven't tried heroin at all after starting the 'done. I have a good life now, except I need to get my benzo usage down to a minimum, I also smoke good hash daily =D

So, I would keep away from the dope, and stay with pharms. They are safer because they contain the right amount of the right drug. I found them to be easier to control and afford. Heroin is not cheap here.....and even if it is your dosage will fly up to costly levels soon enough. IMO heroin is more addictive.

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