Bupe is bupe/sub actual sobriety or just a substitute!?

[Jabberwocky]

seriously, just imagine the "war' on drugs were to end because it became legal in the US! its pretty fucking genius but somehow they do not see this. billions and billions would be made selling these so call bad "pills" out of your everyday type pharmacy.

 

[Mad Dash]

First, Americans will have to open their eyes. We need only look to Europe to find the answer. Instead we are funding our own doom. And Mexico is going to become THE biggest threat to the U.S. in no time at all. They went from a country with no real military to a country with many small para-military factions all battling for supremacy. They only care about money. If you were ISIS and wanted to launch an attack where would you do it from? Canada? Fuck no. But Mexico is practically fucking the real life version of Tatooine.

Edit: when I typed in tatooine to make sure I had the spelling right this came up. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/24/isis-star-wars-tunisia_n_6936188.html what are the fucking odds?!?!

 

[Jabberwocky]

clean is how you live life, not what drugs/scripts you take throughout the day.

 

[jammin83]

I think the difference is that it is a dependency vs an addiction. Bupe is a dependency but not an addiction and you are not living an addictive lifestyle so it is more manageable. If it works for you, keep on keepin on. At some point though it is probably a good idea to get off the blocking stuff because you may actually need pain management at some point in your life. There is always ibogaine for that final kick.

 

[Jabberwocky]

that ibogaine is a true pain in the ass and it not easy by no means!

sure, it works fucking great based on what I read but its not a "quick fix" by no means!

and if the day ever does come where I need pain management then ill be sure to blast through these bupe in no time! ha. only takes me about 12hrs before I am able to break through and feel a little something, ya know!?

 

[VMC75088over]

Ive been taking Oxy's for six years, this was not supposed to happen and it's a long story how it came to be. I can't afford to have the surgery that might, might solve my problem and I can't afford to lose any time at work ever. I'm capped out by my Dr. who due to all the new rules and the spot light being on this stuff is trying to force my into the O/R by making me suffer. I have built up such a tolerance that I take it only to not be sick so I can work 150Mg/day. I'm running out all the time and have no street contacts yet. I'm thinking of making the switch to dope or possibly Suboxone I can take the pain I think. I fear Suboxone won't work and then what, The cat will be out of the bag with my Dr. and no going back to Oxy's. I own a business and can't lose one day away from it, Ive been working seven days a week for the last eight years and it's been tough, "long story". I really fear I'm going to end up dead. I was clean and sober since 1989 before this mess and I don't think I have another recovery in me. People depend on me big time.

I'm screwed totally

 

[Mad Dash]

I have collected some serious pain during my time in the military and they initially started me off on oxy, I knew myself to be an addict so I said something. They tried me on subutex. It has helped immensely with the pain and allowed me to actually function on a day to day basis. I never seem to build a tolerance and it keeps my pain stable. Now remember you wont get the euphoria from it but as far as actually helping to control the pain it does wonders. It sounds to me like you would be WAY better off on subutex b/c you say you only take enough oxy to keep from being sick anyways. So just make the switch and try to stay at the lowest possible dose you can. Good luck brother, stay safe.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ive been taking Oxy's for six years, this was not supposed to happen and it's a long story how it came to be. I can't afford to have the surgery that might, might solve my problem and I can't afford to lose any time at work ever. I'm capped out by my Dr. who due to all the new rules and the spot light being on this stuff is trying to force my into the O/R by making me suffer. I have built up such a tolerance that I take it only to not be sick so I can work 150Mg/day. I'm running out all the time and have no street contacts yet. I'm thinking of making the switch to dope or possibly Suboxone I can take the pain I think. I fear Suboxone won't work and then what, The cat will be out of the bag with my Dr. and no going back to Oxy's. I own a business and can't lose one day away from it, Ive been working seven days a week for the last eight years and it's been tough, "long story". I really fear I'm going to end up dead. I was clean and sober since 1989 before this mess and I don't think I have another recovery in me. People depend on me big time.

I'm screwed totally

kinda lost me here, dude. so are you able to continue getting scripted the 150MG/day? what are you getting scripted? 5 30MG pills a day? or how does that 150MG work throughout the day.

also, are you asking if you should make the switch to bupe? will your Dr. keep scripting you the 150MG/day?

many use bupe as a painkiller. have you ever tried it before? may be 16-24MG/day for the pain.

many people say it maxes out at 16MG but here is MA its legal to script up to 24/MG for bupe and I see many Dr. who write bupe for pain script the full 24/MG.

 

[VMC75088over]

kinda lost me here, dude. so are you able to continue getting scripted the 150MG/day? what are you getting scripted? 5 30MG pills a day? or how does that 150MG work throughout the day.

also, are you asking if you should make the switch to bupe? will your Dr. keep scripting you the 150MG/day?

many use bupe as a painkiller. have you ever tried it before? may be 16-24MG/day for the pain.

many people say it maxes out at 16MG but here is MA its legal to script up to 24/MG for bupe and I see many Dr. who write bupe for pain script the full 24/MG.

I was not being exact. I'm taking 12 15Mg Oxy's a day and it's not enough. I think I could do with less but I get tons of stress at work and some of this is in my head. I take extras and run out one or two days early and end up rationing, it's hell. I'm not a person who can tapper off If I have it I'm taking it, I either smoke cigarettes or I don't, I don't cut down. It's in my head big time I'm not kidding myself a big part of this is obsession and fear of being sick and not being able to work. I will lose everything if I don't keep this going and making money. I have very little help at work and can't afford to hire. like I said it's a long story.

I don't know what bupe is, I was saying I was thinking of scoring Oxy's on the street or switching to Dope when I run out. Craziness hu I don't have a clue how to go to the street.

What is Bupe ? I was also thinking of dumping the oxy's since they don't help the pain much anymore and using Suboxone to get off this shit. I don't know anything about Suboxone either. I just can't be sick, depressed and unable to work every day.

 

[Jabberwocky]

bupe is suboxone; suboxone is known as buprenorphine.

there are no oxy's on the street to score; oxy's are completely dead on the street; you may see a few perc 30's around but even those for for more than $1/MG nowadays. the only thing you will see on the street all over Boston is dope; and since you do not know dope well, I suggest you do not even think about making the switch.

your best bet would be to try and get on the bupe; you'd max at at 24/MG/day but that would be more than enough. many people have used bupe as a pain killer and have had success stories; then again, everybody is different. you may not feel/get high but it may kill the pain. not sure if that is something you'd be after or what.

 

[Mad Dash]

bupe = buprenorphine =suboxone w/ naloxone

 

[VMC75088over]

I'm not interested in getting high, I can't remember the last time I caught anything off the Oxy's. My tolerance is so high I don't know I take them other than I'm not sick. My pain is manageable if an in grown toe nail is killing me and I mean it's a real pain in the ass I don't think the pills are doing much for me. I just can't be sick.

 

[Mad Dash]

I'm not interested in getting high, I can't remember the last time I caught anything off the Oxy's. My tolerance is so high I don't know I take them other than I'm not sick. My pain is manageable if an in grown toe nail is killing me and I mean it's a real pain in the ass I don't think the pills are doing much for me. I just can't be sick.

Then your problem is very easily solved by going on bupe. For real.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Then your problem is very easily solved by going on bupe. For real.

exactly.

very, very easily solved.

 

[Aftrmth]

Thats a great question, could go either way. It could be considered clean, at least from your DOC which is a good thing.

 

[VMC75088over]

Thanks I hope that will be the answer for me, what worries me is if I give it a try and it does not work for me there is no going back. The Dr would love to bounce me off this right now and he would just pull the plug and say suffer through. He's told me coming off the Oxy is not a worry just a few days of being uncomfortable, he has no clue what Wd's are like.

I take three or four 15's, feel normal and go about my work not high, nothing. Will Bupe do the same ? Like I said I just need to feel normal not high. I get nothing out of the Oxy

You guys have given me some hope. I really don't want to go down the street drug road. I don't think I would ever make it back.

 

[Mad Dash]

Thanks I hope that will be the answer for me, what worries me is if I give it a try and it does not work for me there is no going back. The Dr would love to bounce me off this right now and he would just pull the plug and say suffer through. He's told me coming off the Oxy is not a worry just a few days of being uncomfortable, he has no clue what Wd's are like.

I take three or four 15's, feel normal and go about my work not high, nothing. Will Bupe do the same ? Like I said I just need to feel normal not high. I get nothing out of the Oxy

You guys have given me some hope. I really don't want to go down the street drug road. I don't think I would ever make it back.

Here is the thing with bupe, it is not going to really get you high, you might everyone once in a while be able to catch a buzz off it. But the great thing is that once you get stable on it tolerance never goes up, it controls the pain just like most other opiates and you only have to dose it once a day, some people and doctors will say twice a day at first when you are first making the switch but there is a saying with bupe less is more. Because the metabolite norbuprenorphine is only available at doses bellow 3 mg so you definitely want to taper down so you can get to that level. I went from 24 mg a day and dropped to 16 in 2 weeks, then to 8 mg two weeks later. I have been sitting on 8mg right now for a while b/c it gives me a decent feeling throughout the day and keeps the pain away. Also if I were you I would try to go on subutex (generic) and try to find the brand hi-tech/Akorn. They are very small and dissolve very quickly under the tongue. Since you are PM like myself you should be able to get subutex which does not contain the naloxone which I find has severely nasty side-effects. I had daily migranes and horrible stomach pains.

Now the only real trick is you need to be in the first stages of WD to begin sub so do you think you can CT for 24-48 hours? But once you are on it, it will change your life.

 

[Jabberwocky]

since you are going through your Dr., lets hope he is able to script the bupe. if so, like Mad Dash says, try for Subutex; its just a better form of bupe w/o the naloxone, which isnt THAT bad since I am on that type of bupe and still able to get by and feel great daily (I take 12MG/day - coming from 16MG).

at first you may want to dose twice daily - lets say 8MG in the AM and 8MG in the PM; but eventually you will probably get down to dosing once a day. I take the full 12MG in the AM and feel great throughout the day and absolutely fine the following morning as well; it has a long half life so you have no worries about rapid withdrawals.

as far as your first dose - well, EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT! they always says wait till you start to go into WD. I never had to do this; I would shoot dope in the AM and take bupe in the PM or vice versa; everyone is different but that is TOTALLY ON YOU! so you gotta be careful not to take it too early, if and when you are scripted. I would wait AT LEAST 24hrs and see how you feel then and go from there.

we are kinda jumping ahead here anyway; lets see if you get the script and then you can ask the questions.

 

[Jabberwocky]

here is a random question but..

can you even get scripted bupe from a "regular" Dr!? or must you see a bupe specialist?

I never had the pleasure of a Dr. scripting me GOOD pain killers and me having to eventually come of them, so I dont know this situation at all. I always had to go see a specialist when it came to getting a bupe script. The only time my Dr. scripted me "good" drugs is when I was coming off brain surgery and was given 2MG dilaudid and were to take 4 pills daily; man, I fucking RIPPPPPPPPPPED through that script within a few days and told the Dr. I lost it. well, he gave me another and I did the same thing, but maybe 5-7 days. he wrote me one more and that was it! ha. he knew I was a junkie and knew what was happening but still wrote 3 fucking scripts within 2 weeks - wont see that often!

 

[Mad Dash]

here is a random question but..

can you even get scripted bupe from a "regular" Dr!? or must you see a bupe specialist?

I never had the pleasure of a Dr. scripting me GOOD pain killers and me having to eventually come of them, so I dont know this situation at all. I always had to go see a specialist when it came to getting a bupe script. The only time my Dr. scripted me "good" drugs is when I was coming off brain surgery and was given 2MG dilaudid and were to take 4 pills daily; man, I fucking RIPPPPPPPPPPED through that script within a few days and told the Dr. I lost it. well, he gave me another and I did the same thing, but maybe 5-7 days. he wrote me one more and that was it! ha. he knew I was a junkie and knew what was happening but still wrote 3 fucking scripts within 2 weeks - wont see that often!

Mine actually comes from a pain management doctor. He got certified on bupe because he got tired of malpractice lawsuits with idiots doing stupid shit and then blaming him. So now he mainly writes suboxone/zubsolv to patients who are not like cancer patients or severe acute pain, you know the type the people who REALLY need the good shit. But everyone else he keeps stable on bupe. Now I came in and requested to be put on bupe in my eval. He nearly shit himself. Apparently I am the only patient he has that does not yell, scream, say nasty things, act like an obvious junkie because he does not want to write them high doses of oxy.

So when I came in and was a pleasure to work with and actually requested to be on what he wanted to put me on, he gave me carte blanche pretty much. So I get 60/month 8 mg Hi-tech brand bupe (generic subutex) along with 180 25 mg hydroxyzine a month. Since I only usually take 8 mg a day except for the weekends when I take 12 mg. I have a HUGE stockpile of bupe. Which God forbid anything happens I will have a way more than I would need to make the easiest 100% free tapper ever. And he makes my visits so easy I am in and out in like 10 minutes. He loves me lol.

I see some of the people in the lobby and they are all talking to each other about what they should say to get the good stuff and these people are like in their 40s or 50s thinking that EVERY PM doctor is a pill mill. Well this doctor is not he is VERY legit. And he thinks bupe is like the safest opioid on earth. He is so cool with me that he said if I want to I can take my RX to a compound pharmacy and tell them how to make it. When I went they said they could do one of two things: 1) would be a capsule filled with 8 mg pharmaceutical bupe powder with a tiny amount of filler just so the 8 mg doesn't get lost (8 mg in reality is a SPEC of dust) or just give me straight up IV vials to squirt under my tongue. *devious grin*

Only problem is this compund pharmacy is cash only and either option would be over $300 for 30 days worth which I can not afford ATM. So once I start making real money I am going to play around at the compounding pharmacy and figure out my favorite combo which they want to do and said whenever I am financially ready we can begin experimenting. He said he would even work with me to help develop a nasal spray if that is what I wanted!