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Is buying drugs immoral?

It's the United States government's fault that drugs are illegal. If drugs weren't illegal then they couldn't be used as a source of income for illegal activities. Therefore I'm more angry at the United States for creating a source of income through drug prohibition that is PERFECT for criminal syndicates.

Come to think of it, the CIA has been involved in drug trafficking for decades. So is supporting a government agency immoral?

Cui bono? Who benefits from drug prohibition? Criminals do! So the government should legalize drugs and stop supporting criminals.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
I really have no clue what you are talking about. The pharmaceutical industry has done a lot of good for the world as a whole. They save lives, and if you don't want part of it, don't buy into it.
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I don't disagree. I think that the pharmaceutical industry has done, and will continue to do, a great deal of good for humankind. And this is exactly the reason that I am so angered by the current methods the industry employs to push their products.

Aggressive advertising techniques, ex-cheerleader pharmaceutical reps showing up at doctors offices pushing their titties out and serving sandwiches, pushing stimulant medication to young children, and other questionable activities of this type are what I have a problem with.

Unfortunately, there is little to no chance for competition to arise within the industry, causing it to stagnate into the form of an Oligopoly. Which leaves us with a dilemma; either we accept the pharm industry the way it is, or we "boycott" it and go without vital medication. Which do you think your average person will choose?

I'm not arguing that the presence of the pharm industry is detremental, I'm merely attempting to convey the fact that many of the industry's activities are morally questionable. As the morally questionable activities of less legitimate industries are certainly much more gruesome, I think the difference lies in the fact that being such a large, legitimate industry; the pharm companies have a social responsibility to act in the direction of moral progress, and the fact that they're doing the opposite in many respects shouldn't be tolerated.
 
Buying drugs is in no way immoral unless you feel that the act of owning and using said drugs is immoral. If you feel that it's moral, then it is.

Insofar as the scenarios where the drug trade makes people worse off (the poor coca farmers, the gang violence from the drug trade, etc), that's not because the drug trade exists, it's because the drug trade has been made illegal and turned into a black market. The immorality of using drugs for those reasons is nil to an individual user since it's the governments that prohibit said drugs that cause those problems to arrive through the creation of illicit/black markets, the users are NOT the ones creating those scenarios, the governments are.
Drugs and prostitution have been here since the dawn of time, the forcing of those markets underground does make it much worse for EVERYONE involved, including customers, dealers/prostitutes, and society at large.
 
Unfortunately, there is little to no chance for competition to arise within the industry, causing it to stagnate into the form of an Oligopoly. Which leaves us with a dilemma; either we accept the pharm industry the way it is, or we "boycott" it and go without vital medication. Which do you think your average person will choose?
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This isn't a result of the industry, but rather the government. If you want to avoid this, then we need to change policy in the government. The FDA needs to be shrunk considerably. Government needs to stop taxing businesses as much. Government needs to stop putting so many restrictions on pharmaceutical companies, like the DEA hounding the industry for the exact number of oxycodone pills they may dispense and illegalizing so many alternatives simply because of abuse potential.

The problems with the industry are not the fault of the industry, but because of overregulation. Deregulate the industry, and competition will grow. Oligopoly occurs as firms are threatened by regulation and need to merge together to protect themselves.

Aggressive advertising techniques, ex-cheerleader pharmaceutical reps showing up at doctors offices pushing their titties out and serving sandwiches, pushing stimulant medication to young children, and other questionable activities of this type are what I have a problem with.
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Maybe they are selling drugs which are good, and that should be pushed, and should be sold if only it wasn't for the ignorance of doctors unaware of the new medication? Of course their will be aggressive advertising, but if it isn't a good product it won't last on the market.

the pharm companies have a social responsibility to act in the direction of moral progress, and the fact that they're doing the opposite in many respects shouldn't be tolerated.
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I don't see how they are acting opposite in any respect... The only thing immoral I see is the federal government overregulating an industry that should be free to innovate in a free manner so that consumers can benefit, rather than stagnate in ill health.

Come to think of it, the CIA has been involved in drug trafficking for decades. So is supporting a government agency immoral?
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Not really. We may have supported drug dealers at times if it was for ultimate interests, but we never have outright supported the drug trade. If you are referring to the whole maxine waters "cia sells crack in la to keep blacks poor" this was proven by a significant amount of both government, senate committee, and independent investigation.

Please, can we keep this on the topic of "Where does our drug money go" and "Do you give a shit of where your drug money goes?" If you want to talk about big pharma or CIA operations, just pm me or make a thread in second opinion. While everyone in the world is just dying to hear your opinion on politics, I would please ask you post it somewhere else, and I'll be happy to participate in the conversation if you PM me the link.
 
The immorality of using drugs for those reasons is nil to an individual user since it's the governments that prohibit said drugs that cause those problems to arrive through the creation of illicit/black markets, the users are NOT the ones creating those scenarios, the governments are.
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Doesn't change the situation at all, regardless of who's responsible for making it the way it is. I mean, if you kill someone out of anger, or kill them by accident, it doesn't change the fact that you got a dead body on the ground right.

Anyways, I have temporarily quit using heroin until I can figure out where my money goes.

And to state again:

Please, can we keep this on the topic of "Where does our drug money go" and "Do you give a shit of where your drug money goes?" If you want to talk about big pharma or CIA operations, just pm me or make a thread in second opinion. While everyone in the world is just dying to hear your opinion on politics, I would please ask you post it somewhere else, and I'll be happy to participate in the conversation if you PM me the link.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
Chicpoena, marijuana is only number 1 cash crop if you consider illegal drugs a legitimate cash crop, which I don't think is usually the case. You are referring to a report by a drug legalization advocate. If you have sources by the DEA/USDA, please provide them. Otherwise, marijuana isn't exactly our number one cash crop, and please don't be condescending to me it is extremely insulting. I have been only respectful towards you, I would appreciate the respect to be reciprocated.

Again, I'm tired of the flames and people derailing this thread. I would like only talk about the morality of buying drugs, and not American policy or politics. This discussion is only about where does our drug money go, and if you think it is moral or immoral considering where our money goes.

If someone could honestly tell me who is making money off of, say, cocaine or heroin, I would really appreciate it.

I have recently quit heroin, until I can get an answer on this topic. This is no joke.

If some of you can't understand this question, think of it this way: If you knew that buying drugs would support the election campaign of a politician you hated, would you still buy drugs? If buying drugs in 2000 meant supporting George Bush and ultimately responsible for his win, would you have bought drugs? Now, I'm not trying to contradict myself here, but my point is that someone is benefiting from drug money. I'm posing the question that who is benefiting from the drug money, and if it is moral to buy drugs considering that?

Please do not derail this thread, I have asked for close moderator supervision.
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Have you seen American Gangster? You know that part of the movie where he decides that he needs a more pure product, and decides to go to Vietnam and go to the source, who happen to be a group of Vietkong? That is supporting terrorism, so if bought Heroin during that time, you would directly be supporting terrorism.

It's not as simple as that currently, because there are such a wide span of places where such things are bought and sold. The amount of money that is being contributed on a users, or even a street level dealer's level is so insignificant that it probably wouldnt even account to a fraction of a percent of the total profit going to a particular source. Now if a person moves a large amount of product, then it is time to decide how their actions will affect others, particularly in a third world country.

I'd like to think that if you buy a shirt from Vietnam, Bolivia, Bangladesh, you can effectively say that you are indeed supporting a sweat shop. Now if you buy a couple packs of heroin, you cannot know who you are supporting, past large scale street dealers.
 
wait, in that movie the group is vietcong? LOL, sorry if I'm wrong, but I could've sworn he was getting it from soldiers over there who got it from the vietcong, that's funny if they make it seem like he's dealing with the vc straight up lol.
 
bingalpaws said:
wait, in that movie the group is vietcong? LOL, sorry if I'm wrong, but I could've sworn he was getting it from soldiers over there who got it from the vietcong, that's funny if they make it seem like he's dealing with the vc straight up lol.
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I'll have to watch it really quick, but i'm pretty sure it was the vietkong, just by the uniforms.
 
Anyways, I have temporarily quit using heroin until I can figure out where my money goes.
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With the way money moves, it seems logical you ought to stop buying anything at all.

Like you said, it doesn't matter if the murder is on purpose or an accident.

Here's the murder on purpose:

You give money to a drug dealer for heroin. He makes a buy from his supplier, and his supplier does the same etc, let's say all the way until it makes it to Al-Qaeda who is at the top of the heroin pyramid. I don't know if this is true, but let's just assume it is for the sake of argument.

Here's the murder on accident:

You go to a restaurant and buy a nice meal. At the end of the meal you tip the waiter 10$. He goes and buys heroin with it, and then it goes up to the top of the pyramid again anyway. You didn't directly MEAN for it to, but it did anyway - see what I mean? The money is liquid and it's flowing and it goes everywhere no matter where it starts. By participating in the economy you support countless horrible things whether you want to or not. Things that are probably far worse than Al-Qaeda.
 
buying drugs isnt inherently immoral. If they support terrorism then yes it is immoral. Dont forget that alot of good decent poor farmers count on you buying a product so they can look after their families. I guess you have to take the good with the bad because you never know exactly where your money is going.
 
I cant figrure out why you even started this thread if your just going to get your panties in a bunch when people disagree with you.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
Doesn't change the situation at all, regardless of who's responsible for making it the way it is.
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Yes it does, it changes the situation completely! Whoever is responsible for the situation is at fault. I'd imagine that the vast majority of drug users would PREFER to buy drugs legally. Only criminals and the government prefer drugs to be illegal. The government is responsible for keeping drugs illegal and are therefore directly responsible for whatever consequences arise. So it is not immoral on the part of the drug user, rather it is a crime against humanity for governments create a world situation where only criminals benefit from the sale of drugs.

You are always crying foul when someone has a good argument against your own personal position.
 
There's no way you can seperate the morality of the US government's criminalization and the fact that as such, our money goes to those we don't exactly like.

The insistence that we must is forcing this conversation to take place in an alternate reality. It just doesn't exist in real life. You just can't seperate the two.

It's more than a little moronic to keep suggesting that anyone who realizes this is derailing 'your' thread. If you can't handle a legitimate discussion of the issues, and you find it so 'deeply insulting' you're better off going to your priest where you'll get the answer you're obviously trolling for.
 
chicpoena said:
You are always crying foul when someone has a good argument against your own personal position.
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+5.

If you can't put up a reasonable defense of your position without having to construct a theoretical world where your position is the correct one, you really ought to reconsider your position.
 
center said:
Yes, however this still doesn't change the fact that street drugs are immorally bought.

We're allowed to have nuclear weapons because we've taken initiative and have say in such a matter. Too bad if you don't like it. This is how it is. The world is not supposed to be a comfort zone when it comes to diplomacy related issues.

We control things. We deserve it. If it was meant to be any other way, then it would be as such.

That's why. Who cares if it's immoral -- we have control, and that's how it is.

Also, let's not forget that the pharmaceutical companies are selling the (ACCEPTED MEDICALLY) drugs for the main purpose of treating illness/symptom. It's a tad different from a street dealer who is "banking g's" , "pimpin hos" and generally "having shit on lock, homie" because he's catering to a weakness.

Oh, and don't give me that bullshit about your weed dealer on par morally with pharmaceutical companies. I just thought I'd save whomever would post it the embarassment--- I am near certain atleast one dumbass would refer to their dealer as a 'natural' pharmacist.
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Thats the most ridiculous shit i've heard in a while. We "deserve it?" Surely anyone without an American blindfold can see that the US doesn't "deserve it" any more than any other country. You just come across as an ignorant American.

Born and raised in Florida BTW.
 
Well, some of the proceeds are probably going to the farmers in South America, and I don't think that's immoral at all. I mean, that's a job for some people, just like an insurance agent or Law Enforcement Officer. Except they make people happy, not stealing their money or raping their civil rights. If I knew for a fact that a certain source was giving money to Al-Quada, I'd probably find a different source, if only to avoid being called a traitor and getting my ass shipped out to Gitmo.
 
Ham-milton said:
There's no way you can seperate the morality of the US government's criminalization and the fact that as such, our money goes to those we don't exactly like.

The insistence that we must is forcing this conversation to take place in an alternate reality. It just doesn't exist in real life. You just can't seperate the two.

It's more than a little moronic to keep suggesting that anyone who realizes this is derailing 'your' thread. If you can't handle a legitimate discussion of the issues, and you find it so 'deeply insulting' you're better off going to your priest where you'll get the answer you're obviously trolling for.
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+10

If it makes you feel better about yourself to "boycott" heroin, by all means, be my guest. Personally, I view every drug purchase I make as a contribution to the morally superior side of the drug war.

This is a war that affects ME every day; IMO Al Qaeda poses less of a daily threat to my freedom and way of life than my own government. Pretty sad isn't it?

I hope you don't think I am derailing your thread. This is my opinion on the questions you asked. I refuse to discuss this on the fictional premise that my government is not responsible.
 
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jdizzle said:
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If it makes you feel better about yourself to "boycott" heroin, by all means, be my guest. Personally, I view every drug purchase I make as a contribution to the morally superior side of the drug war.

This is a war that affects ME every day; IMO Al Qaeda poses less of a daily threat to my freedom and way of life than my own government. Pretty sad isn't it?

I hope you don't think I am derailing your thread. This is my opinion on the questions you asked. I refuse to discuss this on the fictional premise that my government is not responsible.
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Alright, I call bullshit. I'm getting tired of you misinformed people bitching about how Al Qaeda are just freedom fighters, fighting our tyrannical govt. Granted you fucks are saying this with a heated house, and full stomaches. See, granted there is much disillusion in the U.S. today, and a lot of injustices, we wont get shot for walking to a fucking church, nor do we run the risk of getting kidnapped, and potentially having our heads cut off. Anyone that says what Al Qaeda does is moral is wrong, plain and simple.

If you are so unsatisfied with what the government is doing why dont you send a message, strap a bomb to your chest, and go send out your message. It's extremely easy to criticize something at the luxury of your PC or laptop, in a comfortable chair.
 
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