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Is freebase DMT scary like salvia?

DMT can be scary in the same way any intense psychedelic can be scary - it can be very intense - but salvia is uniquely terrifying in a way that is very unlike DMT or just about any other drug. In my experience, salvia produces weird and sometimes uncomfortable physical sensation, and the experience itself can have a very foreign, alien, indifferent-to-hostile feel. The fear/anxiety DMT produces is more along the lines of "oh man i don't think i'm ready for this" when you first smoke it and start coming up. Once the effects kick in, I've never found it frightening or anxiety-producing. It feels quite 'clean' on the body and is often very euphoric. Sometimes the 'head rush' on the way up can be a little disorienting, but certainly not painful. The closest analogy I can think of for someone who's tried other psychedelics but not DMT is that, at sub-breakthrough doses, it's like jumping into the peak of the most intense shroom or acid trip of your life, then quickly coming back to baseline. It last just long enough to give you a taste of that 'tripping balls' headspace and intense visual distortions, usually with a healthy dose of euphoria, and you fast forward through the gradual comedown of other psychs. Breakthrough DMT experiences are about as impossible to describe to a DMT virgin as tripping in general to a psychedelic virgin. If you're not ready to take the plunge, though, sub-breakthrough DMT is still wonderful stuff.
 
Salvia is just absolute craziness so dont worry about it being like that, all i suggest is do it indoors on your own with no sounds so it doesnt interrupt you entering hyperspace, vaporize it correctly at 300c which is the hardest part! Then inhale the vapour as deeply as possible then hold it for as long as possible so all of the dmt absorbs into your lungs then i can guarantee you will have an awesome time in hyperspace =)
 
The easiest way I've found to smoke it is with a rose tube stuffed with chore boy. Just keep he flame about an inch away so it don't burn up. I think it works way better than a base pipe.
 
Vaporgenie is defently the best vaporizer on the market for dmt so give that a shot if you want to buy one.
 
Dannygauge said:
Vaporgenie is defently the best vaporizer on the market for dmt so give that a shot if you want to buy one.
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I second that along with a mg scale...then you can find your sweet spot B)

The first time I tried it....reminded me of a high dose lsd peak...and oh boy does it go so well with the mushies...the mushies take much of the pre flight anxiety away for me-love diving right in.....been meaning to stop by my local headshop for some sally but the deems has me very well occupied...not to mention much more pricier than just extracting some deems...per dose that is
 
use a bulb or oil burner.
Here's why I'm too creeped out to be doing that stuff. lol.
I think it's just too strong for me to want to be doing.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/607637-(Deamster-mg)Semi-My-two-tangos
I'd say DMT is more scary than Salvia.
On Salvia I just felt like I was looking at pictures of train rides at Disneyland.
It was kind of funny. Nothing serious at all.

For some reason, MXE takes me further than DMT on a more relaxed note when I figured out how to trigger the hallucinations. I still get the same alien/ancient vibe from the trip too.
 
electric wizard said:
i always feel as if im in ancient egypt when i close my eyes
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HAHA I had the same thing happen to me on a mushroom trip a while back. For me DMT CEV's are more colorful then that though. To answer the question, no DMT is not scary like salvia at alll for me. Im only scared pre-trip, I guess that would just be anxiety though. Once I can feel the DMT working I am totally relaxed and able to enjoy the trip, unlike with salvia.
 
I've never done salvia but salvia works on the kappa opiate receptors where DMT works mainly through 5ht2a / 5ht2c agonism making them completely unrelated and in my personal experience DMT is not even slightly uncomfortable; in fact I find the body high it gives very pleasant, as if it is the most beautiful buzz of them all, the finest most detailed buzz that feels just like what the visuals and auditive hallucinations look and sound like (and they are the most beautiful visuals ever and the most beautiful sound ever).

Ofcourse the trip can be overwhelming, especially breakthrough's are ridiculously intense and completely out of this world. You could be overwhelmed and it might be 'too much' or 'too intense'. To prevent that I'd suggest if you're nervous about it to start with a really low dose, like a treshhold low dose and then work up from there; non-breakthrough doses are comparable to other psychedelics only it lasts very short and the closed eye visuals are typically still more detailed and beautiful then even very high doses of LSD or mushrooms, and a breakthrough goes far beyond that. So yeah start low and work up.

Still I heared from people what their salvia experiences were like and that sounds really nothing like it at all. Salvia sounds cold and evil and DMT is warm, loving and beautiful.
 
I'm seeing all kinds of random aspects of salvia use discussed, almost feel like merging it into the main salvia thread. But I won't so can there be decided on a question or topic?

Regarding the messed up sensations you describe, if you keep getting it simply stop smoking salvia. I wouldn't worry about it immediately in the way Dwayne does, he has a talent for overreacting. Let's remember salvinorins act on weird receptors like kappa opioid receptors and this may bring about dysphoric feelings. I wouldn't exclude pain or other negative reactions as possibilities for this reason.

Of course, improper smoking techniques that cause you to inhale things other than the salvia itself could bring about nasty effects in some range.

Typically people seem to have a harder time getting a positive, worthwhile or integratably 'coherent' experience with salvia than with DMT, this is indeed a trend I've seen. But that is not to say it's not possible with salvia, or that DMT can't be extremely jarring. 5-MeO-DMT can feel like getting smacked over the head with a 10 foot bat and I imagine full doses of DMT can as well though the majority of my DMT experiences have been rewarding. And the negative ones manifested in other ways like a body load like feeling extreme pressure or gravity and especially a feeling of having gone absolutely insane as a result of not having properly prepared for the trip. I have learned from this though and I now know that respect and preparation are essential with these highly intense and short+fast acting psychedelics.
 
dmt starts off scary but then the fear and anxiety vanishes as i feel this loving presence of something godly and alien so weird 8o it massages my soul i literally feel like im having an orgasm in my chest and mind and see all crazy patterns
 
If I meditate about 30-60 minutes on forehand and think about my intentions and have the kinds of thoughts that I know DMT will force in me like: 'what the hell are you doing with your life right now?', then the barrage of visuals and warping dimensions doesn't even overwhelm me. Because despite that beautiful wholesome chaos at the center I feel at peace since I don't worry anymore about the most important things. I trust and I abandon control, fear, desire, all of it.
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In my opinion salvia doesn't even compare to DMT, although I'll admit my salvia experiences are rather limited (3 times with 20x extract).
For me salvia causes little to no visuals, and a bodyload that feels like gravity is being toyed with. The second time I smoked salvia the room actually turned 90 degrees (the floor became the wall, and the wall that'd been in front of me was now the floor). I was clutching the sofa I was lying on with a feeling of falling towards what was now the floor.
DMT on the other hand is one of the greatest things I've ever filled my lungs with. My mind stays crystal clear up to a certain dose (At one point I was taking a break from weed and ended up chainsmoking small doses of DMT, didn't really bother with using a scale. Up to 45mg or so.) with nice visuals, and even at a more mind-blowing level it doesn't get too bad. My strongest DMT experience was a bad one, and really taught me respect for the substance, but it was nowhere near as scary as with salvia (might be due to more experience at the time though).

Even though I don't wanna touch salvia again I know some of my friends consider it quite pleasant. But nowhere near DMT. Everybody LOVES DMT. =D
 
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